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Re: Dr. Arild Abrahamsen's Letter of Concern to Mark Finley
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2010, 05:55:51 AM »

Samuel, hope you don't mind me doing this additional comment on what you already have done in blue, I will do mine in red. Thought this was a good example of how many disagreements can be readily seen on such comments.


Let me say once again:  The Linda that I once knew would not have wanted Johann to have posted that comment about the Thompson's daughter. (Here it goes again, It is beyond question that LS even knows this is going on.)  Linda had both her daughter and Nathan's story posted on the Internet for all to read.  (Did you think she should have not stood up to give any explanation of what DS did to give her a hard time? so DS could look perfect in this marriage?) It was hurtful to have that done. (but the truth) She would  have felt the same pain over what Johann posted.  Others have believed that since Johann posted it the information must have come from Linda. (that goes to show the caliber of people that are being hung around with.  They all speculate of what they do not know. I believe your pressure is not from Linda's Character of how you think but from the panic of DS.) I believe that it is in the best interests of Linda for Johann to clairfy. ( How so? to appease the ones that "crowned her"?)   It  looks like he is not going to do so. (With you making your statements sure did give give anxiety for your intent whether you focus that far or not.) O.K. 

I think it has been clearly stated that Linda had nothing to do with the post, it is your choice to ignore that. As it appears you have.

Fran mentions Brandy:  I have posted on Brandy in the past.  She evidently does not remember those posts.  The essence of my posts on Brandy was just as has been my focus here:  she has been baptized,(oh, so there is a change because of it? how about in love with another man?) foget her past, she should not be the central focus of issues people have with 3-ABN and Danny Shelton, under the firestorm of the Internet how could anyone expect she to survive in her marriage to Danny--don't blame either she or Danny. Yes, we need to blame the devil. The devil made them do it.  Your focus is very narrow. Just a continuation of bad choices because of bad deeds.  Did you ever read EGW on using background to the best you can for what God wants in a marriage.  Have you read all what happened when the Biblical men mingled with wrong women. Yes, your focus is narrow

So it's the internets fault that a divorce was warranted? Sorry, but my Bible tells me different.

By the way:  Let me say that 3-ABN, Danny and Dr.Thompson did very well in their treatment of the breakup of the marriage of Danny and Brandy. ( They had no choice for what chance again could they be under fire if she told what she knew.) They are to be commended for the way they dwelt with it. (you mean the cover up?)  But this is just my thought.Why now the change? Why couldn't they have handled the divorce with Linda with the same manner of dignity as you point out?

It has been said that I straddle the fence (yes, it definitely shows that from script.)and and now seen to lean on the side of Danny: (absolutely) I have always had a very narrow focus. (Yes not to see and stand for what the picture really is, while your stance should have been protecting the pew money but then how could you?)  That focus has been Linda and what happened to her. (so what have you done about your focus?) I have never focused on either Danny or 3-ABN. ( that is where you have made grave mistake by not focusing on background again for taking a stance that you have.)  I call it like I see it. (but you choose not to see it.) I have recently called Dr. Thompson a  good man (who has contributed much to the SDA Church) (so many do as their characters cry out for recognition how ever they can get it. many of those are in the church and do other things behind the scenes) who made some poor decisions, without malice, (without malice?? you mean to the people who freely gave their funds?? What malice to them, and who in the "clan" cares?)  because I see it that way.  I have publicly stated in the past that I neither criticize Danny for the divorce nor for his marriage to Brandy (again a lack of background check but cheap lusts cost him again in characterization) because the marriage was dead.  ( yep, she did not get as much out of the deal as she thought and I think the scheme back fired. serves him right. what goes around comes around) No one is either 100% pure or 100% evil. (true, there is intentional sin and unintentional sin. Lust is Intentional.) If any want to see me "selling out" and going over to Danny's side, so be it. (you seem confused about it) I find it interesting as there are clearly those who have defended 3-ABN who do not see me in that light. (so they speak the truth on all things? I would say they are angry because they do not know for sure how far they can trust you? You probably know much and think your way of straddling is not assured in anything.)
I don't see you as selling out.  As I have stated before, from your post I don't even think you know where you stand.
I do not personalize stuff, generally. (How do you know then what is right and what is wrong in dealing with people? I do not know whether or not I will ever meet either Dr. Thompson, or Johann, in this life.  But, if I do I will be able to sit down with either of them, and thank them for their years of service to the SDA Chruch and their positive contribution. (wait a minute, you sound like the judge here.) I have differed with each of thim on some matters.  but, (no matter, huh?)  if I meet them I will not be talking to either of them in an attempt  to throw bricks at them.  They are both good people with whom I differ on some things. (all depends on what side of the fence your teetering on.)
Then why "throw bricks" at Johann now? I don't understand why you feel so compeled that he answer you.

Johann would be wise to give no info on this constant (hard pressure) for the very reasons Gregory came on here to post.  That gave the red flags.   I hope this is not the Gregory that I think it is.
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Re: Dr. Arild Abrahamsen's Letter of Concern to Mark Finley
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2010, 06:05:08 AM »

Nope, don't mind at all.  His comments become more obsured each time he writes. Glad others are able to find the flaws in his insinuations as well.  :-X
Samuel, hope you don't mind me doing this additional comment on what you already have done in blue, I will do mine in red. Thought this was a good example of how many disagreements can be readily seen on such comments.


Let me say once again:  The Linda that I once knew would not have wanted Johann to have posted that comment about the Thompson's daughter. (Here it goes again, It is beyond question that LS even knows this is going on.)  Linda had both her daughter and Nathan's story posted on the Internet for all to read.  (Did you think she should have not stood up to give any explanation of what DS did to give her a hard time? so DS could look perfect in this marriage?) It was hurtful to have that done. (but the truth) She would  have felt the same pain over what Johann posted.  Others have believed that since Johann posted it the information must have come from Linda. (that goes to show the caliber of people that are being hung around with.  They all speculate of what they do not know. I believe your pressure is not from Linda's Character of how you think but from the panic of DS.) I believe that it is in the best interests of Linda for Johann to clairfy. ( How so? to appease the ones that "crowned her"?)   It  looks like he is not going to do so. (With you making your statements sure did give give anxiety for your intent whether you focus that far or not.) O.K. 

I think it has been clearly stated that Linda had nothing to do with the post, it is your choice to ignore that. As it appears you have.

Fran mentions Brandy:  I have posted on Brandy in the past.  She evidently does not remember those posts.  The essence of my posts on Brandy was just as has been my focus here:  she has been baptized,(oh, so there is a change because of it? how about in love with another man?) foget her past, she should not be the central focus of issues people have with 3-ABN and Danny Shelton, under the firestorm of the Internet how could anyone expect she to survive in her marriage to Danny--don't blame either she or Danny. Yes, we need to blame the devil. The devil made them do it.  Your focus is very narrow. Just a continuation of bad choices because of bad deeds.  Did you ever read EGW on using background to the best you can for what God wants in a marriage.  Have you read all what happened when the Biblical men mingled with wrong women. Yes, your focus is narrow

So it's the internets fault that a divorce was warranted? Sorry, but my Bible tells me different.

By the way:  Let me say that 3-ABN, Danny and Dr.Thompson did very well in their treatment of the breakup of the marriage of Danny and Brandy. ( They had no choice for what chance again could they be under fire if she told what she knew.) They are to be commended for the way they dwelt with it. (you mean the cover up?)  But this is just my thought.Why now the change? Why couldn't they have handled the divorce with Linda with the same manner of dignity as you point out?

It has been said that I straddle the fence (yes, it definitely shows that from script.)and and now seen to lean on the side of Danny: (absolutely) I have always had a very narrow focus. (Yes not to see and stand for what the picture really is, while your stance should have been protecting the pew money but then how could you?) That focus has been Linda and what happened to her. (so what have you done about your focus?) I have never focused on either Danny or 3-ABN. ( that is where you have made grave mistake by not focusing on background again for taking a stance that you have.) I call it like I see it. (but you choose not to see it.) I have recently called Dr. Thompson a  good man (who has contributed much to the SDA Church) (so many do as their characters cry out for recognition how ever they can get it. many of those are in the church and do other things behind the scenes) who made some poor decisions, without malice, (without malice?? you mean to the people who freely gave their funds?? What malice to them, and who in the "clan" cares?)  because I see it that way.  I have publicly stated in the past that I neither criticize Danny for the divorce nor for his marriage to Brandy (again a lack of background check but cheap lusts cost him again in characterization) because the marriage was dead.  ( yep, she did not get as much out of the deal as she thought and I think the scheme back fired. serves him right. what goes around comes around) No one is either 100% pure or 100% evil. (true, there is intentional sin and unintentional sin. Lust is Intentional.) If any want to see me "selling out" and going over to Danny's side, so be it. (you seem confused about it) I find it interesting as there are clearly those who have defended 3-ABN who do not see me in that light. (so they speak the truth on all things? I would say they are angry because they do not know for sure how far they can trust you? You probably know much and think your way of straddling is not assured in anything.)
I don't see you as selling out.  As I have stated before, from your post I don't even think you know where you stand.
I do not personalize stuff, generally. (How do you know then what is right and what is wrong in dealing with people? I do not know whether or not I will ever meet either Dr. Thompson, or Johann, in this life.  But, if I do I will be able to sit down with either of them, and thank them for their years of service to the SDA Chruch and their positive contribution. (wait a minute, you sound like the judge here.) I have differed with each of thim on some matters.  but, (no matter, huh?)  if I meet them I will not be talking to either of them in an attempt  to throw bricks at them.  They are both good people with whom I differ on some things. (all depends on what side of the fence your teetering on.)
Then why "throw bricks" at Johann now? I don't understand why you feel so compeled that he answer you.

Johann would be wise to give no info on this constant (hard pressure) for the very reasons Gregory came on here to post.  That gave the red flags.   I hope this is not the Gregory that I think it is.
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Re: Dr. Arild Abrahamsen's Letter of Concern to Mark Finley
« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2010, 06:13:51 AM »

A few questions I would like to ask Gregory:

1. Seeing that you are no longer "Lindas spokesman" why are you so concerned?

2. What dog do you have in this fight? Apparently it isn't one of concern for Linda.

3. How, can you now seem to be in favor of WT after how Linda was treated? (I find that appauling.)

4. Why are you so vehmently asking that Johann state where he received his information? (Is it because you are jealous you didn't get this information? or What is it?)

5. It has repeatedly been stated here that Linda had nothing to do with that. Isn't that the answer you wanted? If not what more do you request?

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« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2010, 09:12:26 AM »

I disagree with the ideas being floated about Gregory. It is possible to agree that one side is wrong and the other right in the fundamental reason(s) why the sides became sides, yet disagree with the strategies and tactics of the side you believe to be in the right. Because I agree with someone on one matter, or even most matters, doesn't mean that I will agree with them on everything.
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« Reply #124 on: June 08, 2010, 09:24:52 AM »

I also disagree with the ideas being said about Gregory.  As far as I am concerned, he isn't on anybody's side, just as I am not on anybody's side. 

In regards to myself, I am interested in the truth, whichever side or sides the truth points to.

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« Reply #125 on: June 08, 2010, 10:15:00 AM »

same here. but the truth is like getting nails out of cement. But it will come as long as people seek truth because of the "funds given" . I learn something new about everyday or so. There are many links out there and I in just the last few weeks have ventured into them.
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« Reply #126 on: June 09, 2010, 05:00:22 AM »

Gregory:

After much prayer and thought, I feel I owe you an apology. While I still stand steadfast on most of my opinion that I have shared, I feel that it went to far.  

I believe that you are an honest man, and that you stand on your principles which I respect. Although, I believe where I stand has been made evident, I do not see anything profitable of questioning your motives. I do disagree with you on a few things, but think this was taken to far by both sides.

I believe we are all here to find the truth, finding the truth is not an easy thing to accomplish, but my belief is it should  remain civil, and without intentional damage to one particular person.

Again, I sincerely apologize for the lack of Christian character I believe I exhibited.

--Edited to fix a couple of errors.--
« Last Edit: June 09, 2010, 05:10:58 AM by samuelthomas »
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« Reply #127 on: June 09, 2010, 08:16:18 AM »

You are  gracious.  I do not attribute malice to your comments.

Honest people can disagree and see things differently.

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« Reply #128 on: June 10, 2010, 07:47:53 AM »

Facts are one thing that I think we should stick to.

Assumption is another thing that can make a something not so nice out of you and me as in assume

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« Reply #129 on: June 18, 2010, 03:02:41 AM »

Mark Finley's last campaign before retiring as a vice president in a few days:

http://www.adventistreview.org/article.php?id=3414
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« Reply #130 on: June 18, 2010, 05:20:59 AM »

I have been asked to post the following item:

An Open Letter to Walt Thompson;

I do not have the time or the interest to get involved in internet discussions.  Yet I feel compelled to correct some errors here.

First of all, it has never been my intention for the world to see my private correspondence with Mark Finley, thus, I am not interested in responding to the information exchanged here by those who have viewed it.   It has been the scheme of you and others at 3ABN to divert the people’s attention from the real issues that need the attention of the Church at large.  I will not allow that to happen here.  But I will make the comment that I find it extremely interesting that you are now demanding documentation and proof regarding information about YOU, but you failed to desire any documentation or proof when it came to YOUR dealings with Linda Shelton.(We have asked you for that for 6 years without getting anything)

The Pharisees were very skillful with their words.  If one did not listen closely one might think they were very Godly men.  But the THINKING people who examined the outcome of their words and actions and could judge their fruit.  I can recall the 3ABN Campmeeting of 2004 where Pastor Johann Thorvalsson and myself were threatened with jail if we returned.  We were there to talk with 3ABN Board members to discuss with them your actions and the actions of Danny Shelton against Linda Shelton.  It appeared there was a vile scheme being performed to eliminate the Vice-President. Yet strangely enough we were kicked off the premises with no opportunity to correct the errors. Later I recall Linda writing several letters to you asking why she was fired.  You replied with copies of contracts which were forced upon her when she was being abused in the home and also literally forced to leave by her husband without a penny.  You did not often meet with Linda during the two months she was suspended from the ministry, but when you did she made it very clear to you how she was being treated in the home.  You witnessed Danny trashing Linda for hours at a time before other witnesses and you still did nothing…except support a husband who was living contrary to the Word of God.

What followed was even worse.  You were present at several 3ABN staff meetings where Linda was trashed in front of all of her employees.  Employees were threatened with their jobs and/or legal action if any talked to Linda.  You endorsed the mailing of 180,000 letters, regarding Linda, to the 3ABN donors discrediting her.  You sent out hundreds of personal letters filled with lies, slander and libel utterly destroying Linda’s reputation and ministry.  You were aware of those at the ministry who answered the phone doing the same.  So there was a HUGE marketing agenda at 3ABN to destroy her life, occupation, ministry, social status within her Church through television, radio, newsletters, the website and representatives out in the field.  And today your response is “…things will remain a mystery so long as life may last here on earth.  Only in that better land may we hope to see truth in all of its facets…  I wish to express sorrow for any wrongs I have done or any wrongs done by other members of the 3ABN community to those who have been hurt.”  Walt Thompson…I AM NOT BUYING IT!!  I have seen and heard too much!!  You write…”never has there been the least intent to mislead or cause pain…”  How about taking a second look at all you have written and said about Linda with no valid justification at all.   If I were you I would be seeking to make some type of restitution to Linda Shelton before standing before a Holy God on Judgment Day.

There are times when apologies are NOT enough.  It was nothing less than MURDER, only worse, because Linda had to live to face the results as a social outcast in the SDA community…for doing NO WRONG, AND YOU KNOW IT !  I am aware that Linda has suffered enormous LOSS at your hands.  Her health suffered.  She would have lost her life if not for treatments that were able to counteract the physical ailments.  Today she has financial pressures because of her loss of employment.  She has experienced 3ABN Board members and representatives attempting to stop any and all of her attempts to revive her ministry and occupation.  She has an ex-husband who has been fighting her in court for 6 years ,with 4 attorneys,because he doesn’t want to pay her a fair marital settlement, but you and 3ABN still support and promote the man on worldwide television.  And the list goes on and on and on.

It is my suggestion that 3ABN make an attempt at making things right.  Obviously the ministry is suffering financially.  The Lord cannot bless all that has happened and is still happening there with a leadership that is lying, sending out false accusations and false rumors purposely.  Restitution must be made.   A statement needs to be made clearing Linda’s name.  This is a beginning at mending the gaping wound.

I hope you will prayerfully consider these words.  They are words of truth with the motive of a peaceful conclusion.

Respectfully,

Dr. Arild Abrahamsen
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« Reply #131 on: June 18, 2010, 05:37:48 AM »

Interesting point! Walt demands documentation regarding whether he performed an abortion on his daughter while refusing to produce documentation regarding Linda's guilt at Linda's request! Isn't that how one spells h-y-p-c-r-i-t-i-c-a-l?

Will 3ABN start living up to its slogan: Mending Broken People? Will a genuine apology now be issued? Will Walt have a change of heart and fall upon the Rock and be broken? Will Walt in his sunset years be thoroughly converted? Will Walt stop spreading lies and slander behind the backs of those he disagrees with?
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« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2010, 06:07:41 AM »

Interesting point! Walt demands documentation regarding whether he performed an abortion on his daughter while refusing to produce documentation regarding Linda's guilt at Linda's request! Isn't that how one spells h-y-p-c-r-i-t-i-c-a-l?

Certainly is hypocritical!
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« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2010, 06:11:15 AM »

Mark Finley's last campaign before retiring as a vice president in a few days:

http://www.adventistreview.org/article.php?id=3414

Very interesting that Mark Finley is retiring at this propitious moment.

Also, quite a "puff piece" on him in the Review...almost sounds like an obituary in some ways.
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« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2010, 06:31:08 PM »

I have a question?  Since there were all these mass emails and mailings against Linda, doesn't anyone on this site still have a copy to prove to others on this site, that Danny and 3abn did indeed, have it out for Linda? Maybe Dr. A still has a letter.
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