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SDAminister

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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #270 on: July 23, 2010, 08:42:42 PM »

And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce. SO much for being "annointed of the Lord"!!! DId he not read his Bible? This, the purported writer of "Ten Commandments Twice Removed"? Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

And now he gets "non-compete" funding!!! Good grief, cannot think of any reason anyone would have a problem of Danny Lee Shelton competing with anyone.!!! He has a hard time finding good counsel!!! Let alone deserving a non-compete "love gift"!!! And now Gilley is doing books with him. Is it worth investigating???

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"For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors." No Sir Mizing.

Regarding sleeping with someone other than your spouse, which Danny defines as sin he says this in his booklet "The Forgotten Commandment" published in 2001:
Page 12: "In the same sense, we are committing spiritual adultery by willfully breaking God's fourth commandment and keeping another day that has not been instituted or sanctified or made holy by God."
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #271 on: July 24, 2010, 09:55:33 PM »

Pardon me for just rolling in laughter at that diagnosis...PASSIVE Repression is more likely
the problem...I have yet to find an aggressive bone in her body!!! If I could find such a
spot, it would have been long since pushed for assertion!!!

Again, perhaps Mr. Gregory could enlighten us, here. He probably has known and dealt
with her passive personality the longest.

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OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #272 on: July 25, 2010, 06:08:01 AM »

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"For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors." No Sir Mizing.

Regarding sleeping with someone other than your spouse, which Danny defines as sin he says this in his booklet "The Forgotten Commandment" published in 2001:
Page 12: "In the same sense, we are committing spiritual adultery by willfully breaking God's fourth commandment and keeping another day that has not been instituted or sanctified or made holy by God."

So you see that Danny Shelton used the term Spiritual Adultery long before they went for counseling in Kansas City. But often DS has put his own words into the mouth of someone else. Nosir should know this. DS never claimed in any e-mail he wrote to me that the term had originated with those counselors, nor has that been documented elsewhere, as far as I know.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #273 on: July 25, 2010, 02:39:34 PM »

GJ, Passive/agressives are rarely "agressive".  Hence adding the "passive".  In fact, the phrase is meant to describe the very subtleness of their actions.  A lot of  the time, they seem as if they are dong very little almost inactive, while dropping the equivalent of nuclear bombs into another life.  Theirs is the kind of behavior that one will see the results, and most will argue that they have done nothing.  Extremely subtle and often directed toward one person and or group.  The targeted person/group, are generally the only ones who can identify the agressive behavior, but often have a difficult time explaining it to those outside of the situation.  They are pretty crafty, I have one in my famil who is pretty good at it.  LOL!!


Pardon me for just rolling in laughter at that diagnosis...PASSIVE Repression is more likely
the problem...I have yet to find an aggressive bone in her body!!! If I could find such a
spot, it would have been long since pushed for assertion!!!

Again, perhaps Mr. Gregory could enlighten us, here. He probably has known and dealt
with her passive personality the longest.

Gailon Arthur Joy
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OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #274 on: July 27, 2010, 06:13:47 PM »

The Dream
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As Linda expressed it later, “Part of the reason I fell in love with Dan was because I felt he would protect me.” Instead of being protected Linda was enmeshed in the midst of a controlling, co-dependent relationship. Truth or falsehood, ethically right or morally wrong? The distinction was irrelevant, as long as Danny remained in control. Although Linda lived a life of relative luxury, especially when compared to the average worker employed in the ministry, in exchange for material comfort she had forfeited the following: the freedom to make her own decisions, the opportunity to develop her own friendships, and the ability to maintain a healthy self-image and to perceive herself and her life realistically. Although Linda had developed the ability  to interact with people publically and had overcome much of the public shyness of earlier years, she still lived life under Danny’s thumb, subject to his control. Danny knew Linda’s weakness for the finer things of life and exploited it. What Linda perceived as tokens of Danny’s love were in fact his private method of payment to her for his defilement of their marriage vows and served as absolution for his transgressions. He paid the price and that entitled him to live his life as he pleased, unbound from any obligation to Linda.




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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #275 on: July 29, 2010, 03:48:41 PM »

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Feeling unequipped to help her husband, but believing in the mercy of God to free him from his mental illness, Linda turned in faith to the Great Physician. Laying her concerns for Danny at the foot of the Cross, Linda prayed for the restoration of their relationship and for the spiritual and psychological healing of her husband. She claimed the assurances of the Bible on behalf of Danny, her husband, the only man she loved. She begged God to open His great storehouse of mercy and that Danny would humble himself and be restored in a right relationship with Christ. But deep in her heart an uneasy feeling began to grow. What if  rather than suffering from a mental illness, Danny could be plotting his final betrayal of her? Although this thought came into her mind she did not want to consider it further.

Linda had always been completely faithful to Danny and had never allowed herself to be placed in a position where her martial fidelity could be called into question. She knew that even the appearance of evil could bring dishonor  upon her Lord. In her early twenties she had experienced the pain that infidelity brings to a marriage through the unfaithfulness of her first husband. She loved Danny too much to even entertain the thought of another man in her life, she could never put Danny through the excruciatingly painful ordeal she had experienced. Moreover, she would never allow herself to bring that shame upon her Lord or disgrace the ministry He had given them.







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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #276 on: July 30, 2010, 07:06:13 PM »

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The hours of verbal harassment were beginning to take their toll upon Linda. She looked up at Danny and it was as if a stranger stood before her, not her beloved husband. She looked into those cold and menacing eyes as he continued accusing her of the greatest possible betrayal of their marriage vows and she was truly afraid of him. The same questions kept pounding in her head over and over again, “WHY?” “How could anyone possibly believe that I could be capable of this horrible sin against God and my husband?” “I have everything a Christian woman could want: a husband I love, the opportunity to minister to millions of people about the tremendous love of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the ministry that we spent so many years building together.” “How could they believe I would do anything to jeopardize the ministry the Lord has given us?”

Suddenly, in the midst of this turmoil, it was as if the universe itself stood still for an instant, and a memory from long ago struggled forth and broke open upon the surface of her mind: THE DREAM. She had not forgotten it, it had never lost it sense of importance, but its relevance had seemed so removed from her daily life. As a child it had frightened her to such a degree, it was just as vivid today as it was when she was six. But why had it been brought to her remembrance now, in the midst of what would become the greatest upheaval of her life? The answer was there before her eyes, the dream had been intended as a warning, a preparation for what she was now experiencing. Later Linda would realize the full significance of the dream and it’s application to her experiences. “In the dream I was in a room with people that I knew and trusted, suddenly it was as if they turned upon me in the most unexplainable manner. As I looked at them, in amazement I saw the tab of a zipper on the forehead of each one. Pulling on the tabs, their bodies came away, like a snake sheds it’s skin, only more quickly and out from each of them jumped a ravenous wolf. Where I had once been surrounded with love and support, I was now being encircled by enemies seeking my destruction,” Linda recalled.




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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #277 on: July 31, 2010, 09:48:41 PM »

Unzipping people that reveal evil monsters..is pretty creepy....

Thanks for sharing......
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #278 on: August 02, 2010, 09:06:14 PM »

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Uncovering her face, Linda looked directly into the eyes of her husband. Then her gaze lifted to take in the countenance of John Lomacang. Searching their expressions intently, she attempts to understand the condemnation she sees directed toward her, with no basis in fact to support their reaction.  For a brief instant she no longer sees the faces of those whom she believed loved and supported her, but instead her mind focuses on a familiar image from childhood nightmares, the telltale shadows of the hidden tabs near their foreheads and the strange fire in the eyes of her accusers. Pacing between Linda and John Lomacang, Danny has the gait of a wolf stalking its prey, circling among the sheep waiting for the opportunity to move in for the kill. Shaking her head Linda tries to dismiss these strange images and clear her thoughts, but the truth is becoming too obvious to ignore.



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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #279 on: August 03, 2010, 04:16:28 AM »

Sister,
These are very vivid moments of the meeting and how it went down, It seems that at that moment is her realization that she had been caged by something not normal, evil and it had opened her eyes to a "fatal attraction".  How horrible. What I cannot understand is that, could she not see or want to believe all that came into her distaste or wonderment?

When you stand back and look at it from an outsider, the facts now show something wrong in every direction of that family. Why was TS allowed, why was Melody allowed (she was portraying herself as Christian singer all the while living other lifestyle), why was Tammy allowed and above all the treatment of LS son allowed and then Alyssa account of trauma. Then the final tale of putting LS out of the intimate room to share.   Why did all the other singers, musicians and other talent start to disappear, and the lifestyle be so extravagant with no results of Action on LS part quickly to protect her assets? other then the fact she also was overpowered, and the same tactics used by older brother on his victims? This would prove the meekness of LS or her true "Sanctification" of belief of the way of Jesus. If her spirit was different then I think she may have acted in self defense but she did not do that and I feel that was a mistake legally and possibly caused by the story of empowerment is correct.  These are horrible traits that show publicly of DS actions. Why could she not have went to someone of good standing of the church other then her environment of Ill.  It seemed to be a "providence "awakening for LS at the meeting if she failed to acknowledge all the above. I would say that the dreams LS had must have been dual application for at least one of them earlier as a child had to be caused by some sort of young trauma and then applied again in later life that came back as she states to you. Of course I am very glad that someone as your self can get the other side of the story direct.  It needs to be told as the other side is obvious by the "horrific actions" enabled by "money power". I think LS was given many warnings. Was it her disbelief of anything so bad? After all she also suspected other women. I am not downing her as I feel very sorry for what she went through. No one is perfect but she had to stop and smell what was brewing with demontic efforts of bringing down also her work. She should have early went for help to protect her part and along the way gave DS a couple of bangs on the head. But she didn't as I do beleive she was afraid of him and then that is another item to put with the rest.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #280 on: August 03, 2010, 03:04:51 PM »


Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

What a distorted picture of reality this Pat Williams is giving here - like so much else that comes from that source. S/he has no idea what s/he is talking about.

The friendship between Linda and Irmgard started when we were all in Sweden, Linda, Danny, Tommy, Irmgard, and I. So often these distorters of truth are trying to give the impression like there is no way of communication across the Atlantic ocean, as if we still lived in the past.

Several months before Dr. Arild Abrahamsen came to see us at Thompsonville - in the United States of America, so on the same continent - this close friendship was established, and through that friendship we discovered how her husband was closing one avenue after another for Linda, just as if he was preparing to divorce her.

Pat is utterly untrustworthy by making statements about things s/he has no idea. There is no use making statements about things you know nothing about, just to distort and spin things and give a completely wrong impression. That does not serve the cause of TRUTH!
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« Reply #281 on: August 03, 2010, 03:22:25 PM »

What a distorted picture of reality this Pat Williams is giving here - like so much else that comes from that source.

At least Pat's no longer "3ABN_Defender" and thus is less likely to make 3ABN look bad.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #282 on: August 03, 2010, 03:24:45 PM »

It would be interesting to know who those people were. If she was not at work due to being banned from the premises unless escorted, who was interacting with her on the job? Was she even going to church during that time, and interacting with the people there? Who was spending time with her at her home? Who are these witnesses? Were they Danny's family members, his employees, members of his corp administration, his board members, people with programs on his network, people with books to sell on his network, people contracted to his network, family members to any of the above...?


Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #283 on: August 03, 2010, 03:45:11 PM »



Linda lived all her life in the U.S. Johann, as that is the case she had or should have had many friends here... She should have been able to get help here, so your post here causes questions.

You wrote:"When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason."

What reason? and how do you know she had reason? And when was this, Johann? And you drove Linda to the airport? Why, where were she and you at? As you live in differnt parts of the world this is strange to me and new and causes questions.

This Pat Williams treats us all like we were babies who have never learned anything in grade school, who know nothing about the world, world travels or communication.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #284 on: August 03, 2010, 04:00:23 PM »

Pat Willimas also fails to realize I am not bound to stay quiet. I speak for myself and no one else. Pat's new name is "Queen Gossiper."
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