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[Adam]

Fran has accused me of lying to her several years ago.  I am not certain what she references as she and I have not discussed this in any depth.  However, here is what she references, I THINK?

I once moderated a 3ABN discussion on CA.  Fran asked me permission to post THE TELEVANGELIST.    I breifly looked at it and it was posted.  After it was posted I read it in detail.  I promptly deleted it as I would not allow what I read to be posted.  All in all it lasted in CA for 15 - 20 minutes.  I think that she claims I lied to her because I removed it after reading it in detail and after telling her it could be posted.

The bottom line:  I made a mistake.  My brief review did not give me a clear picture of what was in the document.  After reading it in detail, I removed it, which is exactly what should have been done.  I was right to remove it.  I was wrong in telling Fran that it could be posted at a time when I had not read it in detail and did not fully understand what was in the document.  I was right in removing it after I read it.

To anyone who wants to charge me with lying to Fran in first telling her that it could be posted and then changing my mind, I will accept that.  I was wrong.  I was not wrong in removing it.  By removing it, I corrected an error in judgement that I made when I first allowed it to be posted.

Your ego seems to grow by the minute Gregory.  Do you honestly think you are helping this situation? No, you arent. I honestly think you are eating this up.  Get off it.  If Johann felt compelled to share that, who are you to judge?  As Fran said the only one accountable for this being posted is the poster.  We understand your oppinion you do not think it was right...so move on...

[Gregory]

sonshine said:

I have knowledge that Linda has not been involved in whats been posted or not been posted. Also, she  does not even come to this site.

Good.  Let Johanm clear her.  I will believe what he says.  If he says she was not involved in any way I will believe it.  As I have said:  The Linda I once knew would not have wanted that comment published.

However, as Johann remains silent there are those who believe his silence is a coverup for Linda being involved.   That silence is not serving her well.

[sonshineonme]

By golly Gregory, I do believe you are calling me a liar. I told you Linda had nothing to do with it and that's not good enough for you? Interesting.

sonshine said:

I have knowledge that Linda has not been involved in whats been posted or not been posted. Also, she  does not even come to this site.

Good.  Let Johanm clear her.  I will believe what he says.  If he says she was not involved in any way I will believe it.  As I have said:  The Linda I once knew would not have wanted that comment published.

However, as Johann remains silent there are those who believe his silence is a coverup for Linda being involved.   That silence is not serving her well.

[Gregory]

Samuelthomas:  Fran accused me of lying to her.  I acknowledged that I made an error in judgment.  If my admission of making an error in judgement (which was the subject of your citation) makes you think I have a big ego, so be it.  I can live with that.  Continue to push me and you will continue to see me respond.

[Bob Pickle]

One more thing I would like to add here, in my opinion Shelly Quinn is not one to talk bad about others. I have never heard of her saying anything negative about Linda or Alyssa, much less Nathan, and no one accusing 3abn of slandering Linda has ever supplied one quote written or televised of Shelly Quinn ever even mentioning them either before, or after this broadcast.

Are you therefore accusing Shelley of error when she referred to Salome being caught in a web of deceit? In what way did Salome or Herodias deceive anyone in the biblical story?

Remember, 3ABN refused to produce any information regarding that broadcast, which suggests culpability to me. At the very least, Danny should have nixed that script since it could easily be understood as being an attack against Linda and Alyssa.

If you don't think that broadcast was intended to be such an attack, you are extremely naive.

[Gregory]

Sonshine said:

By golly Gregory, I do believe you are calling me a liar. I told you Linda had nothing to do with it and that's not good enough for you? Interesting.

Absolutely not.  I do not call you a liar. In fact I do not call you misinformed.  What you said would clearly be true for the Linda I once knew.

Johann posted that he was asked to post the letter.  His statement has caused people to believe that Linda requested him to post it.  He needs to clairfy his statement by making a clear statemetn that Linda was not involved.

No, I do not imply that you are either a liar or misinformed.  Thank you for allowing me to clairfy my intent.

[ex3abnemployee]

Sonshine said:

By golly Gregory, I do believe you are calling me a liar. I told you Linda had nothing to do with it and that's not good enough for you? Interesting.

Absolutely not.  I do not call you a liar. In fact I do not call you misinformed.  What you said would clearly be true for the Linda I once knew.

Johann posted that he was asked to post the letter.  His statement has caused people to believe that Linda requested him to post it.  He needs to clairfy his statement by making a clear statemetn that Linda was not involved.

No, I do not imply that you are either a liar or misinformed.  Thank you for allowing me to clairfy my intent.

In other words, you want the name of the person who asked him to post it. That will be the next question from someone.

[sonshineonme]

Gregory, I appreciate that, but, it still sounds as tho you don't believe you got your answer. You got your answer, what difference is it who tells you? And, would you explain to me how what Johann said "leads people to believe that LINDA requested him to post it" You know, I've found throughout this WHOLE thing, people believe what they want to, not what the facts show  or the character of a person shows. No matter what anyone says, if someone wants to believe it anyway, they will. And for those people, I could care less, because people who have common sense will KNOW what's true, and certainly by now. You can't help people who are simply ignorant or bias or have so much ego vested in the Sheltons/3ABN that they can never just accept what truth is. That's that. They are who they are and my guess is they live their lives making decisions about everything else important just the same way - what they WANT to believe.

Sonshine said:

By golly Gregory, I do believe you are calling me a liar. I told you Linda had nothing to do with it and that's not good enough for you? Interesting.

Absolutely not.  I do not call you a liar. In fact I do not call you misinformed.  What you said would clearly be true for the Linda I once knew.

Johann posted that he was asked to post the letter.  His statement has caused people to believe that Linda requested him to post it.  He needs to clairfy his statement by making a clear statemetn that Linda was not involved.

No, I do not imply that you are either a liar or misinformed.  Thank you for allowing me to clairfy my intent.

[Gregory]

Sonshine, I agree that some people will not believe regardless of what is said.  If Johann makes a statement one way or another, some will not beleive it.

Johann is rightly thought to be very close to Linda.  It is that close relationship that he has with Linda that causes soome people to beleive that when he says he was asked to post, it was Linda who asked him to post.  From that perspective, he is the only one who can clairfy his statement that he was asked to post the letter.  He, as he wishes can identify the person who asked him.  If he wishes he can tell us that Linda had nothing to do with the posting.  She did not ask him to post.  She did not provide a copy of the letter. 

You may be 100% correct in your statement that Linda had nothing to do with it.  But, Johann, due to his statement is the only person who can clairfy what he said.

His continued silence is not serving Linda well.  His continued silence contributes to the perception that Linda was involved.

[Murcielago]

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt Linda cares what those people think, any more than they care what she thinks. They are people who will believe what is convenient to them, people to whom truth is irrelevant except as it can be made to fit the reality they choose to invent.

[Bob Pickle]

The following email was relayed to me along with the request that it be posted as written. I have complied with that request and post it now exactly as I received it and with no commentary.

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For my part, as an individual very much involved in the events under discussion, and as chairman of the board of 3ABN during the time under discussion, I hereby wish to express my sorrow for any wrongs I have done, or any wrongs done by other members of the 3ABN community to those who have been hurt.

***
 
Walter Thompson
Chairman, 3ABN Board of Directors

Confession ought to be specific, and there really is no reason why Walt can't be. Will Walt here apologize for his failure to contact any of Tommy's alleged victims or their families as requested by a non-Adventist pastor in 2003? Will Walt apologize here for the lies he has told about us behind our backs, and for supporting 3ABN's suit against us for blowing the whistle against alleged pedophile Tommy Shelton?

I would be interesting in hearing from Walt's wife as to what she thinks about Walt's involvement in conspiracies to cover up child molestation allegations against Tommy and to privately inure Danny Shelton.

[Gregory]

ex3abnemplooyee said:

In other words, you want the name of the person who asked him to post it. That will be the next question from someone.

That is up to Johann.  He can provide the name if he wants to do so.  Or, as I have said, he can make a clear statement that Linda had nothing to do with it.  She did not ask him to post.  She did not provide the copy of the letter.  She did not know he was going to post, or she did know, she objected and he posted anyway.  

I do not care what Johann says.  I am simply asking for a clear statement about Linda.  I do not care whether or not he gives a name.

[sonshineonme]

You have not told me what makes you or anyone even think that Linda would have something to do with it?

ex3abnemplooyee said:

In other words, you want the name of the person who asked him to post it. That will be the next question from someone.

That is up to Johann.  He can provide the name if he wants to do so.  Or, as I have said, he can make a clear statement that Lilnda had nothing to do with it.  She did not ask him to post.  She did not provide the copy of the letter.  She did not know he was going to post, or she did know, she objected and he posted anyway.  

I do not care what Johann says.  I am simply asking for a clear statement about Linda.  I do not care whether or not he gives a name.

[Gregory]

Sonshine, here is what I said to you as to why some peple believe Linda was involved:

Johann is rightly thought to be very close to Linda.  It is that close relationship that he has with Linda that causes soome people to beleive that when he says he was asked to post, it was Linda who asked him to post.

You do not have to agree with it.  But, in my opinion that is why.  Johann needs to clairfy his statement.  He does not need to give a name.

[ex3abnemployee]

Although I believe what sonshineonme says, I'm still trying to figure out why it even matters whether it was Linda or not.