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[Snoopy]

I think this is turning into cyber-harrassment.  Gregory has made his point that he thinks Johann should respond.  Johann has not responded.  Johann does not HAVE to respond simply because Gregory thinks he should.  Personally, I am intrigued as to who thinks it was Linda who asked that the letter be posted in the first place, as that thought never even crossed my mind until Gregory brought it up.  So how about it, Gregory?  Who exactly is contacting you saying they think Linda prompted Johann's post?

[sonshineonme]

Gregory, wouldn't the "logical" guess be if someone has to KNOW who asked Johann to post it for them, be Arild?? This is why, if the letters are between Arild and someone else I don't understand your thinking just because Johann and Linda are close it must be her? Lots of people are close to Johann, and I am very close to Linda. I still don't see it. Sorry.

Sonshine, here is what I said to you as to why some peple believe Linda was involved:

Johann is rightly thought to be very close to Linda.  It is that close relationship that he has with Linda that causes soome people to beleive that when he says he was asked to post, it was Linda who asked him to post.

You do not have to agree with it.  But, in my opinion that is why.  Johann needs to clairfy his statement.  He does not need to give a name.

[Fran]

Was your last scentence a threat?

Samuelthomas:  Fran accused me of lying to her.  I acknowledged that I made an error in judgment.  If my admission of making an error in judgement (which was the subject of your citation) makes you think I have a big ego, so be it.  I can live with that.  Continue to push me and you will continue to see me respond.

[Artiste]

It is interesting to me how the subject of Linda comes up periodically in these internet discussions.  It has been my understanding that Linda has never had much to do with the discussions and didn't wish to.

On the other hand, the behind-the-scenes maneuvers that Gregory has alluded to that bring her up might be intended to divert discussion away from the letter of concern from Dr. Arild and any further exchanges between him and Mark Finley.

The letter that Johann was so kind as to post for us.

[Fran]

I read Gregory's Leaning toward Danny's side.  Easy to figure out.  Linda would have known about the Thompson's.  He isn't even concerned about Brandy.  Then he demands that Dr A and Johann tell who asked them to post?  He is not looking to protect Linda.  He should have known Linda would not do that!  She is on the same higher road she has been on for such a long time.

So I would say he is trying to get info about Linda and find out who it was that let the cats out of the bag!  Once he gets that info he is will post it and let Danny do what he does so well.  Seek and Destroy!

By the way Greg;  The evangelist was sent to you to review and you could post it.  I did not shed a tear over that.  I expected it.  That did not upset me.  However, when a pastor/chaplain lies to me, the game is over!  I was right.  Your spiritual side is absent as you come here with demands and even speak about Linda.  Needless to say, You lost me way back when I found out you had bold faced lied to me.  You will never get any info from me ever again!

However, you have shown me there must be fire where there is smoke?  There must be more that was not said because you started leaning on your straddled fence the way of Danny!  Gregory, I will comment that you owe apologies to quite a few people yourself.  I won't demand it because your "make errors in judgement" you are making excuses for your actions.  Think Chaplain!

[Johann]

It has sickened me throughout these past years that even if I relate a personal experience that I witnessed there will be someone who concludes that this is something Linda must have told me, or that she is the source of these false rumors.

Let me remind you that for weeks before and after Linda and Danny's divorce I would receive several e-mail from Danny each day where he told me whatever came to his mind. Based on these I drew certain conclusions. Even there Linda has been accused of being my source. Is this some kind of virus that inflicts the brain?

[princessdi]

Sister, two wrong still dont make a right.   This is why I am for a truce.   Both incidents were unacceptable the hurt and harm to Linda's reutationthrough lies, and the pain now caused to WT and his family through this unnecessary revelation.  Each time, the other party points to the pain of Linda, or of WT, or whomever is on their side.l  Neither should have been posted.  Neither hurt inflicted.  God say, Vengance is mine".  That means we don't get to do payback.

But wait, let me go back.  i missed something important here.  Sister, you mean to tell me that ALL the so called evidence Danny and his crew claimed to have and would release only in a court of law, never, ever sufaced, even in court, even after LInda asked that it be released?   I knew they were lyin'! LOL!!! 

3D said:

Here's the heartfelt answer and challenge to Linda's friend, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to document his accusations, and prove them, and WT's statement that "Of course, he will not, for he cannot. They do not exist, and never have." which you responded to, and called  "spin". aka - a lie.

I remember when Linda Shelton's reputation was slandered by false accusations. I remember the pain it caused not only Linda, also but her family. She lost her employment, her accusers actively attempted to stop any opportunity she was offered for Christian ministry. I remember when both she and her daughter were accused on an international television broadcast of bearing false witness against Danny, although Alyssa was the victim of sexual molestation by Danny Shelton, the man who had raised her as a daughter (emotionally that makes it more like incest). All the time Danny claimed to have evidence concerning Linda's "sin". When Linda asked Danny and the board of 3ABN to release the evidence publically, knowing that no evidence existed, they refused.

I agree, it would have been better if the information released about Walt Thompson had not been presented here, without the documentation to support the accusations. But what about the pain that Linda and her children have endured, not for just a few days on an obscure website, but televised by 3ABN over the entire world? Nor for only a few days, but for years. I feel pity for the Thompson family over the death of their child. I feel pity for Linda Shelton and her children for the humiliation and the murdering of their reputations.

This all started with a unscrupulous man who decided he wanted to put away his wife, be viewed as the injured party Bibically and had no problem manufacturing lies where no evidence existed. For what reason? Only God and Danny know for certain...

[tinka]

Well, I was just a waiting until someone came up with the right scenario, all was close but Fran basically you got the reasoning of all whats going on here as far as I can see. Had to set back and just watch it get closer and closer to see if my brain is still working as the rest and sure enough.

First of all, the key words here are the "people rightly thought". This clarifies the "clan" that no doubt Gregory stands with. Yes, the proof is the undeniable "hard pressure" that is being used to tighten down over and over is a good law suit against "who did this to me" attitude that the "hard pressure" is directed by what is so obvious "the one that has "lost his head".  Yes, Fran that is the point, so he can use his "freely given money" to use to destroy the one who dare leak anything against him.  

I want to also bring out a point here just for the reasoning of what has been done to Linda, no matter what was done on her part.  Even if her part was true as they claim, how could anyone live with the corruptions going on behind the scene and cover ups.

I decided to go into a lot of different links that normally I don't have time to do. What I have really kept in mind from some info presented in IRS documents and statements of how much DS wages per year that I found elsewhere, what he has spent from other reporters for legal fees, above and beyond what his so called salary "claims" of 100K or so is quite amazing.

The fact is "the real nice honey coated letter" of the "clan" which was deadly and threatening to forced "shut up" was infact no more then a years wages for "20 years of work". Oh, and they claim she did the programming. don't they copy that still? yes they certainly do. She was the brains.  I can tell you for a fact not many women would settle for that!  Now as some of you see the connection for "hard pressure" to insist for the info of who done what?  He frauded her of her earned assets because of His roving "lifestyle".   Be careful there Johann, don't do it. and let the Info come and drive them nuts to where all can be found and justified. (laugh) as paranoid as DS is he probably thinks "the shadow knows". It's coming out in Gregory's hard pressuring.

[ex3abnemployee]

Yes, it's obvious that Gregory has been the one nominated to try to get the info this time. Everyone else has vanished. Come on people, if you're gonna play this game at least try not to be so obvious about it. 

[Gregory]

Let me say once again:  The Linda that I once knew would not have wanted Johann to have posted that comment about the Thompson's daughter.  Linda had both her daughter and Nathan's story posted on the Internet for all to read.  It was hurtful to have that done.  She would  have felt the same pain over what Johann posted.  Others have believed that since Johann posted it the information must have come from Linda.  I believe that it is in the best interests of Linda for Johann to clairfy.  It  looks like he is not going to do so.  O.K. 

Fran mentions Brandy:  I have posted on Brandy in the past.  She evidently does not remember those posts.  The essence of my posts on Brandy was just as has been my focus here:  she has been baptized, foget her past, she should not be the central focus of issues people have with 3-ABN and Danny Shelton, under the firestorm of the Internet how could anyone expect she to survive in her marriage to Danny--don't blame either she or Danny.

By the way:  Let me say that 3-ABN, Danny and Dr.Thompson did very well in their treatment of the breakup of the marriage of Danny and Brandy.  They are to be commended for the way they dwelt with it.  But this is just my thought.

It has been said that I straddle the fence and and now seen to lean on the side of Danny:  I have always had a very narrow focus.  That focus has been Linda and what happened to her.  I have never focused on either Danny or 3-ABN.  I call it like I see it.  I have recently called Dr. Thompson a  good man (who has contributed much to the SDA Church) who made some poor decisions, without malice, because I see it that way.  I have publicly stated in the past that I neither criticize Danny for the divorce nor for his marriage to Brandy because the marriage was dead.  No one is either 100% pure or 100% evil.  If any want to see me "selling out" and going over to Danny's side, so be it.  I find it interesting as there are clearly those who have defended 3-ABN who do not see me in that light.

I do not personalize stuff, generally.  I do not know whether or not I will ever meet either Dr. Thompson, or Johann, in this life.  But, if I do I will be able to sit down with either of them, and thank them for their years of service to the SDA Chruch and their positive contribution.  I have differed with each of thim on some matters.  but,  if I meet them I will not be talking to either of them in an attempt  to throw bricks at them.  They are both good people with whom I differ on some things.

[Adam]

Let me say once again:  The Linda that I once knew would not have wanted Johann to have posted that comment about the Thompson's daughter.  Linda had both her daughter and Nathan's story posted on the Internet for all to read.  It was hurtful to have that done.  She would  have felt the same pain over what Johann posted.  Others have believed that since Johann posted it the information must have come from Linda.  I believe that it is in the best interests of Linda for Johann to clairfy.  It  looks like he is not going to do so.  O.K. 

I think it has been clearly stated that Linda had nothing to do with the post, it is your choice to ignore that. As it appears you have.

Fran mentions Brandy:  I have posted on Brandy in the past.  She evidently does not remember those posts.  The essence of my posts on Brandy was just as has been my focus here:  she has been baptized, foget her past, she should not be the central focus of issues people have with 3-ABN and Danny Shelton, under the firestorm of the Internet how could anyone expect she to survive in her marriage to Danny--don't blame either she or Danny.

So it's the internets fault that a divorce was warranted? Sorry, but my Bible tells me different.

By the way:  Let me say that 3-ABN, Danny and Dr.Thompson did very well in their treatment of the breakup of the marriage of Danny and Brandy.  They are to be commended for the way they dwelt with it.  But this is just my thought.Why now the change? Why couldn't they have handled the divorce with Linda with the same manner of dignity as you point out?

It has been said that I straddle the fence and and now seen to lean on the side of Danny:  I have always had a very narrow focus.  That focus has been Linda and what happened to her.  I have never focused on either Danny or 3-ABN.  I call it like I see it.  I have recently called Dr. Thompson a  good man (who has contributed much to the SDA Church) who made some poor decisions, without malice, because I see it that way.  I have publicly stated in the past that I neither criticize Danny for the divorce nor for his marriage to Brandy because the marriage was dead.  No one is either 100% pure or 100% evil.  If any want to see me "selling out" and going over to Danny's side, so be it.  I find it interesting as there are clearly those who have defended 3-ABN who do not see me in that light.
I don't see you as selling out.  As I have stated before, from your post I don't even think you know where you stand.
I do not personalize stuff, generally.  I do not know whether or not I will ever meet either Dr. Thompson, or Johann, in this life.  But, if I do I will be able to sit down with either of them, and thank them for their years of service to the SDA Chruch and their positive contribution.  I have differed with each of thim on some matters.  but,  if I meet them I will not be talking to either of them in an attempt  to throw bricks at them.  They are both good people with whom I differ on some things.

Then why "throw bricks" at Johann now? I don't understand why you feel so compeled that he answer you.

[Adam]

It has sickened me throughout these past years that even if I relate a personal experience that I witnessed there will be someone who concludes that this is something Linda must have told me, or that she is the source of these false rumors.

Let me remind you that for weeks before and after Linda and Danny's divorce I would receive several e-mail from Danny each day where he told me whatever came to his mind. Based on these I drew certain conclusions. Even there Linda has been accused of being my source. Is this some kind of virus that inflicts the brain?

Perhaps you failed to read this, Gregory? 

[Johann]

People aren't logical when discussing these issues. How often haven't I heard these years

- It is impossible for Johann to know what was going on because he was thousands of miles away when it happened. We at 3ABN were close enough to see what happened.

This in spite of the fact that

1. this whole "affair" started in our kitchen at 3ABN with Nathan, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen, and Linda Shelton were present.

2. I saw again Nathan, his mother Linda, and Brenda at Dr. Arild Abrhamsen's place in Norway where Brenda gathered the material for her stories.

3. As things developed I received more than a hundred e-mail from Danny and from Linda, I was in phone conversations with Linda, Danny, Walt Thompson, and others involved.

4. I was in the 3ABN area and had talks with Danny Shelton, Walt Thompson, John Lomacang, Nick Miller - just to name some of the main individuals´ - at the camp meeting time in 2004 and when Linda got fired from 3ABN.

5. Then my wife, Irmgard, and I spent all that time with Dr. Arild in Norway that Danny claimed he had been with Linda in Florida. Therefore I knew that Danny was not telling the truth. He and Brenda were just brewing up some stories to make it possible for Danny to marry someone else - and this is also what Danny wrote me telling me the only reason he accepted some counseling was to find reasons why he could marry someone else. This was at the time when Linda was still doing all she could to save the marriage. What does that tell you? No consideration of any feelings?

6. Therefore I'd maintain that I saw/experienced more first hand of what was going on than most of the people sitting in an office at 3ABN who mainly heard the chants of Danny Shelton and Walt Thompson why Linda was fired.

PS Somehow my posting delivered several misspelled words which I now have corrected without making any other changes.

[Bob Pickle]

Sister, you mean to tell me that ALL the so called evidence Danny and his crew claimed to have and would release only in a court of law, never, ever sufaced, even in court, even after LInda asked that it be released?   I knew they were lyin'! LOL!!!

I specifically requested copies of the video, audio, and written evidence against Linda that Danny and Walt and company claimed to have, and never received a thing. In fact, I could not identify one single document that Danny Shelton had produced in response to my requests to produce.

[Artiste]

People aren't logical when discussing these issues. How often haven't I heard these years

- It is impossible for Johann to know what was going on because he was thousands of miles away when it happened. We at 3ABN were close enough to see what happened.

This in spite of the fact that

1. this whole "affair" started in our kitchen at 3ABN with Nathan, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen, and Linda Shelton were present.

2. I saw again Nathan, his mother Linda, and Brenda at Dr. Arild Abrhamsen's place in Norway where Brenda gathered the material for her stories.

3. As things developed I received more than a hundred e-mail from Danny and from Linda, I was in phone conversations with Linda, Danny, Walt Thompson, and others involved.

4. I was in the 3ABN area and had talks with Danny Shelton, Walt Thompson, John Lomacang, Nick Miller - just to name some of the main individuals´ - at the camp meeting time in 2004 and when Linda got fired from 3ABN.

5. Then my wife, Irmgard, and I spent all that time with Dr. Arild in Norway that Danny claimed he had been with Linda in Florida. Therefore I knew that Danny was not telling the truth. He and Brenda were just brewing up some stories to make it possible for Danny to marry someone else - and this is also what Danny wrote me telling me the only reason he accepted some counseling was to find reasons why he could marry someone else. This was at the time when Linda was still doing all she could to save the marriage. What does that tell you? No consideration of any feelings?

6. Therefore I'd maintain that I saw/experienced more first hand of what was going on than most of the people sitting in an office at 3ABN who mainly heard the chants of Danny Shelton and Walt Thompson why Linda was fired.

Johann, that is a convincing report of how you had firsthand knowledge of what was going on!