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[Adam]

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

Alex has never came on here and said that his mother was going to testify on his behalf, actually it's quite the opposite. Lie #1.

Brad Walker (Alex’s brother) also stated, "Alex is lying again, I have never talked with any lawyer nor had anything documented from my conversation with Alex"
No, Alex is not lying he did indeed have his conversation documented by a local attorney. Brad called him four days after Tommy was arrested. Alex waited until Brad left a voice meassage, then went up to his local attorney and had it put on speaker phone. That conversation was documented!

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That's funny because Alex hardly has ANY contact with his family. He may see them two or three times a year. The only ones he communicates with his parents and grandma. Again, another lie.

Of course Alex's mother was going to testify against him. I have talked to one family member myself (not Alex) who told me that his mother was told that Brad and Valerie had talked about moving. Alex's mother was afraid if she did not testify Brad and Valerie would move to Mississippi along with Tommy and Carol. Again, Alex never said his mother was going to testify against him. You are a liar. It was clearly stated just because a witness is called for the defense does not mean they would not help the prosecution!!!

I would like to see your proof, to your nasty allegations, if you can't prove them then shut up.







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[ex3abnemployee]

One thing you're forgetting. Tommy has already pleaded guilty. He has admitted that he is a child molestor. What part of that don't you comprehend?

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[Adam]

Appears someone needs to learn how to read or quit fabricating the truth.

Posted by Johann:
90   Issues & Concerns Category / 3ABN / Re: Tom Pavlinic's cases  on: June 13, 2010, 06:30:32 AM  
It is interesting that Tom Pavlinic has subpoenaed the victim's mother to testify.

It appears as if the prosecution welcomes this move since it is expected to backfire on Tommy Shelton.

It also appears that the prosecution will welcome the appearance of other relatives who seem willing to testify.vIt might become an interesting case.

Posted by me: The prosecutor was not at all worried about losing as no they did not have many witness, but they felt that the defense was calling people who would be beneficial to them. So why should they waste their money, when Tommy was bringing them anyway? Just because they are subpoenaed by the defense does not mean they would not help the prosecution!!!!

Never once has Alex told me that his mother was going to testify on his behalf. Never has that even been mentioned. So, you again are a liar!

Alex's mother has never once stated that she did not believe him either. Again, you are a liar. She has said continuously "that she was not there."

I also find it odd that YOU people are the ones who brough her in the middle of it. Knowing full well that Alex's dad has many physical conditions. Now, his mother is also having test run on her to see if she has severe medical problems, too. You people are the ones who brough Alex's mother into this. So, don't try to turn the tables. It shows you will stoop to any level to get what you want.

So quit trying to cause family turmoil, there is enough without you adding your two cents.

Again, prove your nasty allegations, or shut up!

[Bob Pickle]

Anyone know what the employees at 3ABN thought about Tommy pleading guilty on Monday? How did the 3ABN administration break the sad news to all the workers?

[Gregory]

Why would 3-ABN take any formal notice of TS's plea?

I would immagine that 3-ABN would believe that his plea was personally related to Danny Shelton and family members and not related to 3-ABN.

Why?  Did not TS plead guilty to charges not related in any way to 3-ABN?

NOTE:  I am just speculating as to how 3-ABN might have reacted.  Who knows, only someone associated with 3-ABN.  I am just thinking out loud.

[Murcielago]

Alex,

What you are enduring is nothing new, it is classic. A cursory study of cults and the behaviours of cult members will show that this is just what they do. As one reads the histories of the Jim Jones and David Koresh cults, you see precisely the same thing that is happening with you. When a person orpersons represents a threat to the cult or its leader, one of the first thngs they will do is try to divide that person from their family and friends. They also thry to use division of family as a means of proving to the public that this person is an untrustworthy individual. You may recall that Jones forced some of his followers to cede custody of their children to him as a payment for letting them leave the cult. when they left, and said anything negative, he said, "Look, they gave me custody of their children. If things were as bad as they say, would they do that? Obviously they are messed up."

These cult followers are trying to do the same thing to you and your family. They are no different than Jim Jones or David Koresh and the followers who did the same thing that these people are trying to do to you. Honestly, in this case, I think that the followers have gone far beyond the person they think they are following. I really don't think that Danny is anything near as unbalanced as these people are. In many ways Danny has shown himself to be a far more balanced and respectable person than that. I sometimes think that he is being badly misrepresented by some of these weird cult people posting here.

[SDAminister]

Why would 3-ABN take any formal notice of TS's plea?

I would immagine that 3-ABN would believe that his plea was personally related to Danny Shelton and family members and not related to 3-ABN.

Why?  Did not TS plead guilty to charges not related in any way to 3-ABN?

NOTE:  I am just speculating as to how 3-ABN might have reacted.  Who knows, only someone associated with 3-ABN.  I am just thinking out loud.

Let's imagine that Bill Gates of Microsoft has a brother named Dave who also works at Microsoft where he is in charge of Programming. While he works at Microsoft he is accused of being a sexual deviant: adultery, sodomy, pedophilia, gay sex etc. He then leaves his employment and is later convicted in a court of law of being a sexual deviant.

Can you imagine the scrambling at the Legal Dept. in Redmond?
-Did Dave use his high position within the company to gain sexual favors from employees, their families, or Microsoft clients?
-Did Dave commit felonies on company property or using company resources?
-Did Dave spread any STD's to company employees affecting their health/productivity to include even long-term hospitalization and/or death?
-Did Dave's blood relationship with the company founder (the world's richest man with connections in law, govt., business, society, et al) enable him to commit these crimes with impunity?
-What is our potential exposure to a PR meltdown which could affect stock price, competitiveness, and future projects?

This is why 3ABN would take formal notice of Tommy's plea.
SDAminister

[Gregory]

Could be.  Who knows?

[Nosir Myzing]

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

Alex has never came on here and said that his mother was going to testify on his behalf, actually it's quite the opposite. Lie #1.

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You all implied and said that even though the defense was calling her to testify against Alex that this would work to help Alex, and you are continuing to claim that the prosecutor would use the witnesses against Alex to help him. That I believe, is impossible considering their testimony,and the fact that those there from his family don't believe him. Your claims appear to be no more than wishful thinking or misplaced trust, regardless you are promoting false witness (a lie).

See the deal was that the first thing which was posted in rebuttal to your ( as in Johann, alex, and you etc) claims was that a mother would not testify against a son unless she knew he was lying, so alex, decided to challenge posters here to contact his family. In fact, I'm sure he actually said to pm him about how to do so,

That ended up backfiring on him when some of us did just that. Deal with it.

I would like to see your proof, to your nasty allegations, if you can't prove them then shut up.

That's rather rude. This forum, and you, apparently don't want to hear the response from Alex's family, or to have that made known, but that doesn't change anything, Adam.

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ADMIN HAT ON

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ADMIN HAT OFF

[Nosir Myzing]

Let's imagine you crossed a Pharisee with Barney Fife, and a Inquisitor with George Jefferson, and then bred those two together.. what would we get? Let's imagine he called himself "sdaminister"  and mostly posted during the Sabbath hours.. Would we still recognize, "Bob Pickle"?

Why would 3-ABN take any formal notice of TS's plea?

I would immagine that 3-ABN would believe that his plea was personally related to Danny Shelton and family members and not related to 3-ABN.

Why?  Did not TS plead guilty to charges not related in any way to 3-ABN?

NOTE:  I am just speculating as to how 3-ABN might have reacted.  Who knows, only someone associated with 3-ABN.  I am just thinking out loud.

Let's imagine that Bill Gates of Microsoft has a brother named Dave who also works at Microsoft where he is in charge of Programming. While he works at Microsoft he is accused of being a sexual deviant: adultery, sodomy, pedophilia, gay sex etc. He then leaves his employment and is later convicted in a court of law of being a sexual deviant.

Can you imagine the scrambling at the Legal Dept. in Redmond?
-Did Dave use his high position within the company to gain sexual favors from employees, their families, or Microsoft clients?
-Did Dave commit felonies on company property or using company resources?
-Did Dave spread any STD's to company employees affecting their health/productivity to include even long-term hospitalization and/or death?
-Did Dave's blood relationship with the company founder (the world's richest man with connections in law, govt., business, society, et al) enable him to commit these crimes with impunity?
-What is our potential exposure to a PR meltdown which could affect stock price, competitiveness, and future projects?

This is why 3ABN would take formal notice of Tommy's plea.
SDAminister

The problem with all the what ifs, here is that they samck of desperation. Our Ecclesiastical Investigators, Pickle and Joy, looked high and low, and diligently questioned all, but could find nothing worth reporting, not even by their standards...

[ex3abnemployee]

No matter how much you attack Alex, Tommy still plead guilty.

[tinka]

Jamie.bomber, Well, well, what great explosive mouth we got here? A barnyard   bully kicking his heels high in every direction like he ate loco weed .  to bad the    can't tell the difference in loco weed or wild cherries leaves.  Kills em everytime.

[Nosir Myzing]

No matter how much you attack Alex, Tommy still plead guilty.

Yes, he did Duane! I acknowledge that. I admit you are right! Tommy plead guilty. Is that good?  Does that make you feel better? I am not even trying to deny it, ok?

BUT, all of that isn't a "trump card", my post weren't about Tommy's plea. which I disagree with btw, (but it was also not my choice... so I have to move past it.) You should try that and try and deal with what's said also, instead of trying to say replies here are about something other than what they are about. Just an idea... which you are free to ignore.

[Snoopy]

Alex,

What you are enduring is nothing new, it is classic. A cursory study of cults and the behaviours of cult members will show that this is just what they do. As one reads the histories of the Jim Jones and David Koresh cults, you see precisely the same thing that is happening with you. When a person orpersons represents a threat to the cult or its leader, one of the first thngs they will do is try to divide that person from their family and friends. They also thry to use division of family as a means of proving to the public that this person is an untrustworthy individual. You may recall that Jones forced some of his followers to cede custody of their children to him as a payment for letting them leave the cult. when they left, and said anything negative, he said, "Look, they gave me custody of their children. If things were as bad as they say, would they do that? Obviously they are messed up."

These cult followers are trying to do the same thing to you and your family. They are no different than Jim Jones or David Koresh and the followers who did the same thing that these people are trying to do to you. Honestly, in this case, I think that the followers have gone far beyond the person they think they are following. I really don't think that Danny is anything near as unbalanced as these people are. In many ways Danny has shown himself to be a far more balanced and respectable person than that. I sometimes think that he is being badly misrepresented by some of these weird cult people posting here.

They are just being good cult people...     

[Adam]

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

Alex has never came on here and said that his mother was going to testify on his behalf, actually it's quite the opposite. Lie #1.

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You all implied and said that even though the defense was calling her to testify against Alex that this would work to help Alex, and you are continuing to claim that the prosecutor would use the witnesses against Alex to help him. That I believe, is impossible considering their testimony,and the fact that those there from his family don't believe him. Your claims appear to be no more than wishful thinking or misplaced trust, regardless you are promoting false witness (a lie).That's funny, because Alex's mother states that YOU have not contacted her. Trust me all of this is going to be mailed to her, so she can decide how to handle it.

See the deal was that the first thing which was posted in rebuttal to your ( as in Johann, alex, and you etc) claims was that a mother would not testify against a son unless she knew he was lying, so alex, decided to challenge posters here to contact his family. In fact, I'm sure he actually said to pm him about how to do so,But did you contact Alex's mother, no you didn't.

That ended up backfiring on him when some of us did just that. Deal with it.How did that backfire, when your only contact has been Brad. Did you know that Brad was willing to put away his own flesh and blood, when accusations was made against  one of his own brothers? He flew out from D.C. to have him institutionalized. But when it comes to his father in law- he is adamantly in his defense.  Not to mention Brad's own affair with an (unamed) 3ABN employee. Seems to me that cheating on spouces runs thick in the Shelton air!!!!

I would like to see your proof, to your nasty allegations, if you can't prove them then shut up.

That's rather rude. This forum, and you, apparently don't want to hear the response from Alex's family, or to have that made known, but that doesn't change anything, Adam. Do you know what is rude, the fact that you are using Alex's ailing parents to attack him. WITHOUT their consent, BTW.

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Yeah, getting your information from "Sam" cough Brad. Yeah, That's really fair and balanced.

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