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Author Topic: BREAKING NEWS - Tommy Shelton pleads guilty, faces possible prison time  (Read 80334 times)

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Let not your heart be troubled, Adam. Consider this to be a classroom called "Understanding Cult Followers 101." Rather than just reading theoretical material, you are priviledged to see some real live specimens and observe their behaviours. You are acquiring a practical understanding of them.
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That ended up backfiring on him when some of us did just that. Deal with it.How did that backfire, when your only contact has been Brad. Did you know that Brad was willing to put away his own flesh and blood, when accusations was made against  one of his own brothers? He flew out from D.C. to have him institutionalized. But when it comes to his father in law- he is adamantly in his defense.  Not to mention Brad's own affair with an (unamed) 3ABN employee. Seems to me that cheating on spouces runs thick in the Shelton air!!!!

Did his mistress' first name begin with "T"?
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Yes, in fact it did.
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Yes, in fact it did.


I believe I heard about that situation when I was there.  Seems to me she was the impetus for 3ABN disallowing mixed gender travel on road trips...

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No matter how much you attack Alex, Tommy still plead guilty.

Yes, he did Duane! I acknowledge that. I admit you are right! Tommy plead guilty. Is that good?  Does that make you feel better? I am not even trying to deny it, ok?

BUT, all of that isn't a "trump card", my post weren't about Tommy's plea. which I disagree with btw, (but it was also not my choice... so I have to move past it.) You should try that and try and deal with what's said also, instead of trying to say replies here are about something other than what they are about. Just an idea... which you are free to ignore. :)
This isn't about me feeling better or even being right. My point is that it's over, so why are you people still attacking a victim?
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Adam, in order for a cult to develop there have to be a number of factors present, but it starts with just two factors that are each in themselves incredibly complex compounds: a leader, and followers. They develop and subsist off a mutually symbiotic relationship. Together they form a fascinating new compound that we refer to as "the cult." What makes this grouping so different and fascinating is that it is based entirely upon a system of mental/behavioural disorders that inter-relate to form an uneasy structure that sustains and grows each of the various disorders. If you ever go into the arena of behavioural health, the specimens you observe here could provide you valuable lab experience in a case study upon which you could build your dissertation. It is not often that one gets to interact with, and observe so closely the behaviours and traits of the specimens in a study on cults. And one seldom finds such a cornucopia of varied, yet inter-related disorders.
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You're right, they aren't worth anyones time or effort!

I will say this though.... Documentation WILL show that Brad Walker indeed did call Alex Walker, and appologize to him. Brad further stated that he felt guilty about what happened to Alex, that he felt like he was to blame because Alex was left in his care.


It will also show that Brad said "I have never left my son alone with Tommy, nor would I ever."

Who would say such a thing if in fact Brad truely believes his father-in-law is innocent !!!

Try Getting out of that Brad!!

Now, Brad seems to have forgotten that conversation maybe because Brad is married to a shelton (when hes not with a mistress.) and it IS a Shelton who signs his paycheck!!  Go figure.....
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If one is studying entomology, they will get bitten by the occassional specimen in the spider cage. The scholar doesn't take it personal, its just the study subject engaging in its natural behaviours. Again, turn it into a study and. You will be surprised at how interesting these participants become. You will find yourself flowcharting their patterns and finding predictable traits that allow you to forsee behaviours before they are exhibited.
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If one is studying entomology, they will get bitten by the occassional specimen in the spider cage. The scholar doesn't take it personal, its just the study subject engaging in its natural behaviours. Again, turn it into a study and. You will be surprised at how interesting these participants become. You will find yourself flowcharting their patterns and finding predictable traits that allow you to forsee behaviours before they are exhibited.


Such as the sharing of sexual partners or inbreeding?
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Yes, in fact it did.

I believe I heard about that situation when I was there.  Seems to me she was the impetus for 3ABN disallowing mixed gender travel on road trips...

You really heard about it when you were there? That would be a bit weird.

So Linda gets axed and divorced because she talked too long on the telephone to a physician in a foreign country when Walt Thompson told her not to, but staff at 3ABN talk about Brad having an affair with "T" and neither Brad nor "T" get fired?

Sounds like when I got an email from an irate woman who was irate that another "T" had had an affair with her husband, that "T"'s own first cousin. When I tried to confirm the story with someone who worked at 3ABN at the time of the alleged incident, he/she knew exactly who I was talking about and said, "You could tell there was something going on between those two." To date I have yet to hear that either Shelton got in trouble for their alleged incestuous affair.

But back to Brad and his apparent attempts to tamper with a witness, his own moral difficulties, his apparent defense of pedophile Tommy Shelton, has anyone bothered to ask Brad if Tommy ever molested him in his younger years?

I'm not saying that Brad is a victim, because Tommy certainly didn't victimize every last boy around Ezra. (One I talked with said he knew Tommy was grooming him but it never went further than that.) I'm only asking whether anyone has ever asked Brad if he was ever victimized himself. If not, was he ever groomed?

A follow-up question if Brad says no could be, what would happen to your job if you said yes?
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Prosecutors accept pleas all the time to "clear the docket". It is unfortunate that the judicial process now boils down to finding ways to "clear the docket", but it is a way of life in a very busy criminal court system. And for the record, less than 5% of cases indicted actually go to trial. The vast majority are negotiated away before noon time on the day of charge in exchange for a fee known as fines and a lesser plea that limits the impact or accountability of the perpetrator.

However, lets discuss this "civil suit" that SAM is so quick to dismiss!!!! Let me make you aware that early in the investigation on Dun Loring, we encountered the insurer of the Dun Loring Church of God and I recall that it is the insurer for the Church of God  - Anderson synod. The implications should be clear given Anderson's prior actions in Southern Illinois. Let it suffice to say, the insurer is aware of the liability and has already reserved for the potential loss. It will be big and it will be shared with other defenders. Just how these defendants relate to 3ABN and its directorate remains to be seen...after all, 3ABN and its directors clearly had plenty of opportunity to address this issue at least on two occasions and failed to do so...and directors and officers at 3ABN do have substantial assets. Much to SAM's chagrin, a connecton can be made legally, particularly in the process of attempting to subvert the prosecution of this case by several 3ABN players!!! Yes, SAM, we have been watching!!! And collecting information!!! And passing it on...can you imagine that???

I must assume 3ABN also have liability coverage, if for nothing more than directors and officers legal liability. If not, then there could be a bunch of new legal fess to deal with.

In any event, SAM, your efforts to pooh-pooh the potential for recovery are, as usual, ludicrous and you should find a new career!!!! Your analysis is not worthy of much more than a waste of reading time...and so riddled with blatant errors it borders on the felonious!!! A light weight way of putting it is "FACTUALLY CHALLENGED" and should we give it honors...SUMMA CUM LOUDER!!! But then, ignorance is known to be Bliss.

SAM, Keep your head in the sand so we can kick you in the derriere!!!

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I believe you are confused or have been mislead.  This isn't about sentencing. The judge will decide if he  wants to accept the plea bargain or move for trial. Should he decide to accept the plea bargain, then he may or may not proceed to sentencing. So much has been made of the guilty plea which is ludicrous considering that 80% of all cases end in a plea bargain with one condition being, that the accused plead guilty. Many prosecutors will not even offer a plea bargain unless the accused pleads guilty. It is a technicality of the law, not an admission of guilt. There are innocent people all over this country who have pled guilty to crimes they didn't commit because of their circumstances. IMO TS had many reasons to go along with that plea. He and his wife sold their Kentucky home to pay for a defense. They are tapped out financially and therefore cannot pay for 2 long drawn out trials. Some may say they could have gotten a loan but how do you do that when you are both only drawing social security? 2 other big factors are his age and his health situation, not to mention having to stay somewhere or with someone in Va all of these months.

All the talk about civil suits (which are always about money) are pipe dreams with the Sheltons financial situation. As the old saying goes "you can't get blood out of a turnip". Translated that means you can't get money where there is none. Not too many attorney's are going to take a case where you go after someone that has already been wiped out financially.

Let us use some common sense here. The prosecutor would never have offered a plea with no jail time if she had confidence in her cases. Here you have 2 cases that are at least, 15 years old. You have no witnesses.

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The plea bargain speaks for itself as  Prosecutors don't offer pleas with no jail time in these types of cases unless they are fairly certain they can't win. Again, the technicality of a guilty plea means nothing.

As far as GM's comments about the judge looking into TS's background, that is another technicality that means they check to see if he has any prior criminal record. In actuality that should take about 2 minutes on the computer. In the court system it takes 2 months.


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Gailon, does it sound to you like "Sam" might have a personal financial interest in a possible civil suit? He/she certainly seems to be interested in downplaying it.
Prosecutors accept pleas all the time to "clear the docket". It is unfortunate that the judicial process now boils down to finding ways to "clear the docket", but it is a way of life in a very busy criminal court system. And for the record, less than 5% of cases indicted actually go to trial. The vast majority are negotiated away before noon time on the day of charge in exchange for a fee known as fines and a lesser plea that limits the impact or accountability of the perpetrator.

However, lets discuss this "civil suit" that SAM is so quick to dismiss!!!! Let me make you aware that early in the investigation on Dun Loring, we encountered the insurer of the Dun Loring Church of God and I recall that it is the insurer for the Church of God  - Anderson synod. The implications should be clear given Anderson's prior actions in Southern Illinois. Let it suffice to say, the insurer is aware of the liability and has already reserved for the potential loss. It will be big and it will be shared with other defenders. Just how these defendants relate to 3ABN and its directorate remains to be seen...after all, 3ABN and its directors clearly had plenty of opportunity to address this issue at least on two occasions and failed to do so...and directors and officers at 3ABN do have substantial assets. Much to SAM's chagrin, a connecton can be made legally, particularly in the process of attempting to subvert the prosecution of this case by several 3ABN players!!! Yes, SAM, we have been watching!!! And collecting information!!! And passing it on...can you imagine that???

I must assume 3ABN also have liability coverage, if for nothing more than directors and officers legal liability. If not, then there could be a bunch of new legal fess to deal with.

In any event, SAM, your efforts to pooh-pooh the potential for recovery are, as usual, ludicrous and you should find a new career!!!! Your analysis is not worthy of much more than a waste of reading time...and so riddled with blatant errors it borders on the felonious!!! A light weight way of putting it is "FACTUALLY CHALLENGED" and should we give it honors...SUMMA CUM LOUDER!!! But then, ignorance is known to be Bliss.

SAM, Keep your head in the sand so we can kick you in the derriere!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
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I believe you are confused or have been mislead.  This isn't about sentencing. The judge will decide if he  wants to accept the plea bargain or move for trial. Should he decide to accept the plea bargain, then he may or may not proceed to sentencing. So much has been made of the guilty plea which is ludicrous considering that 80% of all cases end in a plea bargain with one condition being, that the accused plead guilty. Many prosecutors will not even offer a plea bargain unless the accused pleads guilty. It is a technicality of the law, not an admission of guilt. There are innocent people all over this country who have pled guilty to crimes they didn't commit because of their circumstances. IMO TS had many reasons to go along with that plea. He and his wife sold their Kentucky home to pay for a defense. They are tapped out financially and therefore cannot pay for 2 long drawn out trials. Some may say they could have gotten a loan but how do you do that when you are both only drawing social security? 2 other big factors are his age and his health situation, not to mention having to stay somewhere or with someone in Va all of these months.

All the talk about civil suits (which are always about money) are pipe dreams with the Sheltons financial situation. As the old saying goes "you can't get blood out of a turnip". Translated that means you can't get money where there is none. Not too many attorney's are going to take a case where you go after someone that has already been wiped out financially.

Let us use some common sense here. The prosecutor would never have offered a plea with no jail time if she had confidence in her cases. Here you have 2 cases that are at least, 15 years old. You have no witnesses.

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The plea bargain speaks for itself as  Prosecutors don't offer pleas with no jail time in these types of cases unless they are fairly certain they can't win. Again, the technicality of a guilty plea means nothing.

As far as GM's comments about the judge looking into TS's background, that is another technicality that means they check to see if he has any prior criminal record. In actuality that should take about 2 minutes on the computer. In the court system it takes 2 months.


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Here is link to see what other sex offenders are pulling for time and just think of the mug shot of TS joining in these spots. I believe there is just too much observance of what comes out of courts for sex offenders. The judge knows what he well be doing I think. If he doesn't his neck will probably be on the line thru the media. That is why you have seen Bill O on fox go after the judges when these offenders don't give the time of "change of clothes" for these sickos.

   http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/sex-offender/   
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Adam, Alex told people to call his mom. He told me how to. I never called her, but it is not true that nobody talked to her. I know two people who did and that is why I never had to call. I think it is fair to say you did not talk to her though because of what you are writing. I hope I can say that here because it is what I know now. I was feeling bad about all the things I heard and trying to figure out if I should write anything here. It is sad when people lie and it is sad what people do. I feel bad also that Alex said to find out and that that people can't say what they heard now. I don't know all about Tommy Shelton or the victims, but I do know something is wrong when people don't allow people to answer or start attacking them when they do. That is the thing that makes me believe those people are maybe the ones lying because they don't want to hear anything but what they say. Just because people don't want to hear about what another person believes doesn't mean people should answer them by making accusations about them. I think that is wrong no matter who does it. Jesus didn't do that. He answered what was being said by the bad people. He never acted like them when they were mean to him and said bad or mean things about him, but he always did tell them and everybody the truth even if they didn't like it and thought it was mean. You were nice to me before but I don't think you are being nice to other people in your posts and it makes me feel bad. I am sorry to say this but I have to because I don't think people are acting right. Even when we are right we have to say it nicely. :console:

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

Alex has never came on here and said that his mother was going to testify on his behalf, actually it's quite the opposite. Lie #1.

Brad Walker (Alex’s brother) also stated, "Alex is lying again, I have never talked with any lawyer nor had anything documented from my conversation with Alex"
No, Alex is not lying he did indeed have his conversation documented by a local attorney. Brad called him four days after Tommy was arrested. Alex waited until Brad left a voice meassage, then went up to his local attorney and had it put on speaker phone. That conversation was documented!

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That's funny because Alex hardly has ANY contact with his family. He may see them two or three times a year. The only ones he communicates with his parents and grandma. Again, another lie.

Of course Alex's mother was going to testify against him. I have talked to one family member myself (not Alex) who told me that his mother was told that Brad and Valerie had talked about moving. Alex's mother was afraid if she did not testify Brad and Valerie would move to Mississippi along with Tommy and Carol. Again, Alex never said his mother was going to testify against him. You are a liar. It was clearly stated just because a witness is called for the defense does not mean they would not help the prosecution!!!

I would like to see your proof, to your nasty allegations, if you can't prove them then shut up.







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This was sent to me. I can't find where it is posted here. I think it might be somewhere else because it's talking about this forum.. It is good though, to be reminded of this no matter what you believe about all of this. No matter whos side we are on, because we all need to be on Jesus' side. If we follow Jesus, we need to show people that by acting like Jesus. I think we can all know that this is the right thing to do, and to try and remember even when we get mad, or don't like what somebody else says or does. That is really the most important time to remember this, and to ask Jesus to help us because that is the time it is easiest to forget and say things without thinking or praying about it first. :)

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There has been much said about the character of 3ABN's attackers, and we know that the only thing we take from this earth to heaven is, our character. We also know that God requires that that character be a reflection of Him and we know that "God is love."

In the New Testament Christ explained the Ten Commandments in the simplest terms: The first part gives us a definition of the visual expression of our love for God. The second part gives us a definition of the visual expression of our love for our fellow man. Christ said, the law is explained simply, Love God with all your heart, love your fellow man exactly the way you desire to be loved. The latter of those admonitions can only be accomplished if we truly love the maker and His Father the way the former admonition defines.

The way we treat others tells the world what we think of God. There have been actions on both sides of this ledger that have shown the world that even those who profess to be followers of God, are filled with the spirit of sin - selfishness. This post, is one (if not, the) most egregious example of this behavior.

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I suggest that Duane, Roger, Greg, Alex, Brad, and the rest take the press release at face value and contact Samantha and offer to share their testimonies. Whether or not there is time in the program to share their testimonies, they certainly could mingle with the folks who came and talk with them. If news reporters show up, they could talk with them.

    It probably isn't too late to get T-shirts made up for the occasion. You guys would know better than me what to put on them if such an idea is appropriate. ("I Survived Pastoral Abuse" on one side, and Tommy's mug shot behind bars on the other?)



RJP has justified his actions over time by claiming he is "called by God" to publicly expose the sins of his brothers in the Christian faith. He has defended his actions in such a way that he ranks sin on his own, self-designed scale of "wrongness." His sins are not as egregious as others or they justify his claim that he is "exposing sin." But, we know that Christ said, if you want to know how much a Christian loves their God you will see it in two ways: How they love God and How they love their fellow human beings. There are no qualifications, in either category. God doesn't say, "Only love those that are as good or better than you are." In the New Testament it is defined even more clearly, "Even as you have done it unto the least of these, you have done it unto Me."

If Christ stands in our steed in the courts of heaven and God sees only His atoning blood when He looks at each one of us, how can we do any less? In the post above by RJP, has he remembered his own fallen, sinful nature and remembered that he is unworthy to stand in his own defense in the heavenly court when he treats a Christian brother this way? Does RJP have a hidden desire to stand "pro-se" before the God of the Universe? It doesn't matter if Tommy Shelton is guilty as accused, not for one second. Any sin Tommy has committed is no different than any sin Robert Jude Pickle has committed. Sin is selfishness, every single iteration of sin is an act of selfishness and none is worse than any other.

It is clear that the personal degradation that RJP suggests be heaped on Tommy is contrary to the Biblical principle of, "Love God paramount, and love each other exactly as you desire to be loved." Does RJP want the Heavenly Father to love him the way he is loving Tommy? Or the way he is loving Danny, or even Linda, who he claims to defend? Is that the type of love that we experience from our Creator? Would you continue to be a Christian if you thought, for one minute, that God treated people the way RJP treats people? Would you want to align yourself with a God who "loved" you the way RJP is loving his fellow man?

I know what his argument would be, that he exposing sin, he is defending the name of God. Is he? Is this the God you read about in Scripture? In the 8th chapter of John we see how Christ would answer those questions. A women whose sins others had deemed "worse" than their own had been accosted, manhandled, and forced to stand before Christ. Proudly the Pharisees announced her sins before all the onlookers and Jesus. Their desire was not to help restore this woman the image of her Maker - it was to trap Christ and embarrass Him. It was a blatant attempt to cast the Savior as malcontent, as a liar, as a fraud. It was an act of selfishness on the part of those professed faithful believers in God. They wanted blood, the woman's blood, because in it they would be able to justify their own transgressions and the way in which they had misled the faithful. They would also claim the woman's blood was on Jesus' hands; and that His acknowledgment gave them the right to continue to lead the faithful astray.

Jesus, silently, bent down and wrote in the sand. One can argue that the Scriptures don't tell us what was written in the sand - but the reality of the situation is obvious when He stands up and says, "The sinless one among you, go first: Throw the stone." (The Message Bible). The above direct quote from RJP indicates that he would have wound up and delivered his stone. Is that the Christianity you want to espouse? Not me. I am glad that my Savior loves sinners and will stand with them hand-in-hand as they struggle to step out of their sinful nature and be remade in His image. The truth is, I don't love RJP the way I should. I find his methods disgusting and vile. I find his hatred of other people to violate everything I read in scripture . . . and in the end, I get on my knees and ask the One Being who knows how to love someone like that to help me love them the same way.

Duane, Roger, Greg, Alex, I ask you, "Is this the type of Christianity, the RJP type, the one you want to espouse?" Or, do you want to exhibit the same love the Savior did when he told the woman accused, "Woman, where are they? Does no one condemn you? [ ] Neither do I. Go your way. From now on, don't sin." Maybe the Christ at the well would be a better example than the incitation from RJP? Jesus did not expose the woman's sins to anyone, in front of anyone, did not embarrass her, did not seek to ridicule or marginalize her. Instead he filled her life with purpose and meaning. Jesus left her knowing that, even though her life had not been a mirror of the Savior - it could be, if she walked with Him. Do you see yourselves better than Tommy? If you followed the suggestions of RJP you would be placing yourself in the shoes of the Deceiver, who seeks to present us to the world and God as worthless, undeserving of God's love. Do you want that role or do you want to share the love that God graciously affords you, the grace that God provides you - though you don't deserve it?"
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