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Johann

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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2010, 08:05:41 AM »

Johann, next time you're in the area please get in touch. I would love to meet you in person.

You never know. I know that you have heard of the Wright brothers and their invention which  makes it possible for people to get together. The way some people have argued around here it seems like they never heard of aviation and how it has been possible for me to get all the way from Iceland to Springfield. I can tell you from my own experience that the small airport at Springfield Illinois is quite nice. I have also been to the airport at Marion a few times, but I do not know when the next time will be. So we sing

"The Lord be with you till we meet again. . ."
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« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2010, 09:01:22 AM »

OK?!!!  She is seemingly way too passive about things that effect her life.  But then again I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here, also, but always too little too late.


Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.
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« Reply #257 on: July 20, 2010, 09:22:07 AM »

How can you imagine that we'd reveal to you what Linda does or doesn't do? We have learned that the hard way. On one occasion I sent a member  of BSDA whom I trusted a PM where I revealed to him that Linda would be gone for a convention for a few days. That member lost his head - somehing some people do occasionally - and revealed to all that Linda would not be home on certain days.

Someone read that and broke into her home when he knew she could not be home.

What would happen if we reveal just what kind of measures Linda is making against these attacks? Ceertainly the "criminal" would circumvent it and attempt something else.

Appreciate all the good advise, but we are not telling you all, not even on a PM, all that she is doing. That would be very foolish, to say the least.

OK?!!!  She is seemingly way too passive about things that effect her life.  But then again I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here, also, but always too little too late.


Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.
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« Reply #258 on: July 20, 2010, 09:34:23 AM »

OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
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« Reply #259 on: July 20, 2010, 02:12:24 PM »

I  am not asking exactly what Linda is doing, because there are spies on this site, I would just like to know that she is doing something positive to fight back against DS and that she is no longer being a victim.
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« Reply #260 on: July 20, 2010, 04:16:36 PM »

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Subtly at first, than more overtly over the years, Danny’s control over Linda grew. Like many emotionally abused women, Linda did not realize the extent to which her instinct to recognize danger became corrupted. This isn’t meant to imply there were not good times between them, but is that enough to justify a life lived under the control of another human being? Even life under a seemingly benign dictatorship, is still a violation of an individuals autonomy and their God given right of liberty. In the best scenario it is a violation of their humanity, but when the puppeteer pulling the strings is using his power to manipulate the reality of a person’s self worth and to allow the perpetrator the freedom to violate the foundation of their relationship it becomes immoral, unethical and in time it may become criminal.


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« Reply #261 on: July 20, 2010, 05:12:09 PM »

I understand how easily it is to become a victim. When I was growing up, my father taught me to become an independent woman, needing no MAN. When I went to work, I was independent, sure of myself and who I was. When I married, I believed that the man was the head of the household, second only to God. What I did not know, was that the man I married had control issues. Slowly, but surely, he took control of all of my life and his verbal abuse caused me, to become a shell of the woman I had been. It took years, before I was able to believe that I was worth while again and I am still fighting for this control and sometimes it's a daily battle. He is finally going to counseling and has learned within the last 6 months how controling he has been in the 37 years of our marriage. 
Abuse is Abuse- so I know it takes time to no longer be a victim. That's why I wanted to know that Linda was doing something positive, that's all.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #262 on: July 21, 2010, 03:56:16 AM »

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In the meantime, I  did find this already, and Johann's "story" refers to all 3 things which I stated were his only first person accounts, and the rest which he got from Linda. I will wait for a further reply from you before posting more, ok?
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This letter was sent to the owner of the BSDA forum, and he subsequently published it.

Dear Calvin,

I have become aware that your site published Johann Thorvaldsson's article about "The Story of Linda Shelton."

Since I am mentioned in that article, I thought you might be interested in publishing a response to correct the misinformation given about my involvement.

If you need to call me, my # is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Thank you.
Kay Kuzma

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To those who may question my involvement with 3ABN and the circumstances which led up to Linda Shelton leaving 3ABN:

Yes, I was involved in what happened at 3ABN concerning Linda however the internet article in which you read about my involvement titled "The Story of Linda Shelton" by Johann Thorvaldsson, is saturated with the writer's biased personal perceptions and has very little to do with what actually happened. I was there – I know.

Rather than address each falsehood, which would be too time consuming, I will simply address the three major errors concerning me:

Here is what was printed about me: "Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to help Linda manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is behind this upheaval?"

Here is what actually happened:

1) I was not brought in early – in fact, I was brought in during the last six weeks after Danny and Linda had been in months of counseling with professionals – with Linda still refusing to follow what the counselors suggested, i.e., unanimously the counselors told her that she would have to give up her relationship with the doctor in Norway who she was spending up to six hours each day talking with.

2) I was not brought in to help Linda "manage" after she was fired – she was never fired. The committee I was on (and later the Board) repeatedly gave her opportunity to talk with them trying to bring resolution and restoration to both her ministry at 3ABN and her marriage. She refused at every point. There was never discussion concerning "firing" Linda when I became involved – only a discussion on how to help her. There was such a concern for Linda's reputation that the entire Board was not initially notified about the situation until it became an absolute necessity to do so. I was on a small committee of two Board members, the 3ABN attorney, and myself. The small committee's discussion centered on how to save Linda for ministry. Linda talked to me one time and refused any further contact I tried to make with her.

3) I was NOT asked by 3ABN to interview staff concerning Linda. Linda, herself, asked me to talk with the staff. She even gave me the specific names of the people she wanted me to talk with. The results from the interviews with the employees Linda suggested weren't flattering to her. When I tried to get back with her, she refused to answer my calls.

The overwhelming error in Mr. Thorvaldsson's account of the events surrounding Linda Shelton's departure from 3ABN gives witness to the fact that his observation was from many thousands of miles away and only receiving his information from the two involved in the duplicity.

Hopefully it has become apparent to you, as I pointed out the error contained in these three lines alone, that this entire article is full of misinformation. If you would like specific answers to any other point, I'll be happy to share. God is good and truth will prevail even though there are those who are trying to stir up controversy.

I believe the most important thing to understand is that eventually the fruit of a person's decisions will become evident. Although I will not comment further about what happened to lead up to Linda's departure from 3ABN, we know that the other man had been to the States and spent time with Linda before she left Danny, and that immediately after she left Danny, the other man was with Linda. A few weeks later they spent time traveling together through Europe.

Please remember, 3ABN is not Danny or Linda's ministry – it is God's, and every day we all see incredible miracles as God is moving

His ministry forward. It's been a very difficult time – as we all love Linda and recognize how much God used her in her role as co-host with Danny. God truly gifted her with the ability to write beautiful songs that have been a tremendous blessing to thousands.

Thanks for remembering 3ABN in your prayers – and thanks for not sharing Mr. Thorvaldsson's article with anyone else – since I know you don't want to be a part of spreading misinformation.

Sincerely,
Kay Kuzma

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Dear ....

Thank you for your e mail sharing your frustrations with 3ABN. It is understandable that you may feel frustrated regarding the breakup of Danny and Linda. You are not alone. Had the devil sought a more effective place to point his fatal arrow, he could not have found one. He aimed at its heart, and made a direct hit. However, like the promise in Genesis 3:15, though 3ABN has been wounded, it has risen again, and stronger than ever. Praise the Lord.

Let me summarize some of the events as viewed from my perspective during the past couple years. Perhaps it will allow you to view things a bit differently.

Though we have attempted to keep the leaders of the church attuned to what has been transpiring at 3ABN, we have not said much publicly for Linda's sake. We all still care about Linda, and know she must be hurting terribly.

A little more than two years ago a live television program aired on 3abn from Green Bay, Wisconsin. During that program Linda told of meeting a special person that had changed her life. She did not give the name or the sex of that person, but we later learned that he was listening in Norway. A few months earlier, a doctor visited 3ABN from Norway. He found out about Linda's son being hooked on drugs and told Linda that if he would come to his place in Norway for a month, he would be cured. Arrangements were made and Nathan went there in Feb. 04. While there Linda and one of her closest friends went to visit and spent 3 days with them. During this time Linda and the doctor struck up a relationship that her friend became very concerned about, and eventually came to the place where she decided she needed to speak out. I have heard that testimony. I will not describe it in detail, but it was described as much more than the usual doctor - client relationship. One of the things was that Linda had made arrangements to meet the doctor in Norway to spend 10 days with him touring the pretty places in the country during the following June.

In early March Danny called me. He was very distraught as he told me what Linda was doing. I immediately traveled to 3abn to find out for myself, and for the next two to three months was there for a few days almost every week. During this time I and a small committee of the board had a number of sessions with Linda, encouraging her to break off the relationship that was ruining her home and putting a serious strain on the ministry. Pastor John L. was one of the first to counsel Linda. >From the start, before meeting with Danny and Linda together he warned Linda that what she was doing was wrong, and must stop. He then spent hours counseling the two of them together. I am not sure how many other sessions were had. When I arrived, I arranged for Pastor John, Linda and Danny and I to meet together. We met, talked and prayed. Both Danny and Linda were anointed, and committed to God to do what was right. Linda promised us to cut off the relationship. Not long (I don't remember the length of time, but probably less than an hour) she was secretly on the phone to Norway with the doctor again. We had other sessions with her where she reluctantly made similar agreements, but usually said she was not going to give him up until she was sure Danny would stop interfering in her affairs - as if it was Danny's fault they were having trouble. On one occasion I was able to get the doctor on the phone. I begged him to break of the relationship. He told me he would not. We arranged for Danny and Linda to visit a marriage counselor couple out of state. They were not Adventist, but devout Christians of another faith. They were chosen so that Linda could not claim that they were biased, if Adventist. Danny and Linda spent eight hours with the counselors. They were the one's who told Linda she was committing "spiritual adultery" and that it was wrong and must be stopped at once. She made excuses, said she was doing nothing wrong. They warned her that the way she was going it would soon become physical.

Our committee of the board invited a lady friend of Linda's to sit with us, thinking that, being a woman, she would be able to make Linda comfortable. As soon as she heard Linda's story, she confided to Linda that she was wrong, and needed to correct the problem. Linda requested her to query some of the 3ABN leadership to hear their views. she did this, only to find that Linda used the negative feedback she received as evidence she was not a friend to her cause. Linda would not talk to her again - the same as she had done to the friend that went with her to Norway.

Meanwhile, all during this time, Linda was spending long hours on the phone with the doctor on international calls using phone cards, credit cards, etc. We have records of those cards and can verify the amount of time spent. Some calls were overheard by Danny when she did not know he was around. Whereas she says that she was discussing her son, the calls were, in fact not about her son, but were very personal. Arrangements were made, and tickets purchased to meet him in Florida. (We have evidence such a meeting did indeed take place) When that was discovered, they planned to meet in Las Vegas, and New York. And as you might expect, Danny was by this time checking things out pretty carefully. One night she came home all cheery. While she and Danny were getting ready for bed, she left to do something else (I have forgotten what). While out, Danny found a sack of things in the closet. Upon opening it, he found a pregnancy test kit. (He is "fixed" so he cannot have more children.) When she found out that he had discovered it, she was at first angry because he had "snooped" in her things, and then told him she had just purchased it to see his reaction. We also have evidence that the doctor had given her an expensive wristwatch. [ http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/actual-watch-pictures.html ]

While this was going on, Linda refusing to give up the doctor, and Danny not willing to live with a third party disrupting things, they began talking divorce. Linda's mother lived in Las Vegas (I think) and Linda began making plans to move there long enough to gain residency status and then was going to get a divorce. Discovering the possibility of getting a divorce through Guan, they jointly agreed. Danny was driven by several factors. One, she was not about to be faithful to him. She was running up huge credit card debts on joint accounts making him responsible for paying them off, and he was concerned about 3ABN and the effect the situation was causing on the ministry. It simply could not continue the way things were going. Though I and the board did not get involved in the marriage, we were very much concerned about the ministry.

All the while, this was taking a real toll on the ministry. Work was not getting done. The employees were pulled in both directions. Finally, I sent Linda a registered letter (she was not answering my e mails or phone calls). In it I told her that we were offering to send her away for counseling to a place and with people mutually acceptable. I told her that if she would not accept our offer and find help to get rid of the doctor, we would have to consider removing her from her positions. She did not respond to my letter.

At camp meeting time (the end of May), we also had a board meeting. On Friday night of camp meeting, the doctor and Johann (our European representative before this all developed) came and sat in the back row. Danny was very uncomfortable with them there, fearful they would make a scene on international television. He asked us to ask them to leave. They refused. They walked out just as the meeting was ending. I and some other people went out after them. When we got outside, Johann grabbed me by the shirt and started to shake me in anger. When other bigger people came to my support, he calmed down, and we all talked together for a half hour or so - I am not sure of the total time. In the meantime, Mark Finley spoke with the doctor. I joined them for a few minutes. While I was with Mark and the doctor, something was said that upset Johann, and he and the doctor left, angry and fast, spinning dirt as they left. Because they had begun to hand out papers of a proposed article they were planning to submit to the local newspaper discrediting 3ABN, we warned them not to come back.

The next day, Sabbath, we got hold of Johann by phone and he agreed to meet with us at a park and talk things out. The doctor was also invited, but he said he had said all he had to say the night before, and refused to come. We spent an hour or two with Johann, going over all of the events until then. Finally, I took him to the hotel where they were staying. We sat in the car and talked for some time. At that time he confessed to me that maybe he was wrong in supporting Linda. We had prayer and parted. The three of them left and returned to Springfield shortly after that.

Linda did not come to the board meeting on Sunday morning. She sent a letter instead. The board considered her letter carefully in light of all that had gone on, and unanimously agreed that she could no longer serve the ministry under these conditions, nor continue to serve on the board. (We have since been accused of refusing to let the doctor and Johann represent her at the board. No such request was ever made, either by voice or by pen.)

Linda did go to Norway for her ten-day vacation with the doctor in June. We know that. There have been many other trips back and forth by both of them since.

Linda said on her web site recently that I had told Johann a year before that I had never accused her of adultery. She was correctly quoting a portion of my statement to Johann, but what she did not bother to say is that I was defending 3ABN against an accusation that we had fired her for adultery. I was merely telling him that it was for defiance of her board that she was let go, not because of adultery, an accusation, it is true, I never stated. As you can see from the few things I have included here, we have had ample evidence to suggest adultery, but it is true, we have not seen the two of them in bed together.

Our position on the board all through this process was to take the high road and not to tell things like this to the public, attempting to protect Linda from even more hurt that she was doing to herself. In all of our public statements, we have tried to be discrete. To protect the ministry from a public confrontation, we also gave Linda a good settlement with the agreement that she would not bad mouth 3ABN. And while she has partially fulfilled her obligation, her "friends" have kept the pot boiling - contrary to her agreement.

She wrote on her web site in March that they were not divorced, that the Guam divorce was being contested. It is interesting to know that this was posted on the web site after (or about the time that) the judge's decision had been made in favor of Danny. It is also interesting that the only reason she filed suit against Danny was to get more money from him than they had agreed upon originally. One might wonder why she would file for a new divorce if it had been Danny that had insisted on it in the first place as she alleges!

Sometime fairly early on during this experience, Linda began to accuse Danny of abusing her. She told people she was afraid to stay home with him for fear he would take his gun and hurt her. On a number of occasions during their discussions she would go off in a huff to stay with her daughter in Springfield (two hours away). On at least one of those occasions, I was on the phone with Danny when she was preparing to leave, and I heard nothing suggesting abuse of any kind. I will admit that at first, Danny was "in her face" an awfully lot trying to get her to stop talking with the doctor. This stopped after their visit with the counselors. We believe that the Dr. advised Linda to use the "abuse" language to justify their relationship - and have good evidence upon which this is based. I believe it was during the GC session in Toronto when abuse was included among the justifications for divorce. If you know Danny at all, one thing he is not, is an abuser. Talk! Perhaps! But certainly not dangerous or physical.

Just to make this letter a bit more complete, let me tell you what I know about Danny's attempt to save Linda for himself - even after the divorce papers were signed. He paid off the remaining debt on her new car, her daughter's car, all of the credit cards, and other joint bills. He bought her interest in the house, helped her move to Southern Illinois, build a porch on her home there, gave her all of the things in their home including things that were really his. (He did these things with money obtained in a loan from a friend.) Over and over again he took her out to eat and did many other things to show how much he really cared for her. In fact, many of the employees and some of us on the board were concerned because of how she was leading him on and keeping him in turmoil. Over and over, she threatened him, saying, that if she was going down, she would bring him and the ministry down with  him.

One more thing. Linda has said that she was not censured by her church. The fact is, her church did meet and confidentially went over all of the evidence they had, and wrote an 8 page letter outlining the reason they had to conclude that she was wrong. Rather than drop her from membership, out of concern for her, they agreed do a letter of censure.

As for Danny getting married, let me make a few more comments. Our board has been well informed on all of these things. We were the ones that unanimously let Linda go, as much as we all hated to take that step. We all love her, care about her, and continue to keep her in our prayers. We have also been fully informed about Danny and his new-found friend. I was at 3ABN the day she and her two girls arrived from Florida with all they possessed. I shared some peanut butter and grapes that I had left over as I was about to return home. My heart went out to them. Danny's eventually did too. They are really nice people who have a heart for Jesus and for hurting people. She has had a hard life. (Her twin sister is dead.) There relationship has grown since that day more than a year ago. (Contrary to rumor, there was no relationship going before that!) A number of the staff and some of us on the board advised Danny to "cool it." He tried. But Danny is a people person. He needs people around him. I have concluded that Brandy came to 3abn atthe direction of either the devil or the Holy Spirit. I have had no trouble deciding which. I believe God has given Danny just what he has needed to continue to serve that ministry with the power and enthusiasm that is characteristic to him. He loves the Lord supremely, and seeks His guidance in all things. What you see of Danny on television is who he is. He is not a fake. Yes, he is human. He has human tendencies, just like you and I. Just because he is on television does not automatically take away those personal drives.

Before Danny married Brandy, our board met by conference call and went over the evidence again. It was our conclusion based upon the information we have, only some of which I have shared here, that Danny was morally free to re-marry if he wished. We were all concerned about the timing, but did not feel that was a just reason for condemning the action. Those of Church leadership with whom we have shared these things agree with our decision.

In all of the Bible, I have not been able to find a single instance where God had a prophet condemn any one for anything that was not either illegal or immoral. As our board, and leaders of the church, have carefully examined the evidence, we find nothing for which to condemn Danny either. As regarding age difference, I find nothing in the Bible or the SOP that speaks to this issue. You may remember Elder Archo Dart, a General Conference officer doing family counseling during the fifties. He married a patient of mine who was at least 20 years younger when he was in his late 70's. They had an excellent marriage. Teddy, his new wife, loved every minute of their time together - as she told me. They are both dead now.

Linda, in spite of what I have noted above, refuses to acknowledge that what she was doing was wrong - nor is she telling the facts as they happened. It is one thing to forgive and forget, but is altogether something else when one is unable to acknowledge wrong doing. Yes, and I truly would like to know what Jesus would have done differently. As I see it, we gave Linda every imaginable opportunity to remain and work with 3ABN - except for one condition. When she refused, what more is one to do? Jesus was patient with Judas too, but He did not prevent Judas from doing what he did.

For my part, I have asked God for wisdom to guide in all that we have done. I have insisted at every step that we do everything in a way that could never be honestly faulted. I believe God has honored our desire, and blessed the ministry beyond measure because we have tried so hard to be faithful. You may remember that even God lost some of his best friends (Lucifer, Ananias and Saphira and others). It hurts. But sometimes one must act to stop bad things - even when it hurts!

I hope this helps to clear the confusion. NO ONE at 3ABN wanted to get rid of Linda, least of all, Danny. I don't think there are very many people that would condemn Danny for not waiting longer to agree to divorce if they had been there and witnessed the situation. Even God has limits to His tolerance. If you have further questions or need further evidence, please let me know.

Sincerely in Jesus' precious name,
Walter Thompson MD
Chairman, 3ABN Board

( My editing was due to the quotes not being correctly formatted.)


It certainly is interesting to read again those two letters. It is still amazing how two professional Christian people are able to produce documents so studded with downright lies and misinformation that it makes me shudder. They forget that I had earlier received much information from my talks with themselves, and now they claimed that this was information I had received from Linda.

How deluded people can get when they get all of their thwarted information from a psychopath telling false stories to protect the false image he has built around himself. False stories about Linda's travels, wrong dates, wrong or twisted information.

And then they sound as if they never heard of the American inventor Graham Bell and his product, except in the case where they give false information about Linda's use of this invention.

Yes, they remind me of a story I heard when I was 12 years old and working after school hours in the office of a businessman. A certain sales manager had a rather loud voice. One day when the owner came by he asked why all this noise behind one of the doors.

- It's the sales manager talking to a customer in a town a couple of hundred miles from here.

- Why isn't he using the phone, then? retorted the owner.

Why all this noise and racket to cover up some evil deeds? Using lies and deception - when Truth remains throughout eternity?
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« Reply #263 on: July 21, 2010, 06:49:57 AM »

I  am not asking exactly what Linda is doing, because there are spies on this site, I would just like to know that she is doing something positive to fight back against DS and that she is no longer being a victim.

I agree with you. It doesn't seem like she did much if it is still going on for 6 years. I would ask my friends to follow me and video the other people following me. I would contact my neighborhood watch, as well as the police. (Or form a neighborhood watch). I would put one of those surveillance cameras on my door, so if anyone comes, like a locksmith to try and make a key? Well the police could talk to them and find out who hired them. I don't think Locksmiths are supposed to make new keys for doors unless they know the house belongs to that person.  One time I took the garbage out and the door locked behind me and my baby was inside asleep. I tried to break into my own house but couldn't and didn't want to break a window. I had to call the locksmith from my neighbors house but didn't have an ID when he got there, so we had to call the police, and they opened my door for me, but then needed my ID also. My baby woke up in his crib and was hugging me so they said they could tell I lived there but still had to see my ID.
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« Reply #264 on: July 21, 2010, 01:57:23 PM »

Make that the history of the world........and ITA!  Could not believe that when I first heard...wondering how Danny thought he could make up his own set of circumstances.

And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce.

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« Reply #265 on: July 22, 2010, 10:51:39 AM »

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Four years before their divorce Danny built Linda the “house of her dreams” and financially gave her the life of a princess, indulging her every desire for “nice things”. At that time he began the big pay off, his way of balancing the scales. If you pay for what you receive, it becomes a simple business transaction, completed  without any moral obligation involved. Both parties benefit, with the price justifying the means. Linda had been paid off, unbeknownst to her, and now Danny could feel free to begin the process of ridding himself of what was no longer a perceived asset for him, only excess baggage weighting him down. By removing what little conscience that remained, in the form of Linda’s input in his life, he would be freed to pursue his desires wherever they would lead him.




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« Reply #266 on: July 22, 2010, 01:42:36 PM »

Make that the history of the world........and ITA!  Could not believe that when I first heard...wondering how Danny thought he could make up his own set of circumstances.

And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce.

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At first I did the same as so many others have done,  I admired the man for his accomplishments. One gets so overwhelmed that one loses sight of the moral values ingrained in ones life and Christian philosophy. No wonder some very good friends of Jim Gilley exclaimed recently that their old friend is not the way he used to be. Now he appears to be brainwashed by Danny Shelton
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #267 on: July 22, 2010, 07:56:19 PM »

Well, Let's just put it like this.....she and her reputation have taken an enormous amount of abuse at the hands of DS, and those who defend him, int he past six years. She seemingly is still pretty quiet, although I do applaud hew for sticking to Danny's plan...prety much.  However, truly I believe some of the things told by her friends and supporters have to have come from her, and are posted with her knowledge.  SOME! Just SOME not even major information, but just SOME of it.  I think this is her way of striking back by still staying "silent".  I also believe that she is living in a little bit of denial, she hasn't really  "moved on" with her life.  Her friends might not be halping her, but enabling her with their campaign to dethrone DS, and basically some way restoring her to her former life in ministry, without Danny.

Now, what I just said might have very little to do with reality, just a lil  sumpin from the Bood of Princess.  Hehehehe!!

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #268 on: July 23, 2010, 05:53:40 AM »

Danny and his supporters  have claimed (falsely I believe) that this discussion is only about whether Linda is wrong . And it is inferred that anyone who is not defending or is questioning his actions and the actions of 3ABN is doing it because he/she is her supporter who gets information and orders directly or indirectly from her and wants  her back at 3ABN. In other words they make it a power struggle and a “he said-she said” fight that can split the church or harm it. If you buy into this I think you are playing into someone’s hands. As long as she can be cast as the “bad guy” it can be claimed that the treatment of her or of anyone who does not condemn her is because it what is best for 3ABN and for the church. Danny can claim to be the founder and to have made 3ABN prosper. The legend of “The 3ABN story” continues be used to gain and retain followers and funds.  I am not going to go into whether she helped found it or whether she made it prosper or not. I do not care if she is back at 3ABN or not. That is absolutely not relevant to me.

One may be fooled into doing many things that are harmful if one thinks he/she is doing them for a noble cause. Would you aid and abet a criminal? What if the criminal can convince you that he/she is hiding out from an abusive boy friend or relative instead of fleeing the scene of a crime. Could you be tricked into hiding them? I feel that this is what has happened to some of the “defenders“ who may do or say things they otherwise would not do or say.

The breakup of the marriage and the accusations against Linda only served to get my attention and got me started doing some personal investigation. It put the spotlight on Danny.  What he said and what  his defenders said on certain forums did not sit well with me.

I have sometimes posted things I have found about Linda and about others because they are public figures, these things are public records and are items of human interest. Sometimes these tidbits shed a little more light on the whole picture - sometimes they are just interesting.  

If it is only about vindictiveness over a marriage gone bad the spotlight is diverted from Tommy, from Danny and what they have allegedly done. Sympathy is elicited for them. Those who want the truth to come out are cast as villains with evil motives.


(corrected spelling-spacing and to make thoughts clearer)
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #269 on: July 23, 2010, 06:27:29 AM »

No truer or better said.  :goodpost:
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