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[Pat Williams]

That is sad, I am sure they were devastated after trying everything they could.  I hadn't paid much attention to that portion of the letter, but if Dr. A doesn't have proof for that one, he should probably let that go.  No need in traumatizing the family any further.

UNBELIEVABLE! You didn't read that portion of the letter, but you read Dr Thompson's response to that part of the letter (quoted below) and replied to it by saying (about someone you don't know, and events you have no knowledge of )and said "Well, WT, that was a good peice of spin........sigh...........Ok mrst53, sadly, I have to agree with Tinka..."  ?!?

You agree with Tinka? The Tinka who knows no one and nothing but what 3 abn's accusers say? The Tinka who wrote this? (Even knowing that she is talking about the Chairman of the board who wanted to investigate and talk to Alyssa due to the letter Johann allegedly mailed out, but who was "admittedly" told by Johann, no, you are biased, her statement is enough,and left with his hands tied and no way to proceed with that? Johann who just posted a letter from DR A stating "Pastor Thorvalsson tried to do just that.  It is my understanding that this matter came to your attention.  Yet Alyssa was never contacted.  The matter was dropped. "  while Johann knows that is NOT true? and has posted here his justifications for not allowing anyone to question Alyssa?

Tinka wrote:

 Anyman,
If you were an honest person as you proclaim WT is, you should realize Walt T. letter would have read completely different in context to portray his undivided attention for the bottom of truth and that he would do everything he could to get to truth then deny some of it and all of it, and that He would chase down all information until he got it for the benefit of all.  He is quite educated to be "flowery" for good reason. flowery comes out when guilty complex prevails. Now the most reasonable theory is that if it is true about his daughter and you can surly expect denial as the rest of denial for everything else would be surely as easy.  Actually if that is true, he ought to be in jail for what he did. and yes, that would be a most understandable thing a daughter might do if a father did such a thing.  Of all the worst stories I've heard on here so far. This is it. The daughter evidently had a conscience that she no longer could live with. Is it true his daughter commited suicide? Did she have abortion. This sort of thing is so bad that most good people cannot think of such things...

 


And you think you are innocent of traumatizing the family? Think again.


Here's the heartfelt answer and challenge to Linda's friend, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to document his accusations, and prove them, and WT's statement that "Of course, he will not, for he cannot. They do not exist, and never have." which you responded to, and called  "spin". aka - a lie.

The following email was relayed to me along with the request that it be posted as written. I have complied with that request and post it now exactly as I received it and with no commentary.

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On June 3, 2010, an exchange of letters posted on the Internet was forwarded to me to read. The first letter, dated March 25, 2010, was posted under the name of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen, and was addressed to Elder Mark Finley. Elder Finley replied to that letter on the same date. A letter under the name of Dr. Abrahamsen was returned to Elder Finley on March 26, 2010.
 
In the letter sent under the name of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to Elder Finley Dr. Abrahamsen wrote the following paragraph, " I realize that you are good friends with Walt Thompson and that you listened to "his version" of the events that occurred.  But are you aware that Walt Thompson performed an abortion on his own daughter?  Are you aware that she committed suicide a short time after this abortion?  He doesn't sound like a great source to obtain information to me."

Since this accusation has repercussions far beyond myself and my family, and impacts upon the God to whom I have dedicated my life in service, His church, and its ministries, I must challenge Dr. Abrahamsen to provide documentation defending the accuracy of his statement. Of course, he will not, for he cannot. They do not exist, and never have.  
 
Elder Finley is correct when he states in his response to Dr. Abrahamsen, "While I fully recognize that this unfortunate situation has brought significant pain to a number of people, I note a number of inaccuracies in the assumptions you have made. Some certainly do not harmonize with the facts as I understand them."
 
There are many reasons why inaccuracies and assumptions may arise in situations such as this. Often, two people may witness the same incident, but see it in very different ways--both being true in the minds of the witnesses. On other occasions, past experiences may influence our understanding of facts, giving us varied ways of interpreting the facts we observe. Sometimes, pertinent facts are unavailable for first person witness, leading interested individuals to make assumptions that may or may not be accurate. On yet other occasions, facts are intentionally distorted or fabricated in an effort to deceive--sometimes very effectively!
 
Undoubtedly all of these factors have contributed to the pain that has been experienced by so many in recent years in regards to the issues leading to Dr. Abrahamsen's letter. For the reasons given here, some things will remain a mystery so long as life may last here on earth. Only in that better land may we hope to see truth in all of its facets. Until then, we must go on, walking by faith, trusting the promises of God that, "All things work together for good to those that love God and are called according to His purpose," Romans 8:28.
 
For my part, as an individual very much involved in the events under discussion, and as chairman of the board of 3ABN during the time under discussion, I hereby wish to express my sorrow for any wrongs I have done, or any wrongs done by other members of the 3ABN community to those who have been hurt. Though we are all human and sometimes fail to live up to our highest aspirations, never has there been the least intent to mislead or cause pain. For the hurting ones (on both sides of the conflict) my heart aches, and for these I pray each day. Through these difficult times 3ABN's theme song has been severely tested, but remains our constant quest, "I want to spend my life healing broken people." We all do!
 
Will we ever agree on all points? Likely not! Will we ever see eye to eye? Perhaps not until we cross the river into that better world, but my plea is that we love one another in word and deed, proving by that love that God is our Father, and we, His faithful and true sons and daughters.
 
Jesus said, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you: That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for He makes His sun shine on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust," Matthew 5:44, 45.
 
Let us love one another!
 
Walter Thompson
Chairman, 3ABN Board of Directors

[ex3abnemployee]

There is no pornography there. Why are you lying again, Johann?

Johann is not lying.  There HAS indeed been porn at that site - another reason why I call it "the smut site".  Just because you might not have seen it does not mean it wasn't there.  I think you owe Johann an apology.

Well we'll just have to disagree, because "I think" it is you who owes the apologies, but I won't hold my breath waiting on any.

I also saw it.

[tinka]

3D,
Why don't you understand that most families where red lights are blinking that they turned the red lights on all by their selves. Then you got the rest of them covering. You got the wrong idea when these situation are into the "money" making by deceiving and using sympathy of the innocent to pay them.  This is better then the Nigerian scams. of course all of them use the American soft talking religion. I've had a few sent my way and religion is in all of them.

Strange things happen, you know kinda like the email mix ups right at this pertinent time. Don't know why or how it happened-- but in my hand is your email back and I think discussing of lying.... lays spoken.  You are explaining what you very well knew and they knew. so why did you tell it??? was it a lie???

and you think the public should not be outragged over thievery of funds and misuse? One thing for sure 3d, just like vander sloot. Evil sprouts and blossoms in the next season to the view of all. Like I said just too much is wrong in the "clan".  Only a couple escaped Waco too.

[tinka]

Duane,

I thought all that info came from you out of the blue and that is why you never knew what I was talking about when I responded back. I did not divuldge the info when discovering that 3d was sending personal email to me with "her" info. so we will just let that be as "who knows for sure "validity" for the time being. There was terrible mixup of emails.  I still do not know if my emails went to right party under their email address.
I was thinking after that episode that someone was able to look into this site and see what they wanted to see and redirect them.  IN fact it just hit my mind that my IPS number could be traced.

[Pat Williams]

Duane,

I thought all that info came from you out of the blue and that is why you never knew what I was talking about when I responded back. I did not divuldge the info when discovering that 3d was sending personal email to me with "her" info. so we will just let that be as "who knows for sure "validity" for the time being. There was terrible mixup of emails.  I still do not know if my emails went to right party under their email address.
I was thinking after that episode that someone was able to look into this site and see what they wanted to see and redirect them.  IN fact it just hit my mind that my IPS number could be traced.

Look, I have never emailed Tinka. I don't even know her email address, where her secret website is, or what her ISP# is. I do think that following her own logic and reasoning and justifications she should consider that all of the injustice, and lies against she and hers which occured as she constantly proclaims and says happened in her case, should be laid at her own door, just as she  lays them at the feet of others as she asked me: "Why don't you understand that most families where red lights are blinking that they turned the red lights on all by their selves Then you got the rest of them covering.  "As you judge so shall you be judged", right? She gives no benefit of the doubt or mercy, so is she entitled to it? Not according to herself...


Here's what she is talking about and what actually happened. I just sent a pm here on this forum to Tinka to answer a question which she first asked me here on this forum, and she replied calling me "Duane" repeatedly and referring to things "Duane" told her, and blah blah blah.. I told her straightaway she was wrong,as soon as she did so in my very first reply to her, and informed her she was mistaken, and that I was not Duane. I have revealed nothing she said about her private conversations with Duane and won't, as it was said in confidence while she was under a misunderstanding and confused ,but it does affect my opinion of her.

To err on the side of kindness, that is my opinion of the majority of her posts as well. "clueless, suffering under a misunderstanding, and confused"

moving on...

[tinka]

1. Lets, just say I was mailed personal mail from you for the first time on these posts.
2. You do not know of our case but some do and no it was nothing to do with anything that was our fault but greed greed for what we had after we thought we would be helping a situation out. Then to our discovery it was take over time and tried to force taking all. We discovered their corruption of plans through buyers that knew us.
3. I never asked you anything about any porno as at that point until posted on here that I knew anything at all pertaining to it. You offered it and said it. Now you deny it and I have the proof.
4. and I am not going to divuldge it here. It might be a lie too.

[princessdi]

Now, 3D, I may have misspoke so I will try again.  I didn't really pay attention to that portion of the email, because my focus was on the fact the Dr. A was addressing these issues to Pastor Finley, what his response would be.   As wrong as I believe Danny and WT are, I still do not believe it is fair game to inflict undue pain upon his granddaughters and his wife.  These were not their actions.  They were the actions of Danny and the 3ABN board of whom WT is/was chair.  You confront them on those actions, not their families.  His wife wrote a letter to let them know just how much this has hurt her and the granddaughters.  That requires an apology, as I am sure they were not the intended targets of this confrontation.  I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Dr. A should not have written Pastor Finley for some kind of resolution, only that he went a bit overboard in his zeal to get that resolution.  

3D, both sides have, gone overboard and been completely out of line to discredit, even destroy those on the other side of this conflict, and you know I have always called them on it, no matter who it was.  I don't agree with the people here who believe Danny every waking breath is evil and he is the spawn of satan.  I remind them all the time that he is their brother in Christ(whether they like or or not as Go created us all), and he is not beyond God's love or forgiveness.  The same can be said of your side, everyone who is against Danny is not evil and trying to destroy God's work, and I will tell you the same thing about them being your brothers and sisters in Christ.   You know I have been for a truce in this matter for a very long time, as both sides seem to be employing the devil's tools to attempt to do what they believe is God's work, and it is getting real messy.  Now, what more do you want me to say than the comments about WT's daughter made by Dr. A were wrong and he should apologize?

It is not a black or white issues.  I can agree with most of what Dr. A was saying......you see I liked that phrase he used........and still know that it was wrong for him to go for the jugular like that.    Still two wrongs don't make a right.

[ex3abnemployee]

Duane,

I thought all that info came from you out of the blue and that is why you never knew what I was talking about when I responded back. I did not divuldge the info when discovering that 3d was sending personal email to me with "her" info. so we will just let that be as "who knows for sure "validity" for the time being. There was terrible mixup of emails.  I still do not know if my emails went to right party under their email address.
I was thinking after that episode that someone was able to look into this site and see what they wanted to see and redirect them.  IN fact it just hit my mind that my IPS number could be traced.

Look, I have never emailed Tinka. I don't even know her email address, where her secret website is, or what her ISP# is. I do think that following her own logic and reasoning and justifications she should consider that all of the injustice, and lies against she and hers which occured as she constantly proclaims and says happened in her case, should be laid at her own door, just as she  lays them at the feet of others as she asked me: "Why don't you understand that most families where red lights are blinking that they turned the red lights on all by their selves Then you got the rest of them covering.  "As you judge so shall you be judged", right? She gives no benefit of the doubt or mercy, so is she entitled to it? Not according to herself...


Here's what she is talking about and what actually happened. I just sent a pm here on this forum to Tinka to answer a question which she first asked me here on this forum, and she replied calling me "Duane" repeatedly and referring to things "Duane" told her, and blah blah blah.. I told her straightaway she was wrong,as soon as she did so in my very first reply to her, and informed her she was mistaken, and that I was not Duane. I have revealed nothing she said about her private conversations with Duane and won't, as it was said in confidence while she was under a misunderstanding and confused ,but it does affect my opinion of her.

To err on the side of kindness, that is my opinion of the majority of her posts as well. "clueless, suffering under a misunderstanding, and confused"

moving on...

I have to admit I am at a complete loss as to what just happened here.

[Pat Williams]

3. I never asked you anything about any porno as at that point until posted on here that I knew anything at all pertaining to it. You offered it and said it. Now you deny it and I have the proof.
4. and I am not going to divuldge it here. It might be a lie too.

-- removed reply --

I merely want to clarify that I offered porno to no one.

[Sister]

3D said:

Here's the heartfelt answer and challenge to Linda's friend, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to document his accusations, and prove them, and WT's statement that "Of course, he will not, for he cannot. They do not exist, and never have." which you responded to, and called  "spin". aka - a lie.

I remember when Linda Shelton's reputation was slandered by false accusations. I remember the pain it caused not only Linda, also but her family. She lost her employment, her accusers actively attempted to stop any opportunity she was offered for Christian ministry. I remember when both she and her daughter were accused on an international television broadcast of bearing false witness against Danny, although Alyssa was the victim of sexual molestation by Danny Shelton, the man who had raised her as a daughter (emotionally that makes it more like incest). All the time Danny claimed to have evidence concerning Linda's "sin". When Linda asked Danny and the board of 3ABN to release the evidence publically, knowing that no evidence existed, they refused.

I agree, it would have been better if the information released about Walt Thompson had not been presented here, without the documentation to support the accusations. But what about the pain that Linda and her children have endured, not for just a few days on an obscure website, but televised by 3ABN over the entire world? Nor for only a few days, but for years. I feel pity for the Thompson family over the death of their child. I feel pity for Linda Shelton and her children for the humiliation and the murdering of their reputations.

This all started with a unscrupulous man who decided he wanted to put away his wife, be viewed as the injured party Bibically and had no problem manufacturing lies where no evidence existed. For what reason? Only God and Danny know for certain...

[tinka]

3d


Now we are getting down to what the problem of your confusion is. Lack of reading and understanding as this is ongoing with you with almost everything you post. Someone says something and you come up with clear different concoctions.

You offered no porn to go watch as you say. I did not say you were doing that.

You offer the porn info on "who's" doing it at 3abn that they all know about. Have you got memory now?? and I simply asked if you were lying about that.  This does not agree with what you have been posting as you continually rearrange your concoctions in a spinning illusion.

This is typical behavior of a liar.

Makes no difference on "who" it is the fact that if someone found "Brandy" on porno on Internet, DS knew it or had to look. So I feel Dr. had every right to put the truth to Mark Finley as he is a leader who has wonderful intelligence in perception of Bible but evidently lacks perception of what this could do to the SDA characterization. This is not the problem of outside public that catch on but to the father who constantly will cover or continues to give "flowery" speeches. The board letter was disgusting.  They already got Waco & followers under their belts and others of the same kind of following and now this. This takes really stupid and uneducated people that can not think for theirselves to follow after this and defend DS.
People out there still handle the rattlers. Just don't know any better. Really is a shame.

I didn't think the Dr. would put his self out on a limb if the "porno info" was not there for visual proof.

[Gregory]

There is no real good resolution of this situation.  It was wrong for the alligation that Dr. Thompson has performed an abortation on his daughter after which she shortly commited suicide to be publicly posted here.  The letter that Dr. A. wrote to a General Vice-President of the General Conference was a private letter.  As posted here it was just as wrong as it was to publicly post the private letter of Linda's daughter against her will.   Every person associated with the posting of Dr. A's letter shoudl be ashamed of themselves and should publicly post an apology to the Thompson family seeking their forgiveness.

The public posting of Dr. A's commente has understandably caused pain to memebers of the Thompson famly who have had nothing to do with the alleged sins of 3-ABN and the Shelton family.   It was wrong to involve them as has been done.  The allegation has been denied.  Dr. A. has been challenged to produce the evidence.  The ball in now in his court and he has the following choices:
1) He can publicly produce the evidence that he implies that he has.  The Thompson famly has asked that he do so.
2) He can review the evidence for his claim, decide that it is unsubstantiated, publicly acknowledge that he was wrong and ask forgiveness.  If he does not have the evidence to support his alligation, it would be the response of a person of honor to acknowledge such.
3) He can simply ignore the demand that he produce the evidence.  This would not be the response of a person of honor.


This situation is compounded by the fact that Linda may be hurt by what Dr. A. has claimed.  He has supported Linda in the charges made against her.  If he refuses to respond to the demand by the Thompson famly that he produce the evidence some are going to believe that he made a false statement.  They will ask:  If he made a false statement in this respect, why should we believe that other statements made in support of Linda were true.  Perhaps they were false.  Dr. A. should respond for the sake of LInda.

Well, the next step is up to him.

It looks like there is no good resolution, but he needs to do something.

[Adam]

There is no real good resolution of this situation.  It was wrong for the alligation that Dr. Thompson has performed an abortation on his daughter after which she shortly commited suicide to be publicly posted here.  The letter that Dr. A. wrote to a General Vice-President of the General Conference was a private letter.  As posted here it was just as wrong as it was to publicly post the private letter of Linda's daughter against her will.   Every person associated with the posting of Dr. A's letter shoudl be ashamed of themselves and should publicly post an apology to the Thompson family seeking their forgiveness.

The public posting of Dr. A's commente has understandably caused pain to memebers of the Thompson famly who have had nothing to do with the alleged sins of 3-ABN and the Shelton family.   It was wrong to involve them as has been done.  The allegation has been denied.  Dr. A. has been challenged to produce the evidence.  The ball in now in his court and he has the following choices:
1) He can publicly produce the evidence that he implies that he has.  The Thompson famly has asked that he do so.
2) He can review the evidence for his claim, decide that it is unsubstantiated, publicly acknowledge that he was wrong and ask forgiveness.  If he does not have the evidence to support his alligation, it would be the response of a person of honor to acknowledge such.
3) He can simply ignore the demand that he produce the evidence.  This would not be the response of a person of honor.


This situation is compounded by the fact that Linda may be hurt by what Dr. A. has claimed.  He has supported Linda in the charges made against her.  If he refuses to respond to the demand by the Thompson famly that he produce the evidence some are going to believe that he made a false statement.  They will ask:  If he made a false statement in this respect, why should we believe that other statements made in support of Linda were true.  Perhaps they were false.  Dr. A. should respond for the sake of LInda.

Well, the next step is up to him.

It looks like ther is no good resolution, but he needs to do something.

I believe that statement is inaccurate. I think Dr. Thompson has done plenty too cover up things ongoing at 3ABN.

--edited to clarify.--

[Gregory]

Samuelthomas:  You are entitled to beleive that.  NOTE:  I did not say it was valid.  You are entitled to argue your point and to state your position.  But, in doing so focus on Dr. Thompson, 3-ABN, Danny Shelton and the specifics of what you believe to be their related sins.

It is simply wrong in an attempt to smear Dr. Thompson to involve Thompson family members who have nothing to do with the issues that should be of central focus.  Tell me:  What does the fact that a Thompson daughter was pregnant at the age of 16 have to do with the central issues--nothing.  Dr. A. did not claim that Danny got her pregnant!

This type of stuff should be left out of the discussion.

You are seen as being on one side of this discussion.  How would you feel is someone attacked you by accusing you, or a family member, of a sexual sin?  What if they accused you, or a daughter, of some crime?  What if it was true?  Focus on the central issues.  Leave other famly members out of it.

There is nothing fair in the public posting of the claim of Dr. A. in regard to the Thompson family and everyone associated with this public posting should be ashamed of themselves and make a public apology.

[Adam]

Samuelthomas:  You are entitled to beleive that.  NOTE:  I did not say it was valid.  You are entitled to argue your point and to state your position.  But, in doing so focus on Dr. Thompson, 3-ABN, Danny Shelton and the specifics of what you believe to be their related sins.

It is simply wrong in an attempt to smear Dr. Thompson to involve Thompson family members who have nothing to do with the issues that should be of central focus.  Tell me:  What does the fact that a Thompson daughter was pregnant at the age of 16 have to do with the central issues--nothing.  Dr. A. did not claim that Danny got her pregnant!

This type of stuff should be left out of the discussion.

You are seen as being on one side of this discussion.  How would you feel is someone attacked you by accusing you, or a family member, of a sexual sin?  What if they accused you, or a daughter, of some crime?  What if it was true?  Focus on the central issues.  Leave other famly members out of it.

There is nothing fair in the public posting of the claim of Dr. A. in regard to the Thompson family and everyone associated with this public posting should be ashamed of themselves and make a public apology.

I think that my position has been made clear, and remains steadfast.