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[Gregory]

Artiste said:

Very interesting that Mark Finley is retiring at this propitious moment.

Also, quite a "puff piece" on him in the Review...almost sounds like an obituary in some ways.

Elder Finley is an elected official of the General Conference.  Elected officials genrally retire in a manner that allows their replacement to be elected at a General Conference session as it is considered to be more fair to the process than to have the replacement appointed.  The timing is probably just that Finley did not want to serve for another five years.  Yes, this does not always happen and one can probably point to times when it did not happen.

Puff piece:  No person is either 100% perfect or 100% imperfect.  Elder Finley has made major contributions to the work and ministry of the SDA Chruch.  Those who may criticize him in some aspects should in honesty acknowledge his positive contributions of major impact upon our denominational life and ministry.

The same can be said for Dr. Thompson of 3-ABN.  I think that he made some poor decisions that were simply wrong and I have stated such.  At the same time he has made a positinve contribution in many ways to the mission and ministry of the SDA Church and to the work of our Lord on Earth.  In fairness and honesty those positive contributions should be acknowledged.  

Abortion: It was wrong to involve the Thompson's daughter in the discussion as has been done.  Those who did so should apologize to the Thompson famly should be accepted as fact.  This issue should b dropped.   It should not be a part of the public discussion.

[Bob Pickle]

Gregory,

I think Dr. A made a valid point: Walt publicly demanded the documentation Dr. A claimed he had regarding the alleged abortion, but still refuses to produce the evidence of Linda's guilt.

If Walt wants the discussion regarding the alleged abortion dropped entirely, then he should finally and belatedly produce the evidence of Linda's guilt. Until he does, this point Dr. A has publicly raised regarding Walt's demand for documentation is on the table and should not be dropped.

It's a valid point. Walt may not like it being asked, but he was the one who publicly demanded the documentation. He should never have made the demand if he didn't want the point to be made.

As far as Walt's contributions to the Lord's work goes, consider that Ezek. 3:20 states, "When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity ... his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered."

Walt is in his sunset years, and he should cease lying and slandering people behind their backs, apologize for covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, and apologize for suing us. I'm sure the many others he has wronged can add to the list.

[Pat Williams]

I have a question?  Since there were all these mass emails and mailings against Linda, doesn't anyone on this site still have a copy to prove to others on this site, that Danny and 3abn did indeed, have it out for Linda? Maybe Dr. A still has a letter.

Good question, but they don't have such a letter. The only letter 3ABN mailed out was one written in response to the article published in a SDA independent new magazine, called "AToday" which was according to them published in reply to Linda's website, the letters from Linda mailed out allegedly from her by her supporters/defenders, and the public posts they were making on her behalf after hearing from her, and their interviews with Linda's advocates, ( Johann Thorvaldsson, and Darrell Mundall, etc). The only responsive broadcast 3ABN ever made was also after that and in response to the same as viewers had all kinds of questions caused by Linda's people making all public.

The documents and dates don't lie.

[Pat Williams]

Again, Johann is asked to post a letter, but doesn't reveal who asked him. Someone is obviously operating in the shadows and hiding, why else ask Johann, when they could be upfront and honest and just post it themselves? And how did this person who asked Johann to post this even know about it, if Dr A is telling the truth that he didn't intend for the world to see it, as his last shared letter already got posted to the world?

 Johann friend to Dr A, and Linda, and advocate for both reveals here that it wasn't Dr A who asked him to post his letters, so that narrows the possibilities of who this shadow instigator is who is asking him to make claimed private correspondence public here. And raises the questions of why they are doing so, and why do they need to be hidden and unidentified? Johann also reveals something further, Dr A claims: "First of all, it has never been my intention for the world to see my private correspondence with Mark Finley, thus, I am not interested in responding to the information exchanged here by those who have viewed it..." but instead of writing privately to Dr T? Dr A writes an "open letter" to all, and does respond for the apparent benefit of others (and not Dr T) and somehow here is Johann again in possession of his private correspondence and posting his  " open letter" to all and making it public again, without Dr A's permission? Who could have asked him to post it and why would he do so, apparently against Dr A's claims and expressed wishes about that? And if Dr A really didn't want it public, why did he again give it to others who apparently already betrayed and went against his previous wishes about that? Something smells fishy to me...

Things that make you go hmmm...

I have been asked to post the following item:

An Open Letter to Walt Thompson;

I do not have the time or the interest to get involved in internet discussions.  Yet I feel compelled to correct some errors here.

First of all, it has never been my intention for the world to see my private correspondence with Mark Finley, thus, I am not interested in responding to the information exchanged here by those who have viewed it...
Respectfully,

Dr. Arild Abrahamsen

[Pat Williams]

Gregory,

I think Dr. A made a valid point: Walt publicly demanded the documentation Dr. A claimed he had regarding the alleged abortion, but still refuses to produce the evidence of Linda's guilt.

If Walt wants the discussion regarding the alleged abortion dropped entirely, then he should finally and belatedly produce the evidence of Linda's guilt. Until he does, this point Dr. A has publicly raised regarding Walt's demand for documentation is on the table and should not be dropped.

It's a valid point. Walt may not like it being asked, but he was the one who publicly demanded the documentation. He should never have made the demand if he didn't want the point to be made...

Apart from the fact that Linda's and Danny's reasons for divorcing were not the same reasons that the 3ABN board voted to terminate her employment and position on the board,(Dr Walter Thompson, the chairman of the 3ABN board, has already , long ago, stated that she was fired for defiance of the board ( her employer) and that she wasn't fired for adultery, and he also added that although the board had ample information to suggest adultery, that they had no proof. ie; hadn't seen Linda and the Dr in bed together, and he plainly said that they hadn't ever accused her of adulteryt. So it isn't up to him to prove Linda is an adulteress, as she allegedly demanded. It's smoke and mirrors from her and her defenders so they can make her a victim and martyr for the gullible masses, and find fault with 3ABN); the bible clearly says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and return evil with good" etc. If Bob Pickle really believes what he is attempting to argue here it is quite obvious he is ignoring biblical principles and resorting to an eye for an eye, (do unto others as you think they did to you -or another- or as you think they deserve) and he is promoting the ends justifies the means. Not Christian. Bob Pickle, imho, has left the straight and narrow path in his obsessive need to justify the path he has taken and prove himself righteous and justified. He's not even close to right here in his thinking, arguments or justifications of the wrong committed by Dr A and Johann and the shadowy accomplice hiding in the dark and protected here...

[mrst53]

So 3AB- you are saying that you have been involved in 3abn and have known DS and LS long enough to know that there were NO mass mailings, NO mass emailings from the SDA church and 3abn and NO mass anything involved AGAINST LS about her and DR. A? I am NOT taking sides- believe me,as I DO NOT KNOW anyone involved, except a passing knowledge of TS and that's how I got to this site.. I am just courious. There is just so much stuff floating around, I want to hear it from the "horses mouth"

[Pat Williams]

So 3AB- you are saying that you have been involved in 3abn and have known DS and LS long enough to know that there were NO mass mailings, NO mass emailings from the SDA church and 3abn and NO mass anything involved AGAINST LS about her and DR. A? I am NOT taking sides- believe me,as I DO NOT KNOW anyone involved, except a passing knowledge of TS and that's how I got to this site.. I am just courious. There is just so much stuff floating around, I want to hear it from the "horses mouth"

I am saying, in all of the time since I have been involved I have never seen one of these mass emailings which are alleged except the ones which were written in response and in answer to Linda's group, as I referred to. NEVER. I have not ever received one from 3ABN,(and yes I am and have been on their email list) and I have never seen one accuser of 3ABN making these claims ever present or publish a copy of one of those emails, and you are not even close to being the first to ask. That was why I said "good question" It was, and is, but so far in 6 years I have never seen it answered...

[tinka]

Mrst53,

Yes, there was mass letters sent out and maybe just to the contributors.
I got one! and so did my family members also as they were contributors. I doubt I have a copy left after so many years and it did indeed give the idea of LS changed life to go her own way.

[SDAminister]

Apart from the fact that Linda's and Danny's reasons for divorcing were not the same reasons that the 3ABN board voted to terminate her employment and position on the board,(Dr Walter Thompson, the chairman of the 3ABN board, has already , long ago, stated that she was fired for defiance of the board ( her employer).....

This is the same board that hired a non-Seventh-day Adventist alleged pedophile, who just happened to be the brother of the co-founder, to be the programming director of the largest Seventh-day Adventist television network in the world. Where can I sign up to defy this board too??!!!!!

And BTW, when does Danny get terminated for defying the board? You know, that little thing which was detrimental to 3ABN policy..... that thing about starting his own publishing company to sell to 3ABN when it could have been done for hundreds of thousands less by going with the 3ABN imprint, already in existence at the time? Hmmmmm.....

[Bob Pickle]

The documents and dates don't lie.

Did 3ABN or Danny or Walt do any broadcasts or send out any letters trashing Linda prior to the date she signed that unjust, inappropriate gag order?

Apart from the fact that Linda's and Danny's reasons for divorcing were not the same reasons that the 3ABN board voted to terminate her employment and position on the board,(Dr Walter Thompson, the chairman of the 3ABN board, has already , long ago, stated that she was fired for defiance of the board ( her employer) and that she wasn't fired for adultery, ....

If you are really trying to defend 3ABN, why are you repeating Walt's lies? As you note, Walt said Linda was fired for defying the board, but that is clearly and indisputably a lie, because there were no board meetings between when the alleged problem began and the May camp meeting.

Walt himself told me that there were no board meetings during that time period. So the board never gave Linda any ultimatums that she had opportunity to defy.

What board action could Linda have possibly defied anyway?

As you said:

The documents and dates don't lie.

I have not ever received one from 3ABN,(and yes I am and have been on their email list) and I have never seen one accuser of 3ABN making these claims ever present or publish a copy of one of those emails, and you are not even close to being the first to ask.

We filed examples with the court in our court case of communications Walt sent out trashing Linda and others.

[GRAT]

Gregory,

I think Dr. A made a valid point: Walt publicly demanded the documentation Dr. A claimed he had regarding the alleged abortion, but still refuses to produce the evidence of Linda's guilt.

If Walt wants the discussion regarding the alleged abortion dropped entirely, then he should finally and belatedly produce the evidence of Linda's guilt. Until he does, this point Dr. A has publicly raised regarding Walt's demand for documentation is on the table and should not be dropped.

It's a valid point. Walt may not like it being asked, but he was the one who publicly demanded the documentation. He should never have made the demand if he didn't want the point to be made...

Apart from the fact that Linda's and Danny's reasons for divorcing were not the same reasons that the 3ABN board voted to terminate her employment and position on the board,(Dr Walter Thompson, the chairman of the 3ABN board, has already , long ago, stated that she was fired for defiance of the board ( her employer) and that she wasn't fired for adultery, and he also added that although the board had ample information to suggest adultery, that they had no proof. ie; hadn't seen Linda and the Dr in bed together, and he plainly said that they hadn't ever accused her of adulteryt. So it isn't up to him to prove Linda is an adulteress, as she allegedly demanded. It's smoke and mirrors from her and her defenders so they can make her a victim and martyr for the gullible masses, and find fault with 3ABN); the bible clearly says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and return evil with good" etc. If Bob Pickle really believes what he is attempting to argue here it is quite obvious he is ignoring biblical principles and resorting to an eye for an eye, (do unto others as you think they did to you -or another- or as you think they deserve) and he is promoting the ends justifies the means. Not Christian. Bob Pickle, imho, has left the straight and narrow path in his obsessive need to justify the path he has taken and prove himself righteous and justified. He's not even close to right here in his thinking, arguments or justifications of the wrong committed by Dr A and Johann and the shadowy accomplice hiding in the dark and protected here...

 3 D  Pot, Kettle, Black   

[ex3abnemployee]

Again, Johann is asked to post a letter, but doesn't reveal who asked him.

Yes, much like the way some on this forum won't reveal their own names.

[mrst53]

3D- I wanted a straight forward answer- yes or no. Were you around the SDA church and 3abn at the time of the accusations and divorce of Linda and Danny?You did not answer my question exactly. You said you had not recieved any letters in the time you had been associated with 3abn, but then, that could be a year or 6 years or 10 years. Did you know Danny and Linda?

[guide4him]

I know the letters exist, not because I read them but because my mother came home from community service and had been visiting with her elderly friends. One who was almost 100 years old told her friends what her dear friend Walt Thompson wrote. He sent at least three letters that I know of. Two of the letters rumor spreading false information had been discussed in BSDA. The third one I asked a person in private about the rumor and the person wrote back that the rumor was false. So to me if one rumor was false so were all the others. This was BEFORE the letters sent out about the Norwegian Doctor. I didn't know about the last one til I checked out BSDA.
Some of the ladies tried to get the dear darling almost 100 year old lady to not listen to the letters but she replied that he was her friend. Why would he send out these kind of letters if he was not her friend.

No I do not have the letters. I found out the rest of the story that fits well with these false stories through reading BSDA.

I can't prove these letters exist myself. There was one person who told me their grandmother had received the letters but she had since passed away and the person had no idea how important those letters were til they checked out BSDA. So the letters wer not saved.

[mrst53]

Thank-you, Guide4-Him. I guess no one realized how important those letters would turn out to be......