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[ex3abnemployee]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

[Adam]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

[Adam]

Duane, would you be so kind to answer a question for me, or anyone who knows?

Does the Ezra Christian School, require background checks before someone is employed?

Also, I would be interested in knowing if the Ezra Christian school has taken any safety measure to try to prevent actions as those committed by Tommy from happening again.

That goes for the two churches as well. You would think after something like this they have enacted something.

If not, that is sad.

[ex3abnemployee]

Duane, would you be so kind to answer a question for me, or anyone who knows?

Does the Ezra Christian School, require background checks before someone is employed?

Also, I would be interested in knowing if the Ezra Christian school has taken any safety measure to try to prevent actions as those committed by Tommy from happening again.

That goes for the two churches as well. You would think after something like this they have enacted something.

If not, that is sad.

I honestly don't know. I haven't attended church there in several years.

I do agree with you that all churches should require background checks for anyone, paid or volunteer, who will be working with children in any capacity. It's sad that it has become necessary, but such are the times we live in.

[ex3abnemployee]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

There were definitely problems in the past at Ezra; however, they were mostly managerial problems and had nothing to do with the curriculum or quality of education.

[Adam]

Thanks, Duane.


I will end this dialogue by saying this:

As an outsider who does not have first hand knowledge on anything. Except what I have been told. I would be appauled if in fact neither churches have enacted some sort of safety measure.

I also would be curious to know if the Three Angels Broadcasting Network has any of their own as well.  My understanding is that they haven't in the past.

Things like this happen due to putting trust behind an individual as is evident in this situation. In the world we live in today, trust is not enough. This situation proves that 100%. Agree or disagree that is fact.

I believe it would be worth investigating if any of these organizations have taken any steps to prevent future occurences. That goes for both of the churches, as well as 3ABN.

[ex3abnemployee]

Thanks, Duane.


I will end this dialogue by saying this:

As an outsider who does not have first hand knowledge on anything. Except what I have been told. I would be appauled if in fact neither churches have enacted some sort of safety measure.

I also would be curious to know if the Three Angels Broadcasting Network has any of their own as well.  My understanding is that they haven't in the past.

Things like this happen due to putting trust behind an individual as is evident in this situation. In the world we live in today, trust is not enough. This situation proves that 100%. Agree or disagree that is fact.

I believe it would be worth investigating if any of these organizations have taken any steps to prevent future occurences. That goes for both of the churches, as well as 3ABN.

I totally agree. As I said, it's a shame that it's even necessary, but we simply can't afford to NOT do background checks anymore.

I do know that Ezra school has increased safety measures as far as being able to enter the building, but I also would be interested to know if they are doing background checks. I may do a little snooping.

[Sister]

In the case of Tommy Shelton and 3ABN, the person who hired him knew his problem. When Tommy worked with the children on Kid's Time, Danny knew the potential harm that could occur to one or more of the children. He did not inform the parents, he allowed his brother to be in a position where he could become a predator. Why?

[Adam]

In the case of Tommy Shelton and 3ABN, the person who hired him knew his problem. When Tommy worked with the children on Kid's Time, Danny knew the potential harm that could occur to one or more of the children. He did not inform the parents, he allowed his brother to be in a position where he could become a predator. Why?

Good Question. Danny knew exactly what his brother was capable of. He didn't care. Nothing will convince me otherwise. Danny gave Tommy easy access to children, whether or not Tommy did anything or not, who knows.

In reply to Pat Williams responce earlier to a similar question he stated, "there have been no complaints filed at 3ABN." Maybe so, but who says there won't be later down the road? I have a hard time believing they watched him like a hawk as Pat claims.

It is my understanding that the church in VA, (who knew and admit that) about the allegations also did things to watch him. We seen how well that worked out.

Who knows....If Tommy does end up going to trial, and is convicted his brother belongs in the pen with him.

As is pointed out many times here their theme is "Mending broken people." However, they put children in a position where they could have very easily been broken by one man. That theme is a sham, plain and simple!! It is sad that so many people are so blind to realize what is actually going on over there in Thompsonville. Lies and deception.

Matthew 24:

4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man DECEIVE you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall DECEIVE many.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall DECEIVE many.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall DECEIVE the very elect.

Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches DECEIVE the hearts of the simple.

1 Corinthians 15:33
Be not DECEIVED: evil communications corrupt good manners.

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, DECEIVING, and being deceived.

[Johann]

The argument about no complaints or convictions demonstrates the greatest amount of incapacity to comprehend reality we experience in these discussions. . .

[Johann]

Let me add to this that just yesterday I was talking to a 25 year old mother on the phone - and I got her permission to tell her story.

She remembers vividly her 5th birthday. Her mother was taking care of a handicapped young man at his place and he and his friend wanted to be in on the birthday celebration. While her mother went shopping the little girl stayed with the young men. A security guard happened to come by and he reported to the police. Because the 5 year old girl refused to tell the police what had happened the case was dropped. Neither would she tell anyone else at that time.

Weeks later the 5 year old girl was riding in a car with her grandparents. She was playing with her doll on the back seat, talking to the doll as if the men where doing to the doll what they had done to her. Her grandmother gently joined her game and that got the girl to tell everything - only to the doll.

That was the only time she was willing to say what happened.

Now she has a 4 year old daughter herself whom she wants to protect. She does have a vivid memory of how these young men used baby oil on herself . . . and she is launching a campaign against ignorant people who exhibit their stupidity with claims that nobody was apprehended. She is writing a master piece.

[Bob Pickle]

In reply to Pat Williams responce earlier to a similar question he stated, "there have been no complaints filed at 3ABN." Maybe so, but who says there won't be later down the road?

On the other hand, what encouragement has 3ABN given to folks to file such complaints with 3ABN?

The 2003 letter Dryden sent Walt earned Dryden a nasty, reprehensible letter from Attorney Mike Riva, threatening to sue him. Gailon and I contacted 3ABN Board members about our concerns, and we got sued. Ervin Thomsen, Kathy Bottomley, and Trenton and Oriana Frost filed complaints with 3ABN about Leonard Westphal and got fired for their trouble after Mollie Steenson's sham investigation. I've heard that others have been treated the same way.

So why would anyone file a complaint with 3ABN?

To be fair to Pat, I think that in this thread he didn't say "at 3ABN."

[tinka]

The argument about no complaints or convictions demonstrates the greatest amount of incapacity to comprehend reality we experience in these discussions. . .

Incapacity.....I would be surprised if DS had any college or advanced education. It appears in his course of speaking he doesn't. I believe if your teaching, preaching, a higher education is a must. Maybe one can be good at reading, math, and spelling and teach it but the people skills is what comes into play and very important that college can swift out the unstable.  My daughter had to write a whole paper on all different situations of how problems would be handled and it was page after page of all different scenarios before she got her point 4 graduation certificate for teaching.   Other situations like this is where things can happen when unstable people just think what they can do and think they are called of God and think they know it all --to deliever their uneducated want ta bes self made positons and then use there most inner desires of overbearing, overpowering, with their lack of knowledge that they don't even comprehend that when they take on those position. Then when there are higher level of educated people  that they are preaching or teaching to it is quite boring or noticeable or even embarrassing for them from the audience. But whats is so obvious is that they don't even comprehend that. That is what started and turned me off on DS. His manner of speaking and acting. He could not even remember that the ole stories was ooooooooold.

Yes, and that is another great problem is the comprehension of some posters to put facts together and acknowledge what is happening for real. Even sometimes I have to go back and reread word for word in right context. But to the protectors of this maze it goes right over their head. One can only blieve there minds are sealed with the same evil or their "gliched"...unstable and lack of college education and self made want a bes.
 

[ex3abnemployee]

The argument about no complaints or convictions demonstrates the greatest amount of incapacity to comprehend reality we experience in these discussions. . .

Incapacity.....I would be surprised if DS had any college or advanced education. It appears in his course of speaking he doesn't. I believe if your teaching, preaching, a higher education is a must. Maybe one can be good at reading, math, and spelling and teach it but the people skills is what comes into play and very important that college can swift out the unstable.

Hmmm...that's twice now I've been told I should not be a minister.

[GrandmaNettie]

Hmmm...that's twice now I've been told I should not be a minister.

For what it's worth, Duane... If God calls you He doesn't ask to see your credentials.  You can simply remind any SDA who feels differently that one of the founders of their org, Ellen Gould White, didn't even graduate from elementary school.