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[princessdi]

LOL!!!  Snoopy they are keeping you and that "mod red" busy to day, aren't they?  LOL!!!

[Johann]

Dr Arild Abrahamsen tells me he has documentation for what he wrote. At least as much documentation as the others have for all of their false rumors. Perhaps Mrs. Thompson now understands what sorrows her husband has caused Linda Shelton?

Here is another version I have received:

Johann, I received this from a - - -classmate
 
~e
 
----- Original Message -----


Begin forwarded message:

From: Avonne Thompson - - - -
Date: June 4, 2010 9:07:56 AM PDT
To: "\"undisclosed recipients\"" - - -
Subject: Re: Forum Post

 
Below is a paragraph that was just posted on a worldwide Internet public forum.  The letter was written by Doctor Arild Abrahamsen, the doctor from Norway who cared for Nathan, the son of Linda Shelton. It was written to Mark Finley and posted by Pastor Johann Thorvalsson--who is a close friend of both Linda Shelton and the doctor.
 
In the post, Dr. Abrahamsen is pleading with Mark Finley, a vice-president of the SDA Church, to take action against 3ABN on behalf of Linda Shelton.  I will not address the entire letter as most of you are familiar with the other issues Johann discusses--they have been discussed for the last five or six years publicly on forums, letters to our church leaders and pastors--and then forwarded by email to many, many others--since the termination of Linda's employment at 3ABN and the breakup of Linda and Danny Shelton's marriage.
 
I believe it is important---for the sake of our son and grandchildren and their families--to  clarify this portion that makes reference to the death of our daughter.  Our daughter's girls are now in their mid-twenties, and should they hear these absolute lies, they will be devastated.  Suicide is a horrible thing--and then to have leaders in our church tell--and be told--this kind of a lie will destroy them all over again--as it has us.
 
Below is the portion of the letter to Mark Finley--written by Dr. Abrahamsen and posted by Johann Thorvalsson--pertaining to our daughter's death.  It was just posted yesterday--
 
  "I realize that you are good friends with Walt Thompson and that you listened to "his version" of the events that occurred.  But are you aware that Walt Thompson performed an abortion on his own daughter?  Are you aware that she committed suicide a short time after this abortion?  He doesn't sound like a great source to obtain information to me."
 
Here is a very short paragraph as to what actually happened.  We adopted our daughter when she was 15 months old.  She died at the age of 28.   We worked with many, many professional people throughout her life, and were finally counseled to allow her to get married at 16.  She was pregnant--but was hospitalized with a miscarriage after the marriage and before her first child was born.  When our daughter took her life at age 28, she had two living children--her youngest, eight years old and the other daughter, ten.  She never lived in our home again after her marriage, but we have no information suggesting that she had abortions other than the one mentioned.  IF THERE WERE ANY ABORTIONS, WALT DID NOT DO THEM!!  Her suicide had nothing to do with an abortion as is inferred in the paragraph by Dr. Abrahamsen--and her youngest girl was eight years old, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SHE DID NOT COMMIT SUICIDE "A SHORT TIME" AFTER HER MISCARRIAGE WHEN SHE WAS 16.  And, after her second daughter was born, she had surgery which prevented her from having more children.
 
I am sending this email to those of you in my email address book who have been aware of this ongoing situation with those connected with 3ABN through the last five or six years.  General Conference is coming up and, if you are attending, we wanted you to know the facts before you heard the gossip.  And, if someone forwards the entire post to you, please judge all of it by this malicious lie as you read it. We would appreciate your prayers for our family.  This is like reliving our daughter's suicide all over again.  And the ones who are spreading this terrible gossip need our prayers as well.  Thank you. 

[princessdi]

That is sad, I am sure they were devastated after trying everything they could.  I hadn't paid much attention to that portion of the letter, but if Dr. A doesn't have proof for that one, he should probably let that go.  No need in traumatizing the family any further.

[Gregory]

This is like reliving our daughter's suicide all over again.  And the ones who are spreading this terrible gossip need our prayers as well.  Thank you. 

Amen

I am dumbfounded that this should be brought up in this forum.
 

[Murcielago]

Six years ago someone started spreading lies and rumours, and caused untold pain and destruction to many people. Since then it seems that every possible old wound has been reopened and acid poured in. Sometimes its hard to see people get hurt, even when they have not hesitated to hurt others.

[princessdi]

Now, George, this is what I have been talking about all the time.  It is one thing to point out faults, and try to make things right.  However, this situation here is just a mess with every side claiming the blessing of God and considering the other side, not just wrong but basically the spawn of satan.  Danny can do no right here.  According to those here, he gets up in the morning and his first breath is just wrong.  The other side is no better, and we saw that today.  Not to mention that this began with some rather scandlous words and actions by DS and the 3ABN board.

Dr. I am sure is hurting, and a lot mift at the things that were said about him all this time.  Trouble is hurting people, hurt others.  He should hav left that portion out.  Thing is this mess has been running on a "by any means necessary" for a long time.  Just think about that paternity test.  People really did want to expose that poor child on the internet as proof of their claims against Danny, etc.  That still is reprehensible!  This is no better.  I started to say this in my first post, but I should have.  Dr. A probably needs to apologize for the part about WT's daughter.  ***************************************************.





Edited to remove inappropriate content.

[Johann]

Apparently not all the people involved at the time agree that it was a miscarriage.

Is the pain the Thompson family experinced at that time a good reason to inflict similar pain to Linda Shelton - and to keep it up until now? Is it about time for a truce? Or does that have nothing to do with the love Walt is writing about?

[Gregory]

JohN:

My position always has been and continues to be that Linda was not treated right.   But, this is "hitting below the belt."

I do not believe that Linda--who has a daughter that was publicly embarrased--would want said about the Thompson's daughter what was said.  If you want to tell me that Linda would approve of such, I will have to say that I have misunderstood Linda.

In short:  Two wrongs do not make a right.

It jsut does not seem logical to me that Dr. A., living in Norway, would have proof of his alligation that Dr. T performed an abortion on his own daughter.  Something is missing here.

[tinka]

Something is very missing. Sort of all take a deep breath and let this settle in. I hope so much that it all will be wrong.
But it remains.. that if DR. says he had some documents let him reply.

Did all lose the fact that TS wife still upholds TS. Board still upholds 3abn. Walt T. is still involved in the clans doings that we mostly have concluded. There has been an arrest and all the other sick fiascos.  We know basically that birds of a feather flock together. and I do not have a factual conclusion just because " this lovely email of denial has been sent". Does not that remain to be the going thing from the protectors.

The only thing that addressed my attention is why, why did this 16 year old girl have so many problems. Maybe it was miscarraige and maybe not.  I am getting strange feeling that most of the "volunteers" have same sort of situations within the fold of 3abn seem to all "huddle a lot in the same situations". I am not ready to wash everything down the drain because "Waco" has taught a lot and so did the most recent episode of the "visionieers".  I would say if Dr. has a point let him return in due time.  I mean anyone can wonder if the 16 year old married the babies father because or maybe the babies father is someone else, same reasons DS and Brandy got hitched. Too many possibilities that need proven before one way or the other is factual.

[Gregory]

Johan:

You are so closely associated with Linda that some people are going to think that Linda had something to do with you posting that letter from Dr. A. That association is not going to serve her well.  As you likely konw, there is a saying:  With friends like these, who needs enemies?

I hope you can tell us that Linda had nothing to do with you posting that letter.  If she did, I have clearly misjudged her and whoever advised her to post the comment about the Thompson's daughter gave Linda bad advice.

[RBF]

Dr Arild Abrahamsen tells me he has documentation for what he wrote. At least as much documentation as the others have for all of their false rumors. Perhaps Mrs. Thompson now understands what sorrows her husband has caused Linda Shelton?

"At least as much documentation as the others have..." is not enough.    Please, let's not present anything that we can't soundly back up even if it proves our point.  Why would you want to put your work on the same level as the very people you condemn?  Should we lack integrity because they do? 

RBF

[Gregory]

For some time I have been mostly quiet as far as posting comments related to the issues with 3-ABN.  But, I think that now is a time to speak and to make a public statement in regard to Dr. Thompson the Chair of the 3-ABN Board.

I have believed in the past and I continue to believe today that Dr. Thompson made some wrong decisions in regard to the issues with Linda.  I simply differ with him and believe that he was wrong.

However, I have never charged him with malice in the decisions that he made.  A person can be wrong and even very wrong and have no evil intent.  In fact those bad decisions may stem from a good intent.

Dr. Thompson and his family, in my opinion, have devoted years to serving the SDA Church which he has loved.  He has contributed his time, his talents and of his means.  His family has joined with him in this support of what they believed that God wanted him (them) to do. While I think he has made some mistakes I want to publicly acknowledge his positive contributions to the SDA Church and the work of God on earth.

I will grant that it may be proper for Dr. A. to make the claims about Dr. Thompson in a private letter to a Vice-President of the General Conference. But, allegations of that nature should have remained private and not subject to public posting, regardless of any legal right to publicly post them.  That public posting has the potential to do harm not only to Dr. Thompson and his wife, but to other family members--children and grandchildren, as well as the memory of a now deceased troubled person.  The daughter is dead.  She cannot defend herself.  Nothing positive is gained by the comments made about her.   The focus of the issues lie with:  3-ABN,  Danny Shelton  and Linda Shelton. That is where the focus might properly lie.   There is no need to bring others into this discussion.  When you bring dr. Thompson into the discussion, focus on his decisions related to the central issues.  There is no need to bring other family members into this discussion.

I do not claim to be knowledgeable on Internet libel law.  But, I suspect that if Dr. Thompson were to consult a competent attorney in the area of Internet libel law he might be told that he had cause for action on Libel and Defamation of Character.  Frankly, I suspect that Dr. Thompson and his family would decide not to litigate.  But, I suspect that he has cause for action.

The bottom line for me is:  Those involved in posting the comments about the Thompson's daughter should be ashamed.  They owe Dr. Thompson a sincere apology.  It is too bad that due to the death of the daughter they cannot apologize to her.  They also owe her an apology.

[tinka]

Truth is a funny thing that surfaces in the most unusual way that is least expected. Truth needs to prevail however it goes.

Btw, anyone see what happened to the horrific case of Natalie Holloway with a whole country covering up so it would not hurt their tourist money.  This pattern is used over and over.  It came back very hard to the guilty one and it was hidden by the father who is now dead from heart attack. People just think they can lie and cover up but that is not how the pattern works out. Because evil keeps doing evil until the innocent cry out and the devil wins then. It finanlly catches up. I believe all this 3abn saga is finally catching up. There is just too much wrong.
It is the same scenario that when a monkey reaches into a jar for the biggest handful of goodies and cannot draw out his hand because he will not let go of his goodies.

[Johann]

Everybody ignores my question if it is not time to call for a truce? Do you all just want to keep on fighting?

Let me just state that I was asked to post those letters. Don't they give an idea how intense the "fighting" has been? Many inappropriate things have been said. Some will claim that these are by far the worst examples.

Gregory, you may think your comments are professional - then lets get something positively done. Now is the time for action, . .

[Gregory]

Why would I think my comments were professional?  I was speaking from my heart in many ways.  Do you understand that?