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[tinka]

I wonder why they do not in a court of law do the same as all is brought out in character witnesses. Nothing is barred seems like.
If someone has proof then one must decide just what kind of character to prove one is.  

Just want to say one thing on here. I knew a family of the same caliber you claim this family is and has done. This family was very educated and pilliars of the church. You have no idea at the end of their lives the truth that came out. It's been a year now and I will never get over it.  It would not even be believable if I told it It is just as terrible.  It all came out when I lost my mother and this horrendous truth came out and put me in hospital for 2weeks as I thought I was loosing it for being so stupid of ones character of a close friend of the family that I had for a lifetime . I will not trust no man after this. and this has the same sounding tinkling of a cracked bell.  I also could spell it out, prove with documents and witnesses of what went down. I am so sick from it that I cannot go over it. But if it was for proof of ones character for truth, you can trust one thing I know the truth of what these pillars really were.  Even a very close relative of this person told me they were so sorry I had to go through what I did but really they were like that their whole life.  What can you do about this?? not a thing they are both dead. Just leaves you sick and mentally distressed that you were so stupid and trusting for so many many years. I even felt God was against us to let that person deceive us and all happen like it did. Still do not understand it.

[Adam]

Why would I think my comments were professional?  I was speaking from my heart in many ways.  Do you understand that?

You obviously have a huge dog in this fight. One would wonder whos side are you on.  Your comments would leave a logical person to believe that you, yourself, are not even sure.

[princessdi]

Thank you!!!!!  Somebody agrees with me finally!!!!  Thank you Pastor Johann!!!!

Everybody ignores my question if it is not time to call for a truce? Do you all just want to keep on fighting?

Let me just state that I was asked to post those letters. Don't they give an idea how intense the "fighting" has been? Many inappropriate things have been said. Some will claim that these are by far the worst examples.

Gregory, you may think your comments are professional - then lets get something positively done. Now is the time for action, . .

[tinka]

So tell me how does evil and good come together, how do you live with right and wrong under the same roof or same denomination, how shall the honest keep giving to the evil and how will this record go down as sympathy for evil that will be carried into damnation because just to weak to stand up. Devil did a good job.

[Wendall]

Gregory,

No cause of action for defamation libel(written) or slander(spoken) if the statement or statements are true. Conversely if the statement or statements are not true then defamation is actionable.  However, there are other torts under invasion of privacy such as intrusion upon ones private seclusion, false light in the public eye, or public disclosure of private facts that maybe more appropriate.

I would think that accusing Brandy of being a nude dancer and giving birth to a child with the father being a televangelist as alleged in the first part of this forum, seemingly to imply the father is DS, if not true is easily recognizable as defamation.

Guess what everybody, the close of probation is very close. GET READY!

[princessdi]

Ok people, so I am blessed int hat a good many of my posts get ignored......LOL!!!  However,  no matter what WT and DS did, one is only responsible for their own actions.  Just because they did wrong doesn't mean it is right to do wrong back to them.....especially if we are calling ourselves Christians..........two wrongs never make a right.  Tinka, it is not the same a being in the courts system, they don't claim to be christian but to uphold the laws of the land.  And in a court of law, they just can't say anything to discredit a witness.  You have to undermine their credibility related to the situation.  

Now don't get me wrong, I believe Dr. A had a right to walk right up to 3ABN compound and tag Danny's shady behind.   And man to man just knocked WT upside his head for being a wimpy chairman when he should have done the right thing and also sat Danny lying behind down, and some a real investigation into to demise of this marriage.  Sorry......every onst in a while sista gurl comes out.  However, Dr. A by no means has the right to inflict this type of pain on the innocence of this woman's daughters, her mother and the rest of her family.  

[Johann]

Gregory, I should have said that you are a professional. You have told us you have taken courses. So lets get going!

[princessdi]

These things have already been discussed......over and over again....you dont' remember that entire mess about the paternity test on the child in the parking lot?   And Brandy's past has been talked about from the beginning. AT BSDA, I think something was mentioned about something found on the internet.  They wouldhave to sue a whole lot of other people long before now.

Gregory,

No cause of action for defamation libel(written) or slander(spoken) if the statement or statements are true. Conversely if the statement or statements are not true then defamation is actionable.  However, there are other torts under invasion of privacy such as intrusion upon ones private seclusion, false light in the public eye, or public disclosure of private facts that maybe more appropriate.

I would think that accusing Brandy of being a nude dancer and giving birth to a child with the father being a televangelist as alleged in the first part of this forum, seemingly to imply the father is DS, if not true is easily recognizable as defamation.

Guess what everybody, the close of probation is very close. GET READY!

[Adam]

Ok people, so I am blessed int hat a good many of my posts get ignored......LOL!!!  However,  no matter what WT and DS did, one is only responsible for their own actions.  Just because they did wrong doesn't mean it is right to do wrong back to them.....especially if we are calling ourselves Christians..........two wrongs never make a right.  Tinka, it is not the same a being in the courts system, they don't claim to be christian but to uphold the laws of the land.  And in a court of law, they just can't say anything to discredit a witness.  You have to undermine their credibility related to the situation.  

Now don't get me wrong, I believe Dr. A had a right to walk right up to 3ABN compound and tag Danny's shady behind.   And man to man just knocked WT upside his head for being a wimpy chairman when he should have done the right thing and also sat Danny lying behind down, and some a real investigation into to demise of this marriage.  Sorry......every onst in a while sista gurl comes out.  However, Dr. A by no means has the right to inflict this type of pain on the innocence of this woman's daughters, her mother and the rest of her family.  

I agree with you completely, on all aspects of this post. Thank you.

[tinka]

Di, unless he knows the truth.

For sure one needs to bring in the    as it is not a church matter anymore but a civil because they have went against the law of the land and all moral actions against all spoken of in the Bible. I believe they have.  So you all gonna cover too under the banner of SDA chuch. There will be consequences of the hidden sin ... If true it will appear and surface again only to let you know you goofed it. ONes actions good or evil can test many.

[Johann]

Ok people, so I am blessed int hat a good many of my posts get ignored......LOL!!!  However,  no matter what WT and DS did, one is only responsible for their own actions.  Just because they did wrong doesn't mean it is right to do wrong back to them.....especially if we are calling ourselves Christians..........two wrongs never make a right.  Tinka, it is not the same a being in the courts system, they don't claim to be christian but to uphold the laws of the land.  And in a court of law, they just can't say anything to discredit a witness.  You have to undermine their credibility related to the situation.  

Now don't get me wrong, I believe Dr. A had a right to walk right up to 3ABN compound and tag Danny's shady behind.   And man to man just knocked WT upside his head for being a wimpy chairman when he should have done the right thing and also sat Danny lying behind down, and some a real investigation into to demise of this marriage.  Sorry......every onst in a while sista gurl comes out.  However, Dr. A by no means has the right to inflict this type of pain on the innocence of this woman's daughters, her mother and the rest of her family.  

Are you saying we should just keep on fighting who has said the worst things ´- so that the fighting can go on?

[Adam]

I believe this was uncalled for.  This was about as Un-Christian as you can get. I feel that the author of this post owes Pastor Johann an appology. Shame on you Cindy, for allowing this over at your site.
Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
by proffaberf451 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:12 am UTC

Johann Thorvaldson, the supposed pastor from Scandinavia has publically admitted that he is a liar and should have his pastoral credentials revoked and he should be censured by the division that oversees his activities if not the General Conference.

For years Johann Thorvaldson has claimed that there is no evidence to substantiate the claims against Linda Shelton. Today, a day after publishing a vile and despicable lie about the 3ABN Board of Directors Chairman, he responded to a challenge for evidence with the following:

Dr Arild Abrahamsen tells me he has documentation for what he wrote. At least as much documentation as the others have for all of their false rumors. Perhaps Mrs. Thompson now understands what sorrows her husband has caused Linda Shelton?

Since he has claimed that there is no evidence against Linda Shelton, this is tantamount to a public admission that he is engaged in lying as a means to defend his position. An admitted tit-for-tat. He knows the truth but refuses to admit it because of his blind loyalty to Linda Shelton - the source of his current lying endeavor. A retired pastor, he has evidenced that he has left behind all of the beliefs that he claimed to hold true when he occupied a pulpit. He has evidenced that he no longer believes in the fundamental beliefs of this faith, nor does he believe in the Ten Commandments. His credentials should be immediately revoked and he should be barred from speaking from any pulpit in any church in this world by both his division and the General Conference.

One has to wonder why he is so blindly adherent to Linda Shelton. He has obviously believed any and all lies she has feed him, whether directly or through the quasi-doctor Abrahamsen. He can no longer be trusted to lead, nor counsel, in the name of the church or in the name of the Savior. He has abdicated his role in the Lord's work and taken up with the devil's side instead.

[tinka]

These things have already been discussed......over and over again....you dont' remember that entire mess about the paternity test on the child in the parking lot?   And Brandy's past has been talked about from the beginning. AT BSDA, I think something was mentioned about something found on the internet.  They wouldhave to sue a whole lot of other people long before now.

   so that is how they got the proof, of the nude dancer called Brandy off the internet?? Well, can you imagine? I 'm taking your implication here as fact Gurl.... Wonder how much porno it took to watch that from 3abn headquarters before the jets flew??

[tinka]

Now does that post by Cindy let anyone think they can put their guard down on such a lying bit of garbage. I consider that it was not even 5 minutes before consequences commensed. Ya can't parley with the devil.

[GrandmaNettie]

What do SDA's and Christians believe happens when one asks God for forgiveness for sin?  What happens when one decides to follow Jesus and is baptized?  All that old life and past sin is left behind, right? 

Back in 2007 Linda told me about something that Gailon found on the internet from DS's then wife.  I checked this out with Bob Pickle who confirmed that it wasn't something that Gailon had found but that one of his associates had found it.  Contrary to what Di posted, that information was never posted publically on the internet until Johann posted Dr. Arild A.'s letter here yesterday.  One has to wonder about the motivation for this to be made public and who is behind it.

And wow, did the salivating begin!

For those purporting to be fighting to cleanse the SDA camp of evil, the hunger here for juicy allegatons reminds me of the blood-eating plant in Little Shop of Horrors rather than the characteristics that one would expect of a disciple of Christ.

I think your "Holy War" has gotten much further off track.