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[princessdi]

I agree, Tinka, but it just really seems LS didn't initially try to get any kind of legal representation or advise.  I want to say she was trusting DS, but I really hope not.  Also, depending on the lawyer within the church, that might not have been a good idea.  These types of situation almost always work to the advantage of the man.  I've see it with pastor, elders, decaons.  it is always the wife who is ostracized, even if the man was completely wrong.

[tinka]

Di,
 I wonder if LS realized the power behind the scene, especially with that overpowering "letter" of forceful actions that were sooo "honey coated".
The letter that stated do, this, this, and this, if you want to live in your house and "we really hate to lose you" sort of thing.  To me Di, if LS would have complied at that time, it would be almost like a "brain washing to agree to all things of the clan".  I weighed much of that situation.  Sort of end up like the wiffee of TS.  Just don't think LS is of that nature. Of course anything is possible until all facts are displayed. I am leaning to sort of thinking that LS will eventually have to make decision -the money or the truth -but like a situation we were once in --does she still try to protect 3abn "child" if you know what I mean.  Also I don't think she really trusted DS after a while because I believe the bizarre things he was doing..   I think finally she felt safer to be away.   i mean just think of this possibility..... if she did realize some bad stuff, or if you were living some of it your self wouldn't you start getting a little scared if you knew the truth and the extent they were going to prove her or your guilt??   Especially if you knew all accusations were wrong...Just thoughts...

[mrst53]

Maybe it was "good riddance, to bad rubbish" for LS

[tinka]

mrstc53,

Whether she knew anything from the beginning  that could very well be, (she was better off) as all the bad stuff was not seemingly coming from her side of the fence, book money, molestations, distribution of funds where they shouldn't go, adultery (not with just the new woman). but evidently witnesses claim to have seen other with DS.  

Her letter published for her freinds in many places between the lines you could read that she knew something was going on with change of DS actions and she still loved him and didn't want what was happening let alone understand why it was happening.

 Her name is just not on all that except for the "accusations".  You see the actual "evidence" remains on his side of the fence by documents that have been presented on here. (IRS, divorce, marriage, arrests, pending convictions, victims, witnesses). in all things.  The only, 2 things that i put on the back burner just a little was a chance of possible charismatic change in SDA "original" beliefs as a little was starting to creep in some presentations.   Adventist do not build their faith on emotional jestures of actions but on a truth and way of everyday life and then do it.   I did not know where that was starting to come from.  

The other is the "accusations" causing the DNA test of Brandy's one child. Now that was a laughing saga that remains to be proven. If DS just would not have pulled all the shenanigans that he did and just did everything properly, there would be no question. But his and Brandy's actions on the matter smelled foul. So no one knows really for sure except them and a round about way of proving negative.  They did not follow the rules of court procedure to correctly identify samples taken.  Let's just say a child was there! Now, this would be not a good thing if that was just an "accusation" without the proof. Other then that, I do not think that the Dr. of their "accusations with LS" would come out in public with such a detailed letter of the "great denial of it all" for all the world to see and it be such a lie that would cost his soul for "eternity" in "Public". Just thoughts again.   You see in order for these outlandish denials like the documents proven is where the sickness lies. and those are deep rooted as the devil's great glee of diverting the honest SDA "pew" money to provide "Extravaganza lifestyle" for the "Shelton clan". and I know you are new on here and do not know what I might be referring to for lifestyle.  Sport cars, hair transplants, settling divorces, making profit from non-profit organization jets, raising   plus upkeep and many times I refer to upkeep as "money back to the ground from the "horsefeed" or the "so called volunteer   workers that they proclaim on tv --getting "paid" their    feed as they are followers, protectors under the cloak of DS.  

But you must understand that we do have wonderful, honest, truthful evangelists and preachers that their programs are run on that programming. This is what I am concerned about also when the   manure hits the fan!!

Mrs, that (laugh) should catch you up.  Sure wished it all was not happening as it is so distracting especially for this time of soon coming.

 

[princessdi]

I agree, Tinka.  I just don't see her as that innocent in the midst of all that was going on.  However, I also believe she never thought Danny would do her wrong, or like she saw him doing others, until it was too late.......hence the contested Guam divorce.....too little, too late.

[tinka]

Di,

Are u possibly into "moderations". I don't think you read about LS as I intended. I was not saying she was the fault of this. (smile) except it would have been bad if the DNA situation was brought on by no proof.  It was posted- that insinuations were possible with Brandy and DS. Who would do that? That is the only thing I detected coming from possibly other side. What actions did DS do that would warrent that possibility! Somebody knows. and my comment only was that would be not good if just accusations with out proof. and then commented that --the proof did not happen as courts ruling is not 100% because procedures were not followed in identity rules.

[princessdi]

Oh but I believe she is at fault for some of this stuff that went on, either by direct action or her silence and then benefitting from it.  she was there from the beginning for 20 years.  If she is trying to act as if she was completely ignorant to all that was going on around her, then she deserves to be cheated as she was.  I don't believe she was that ignorant.

Also, as I have stated before, I don't need anymore evidence that there existed a DS/Brandy loooooong before the demise of the DS/LS marriage. 

[Sister]

Linda was in charge of programming. Danny was in charge of finance. Each had their separate responsibilities and did not interfer with each others area.

[mrst53]

Is Brandy divorcing DS? If so, what are her grounds? Is she getting a huge settlement? what about the child? I know, I know, we are way off track

[Pat Williams]

I agree, Tinka, but it just really seems LS didn't initially try to get any kind of legal representation or advise.  I want to say she was trusting DS, but I really hope not....

Do you know how pathetic it is to see some koolaid drinker talking to another koolaid drinker who thinks the first knows what they are talking about and has some inside scoop, while both are clueless? Neither of you knows the people you are talking about, have any personal information, and no knowledge of anything except the gossip and libel you have read from people who you don't even know and have no idea if they themselves know the people or can prove what they say. Do you know how sad it is that you may actually deceive others by repeating this garbage?
LS had legal representation and advice! She hired the same lawyer who was against her and won, when her ex-husband ( not DS, the one before that) took her to court and got custody of their son, Nathan. Ask Dr Day, she has notes! - and they were posted on her website.

[Pat Williams]

Is Brandy divorcing DS? If so, what are her grounds? Is she getting a huge settlement? what about the child? I know, I know, we are way off track

Brandy is in love with another man. Ask her. They had a a prenup, again. ask her! What about the child? She's Brandy's and not Danny's as the paternity tests already proved. We know you don't and won't believe a word Danny says, so again, ask Brandy, she has no reason to lie, and so probably won't, so ask her if you feel you have to, and then, MOVE ON! Every one else besides this little group has. So pathetic...

[mrst53]

Hey, I know nothing about Brandy and Danny...I was just wondering if DS got rid of Brandy the way he did LS and if he spread lies about her the way he did about he did LS. Now wait a minute- Brandy's child is not DS's? Didn't they have her together? Did I lose something here?

[tinka]

mrst53,

It is hard for someone coming in to pick up instantly with some of the arguments of the posts.  First of all, very carefully read each word when 3defender writes. I suspect that she is so close to the TS situation that it would be like "cooking" for him. She let her own cat out of the bag for this closeness by giving almost intimate details of conversation between her and Duane. The begging of innocence of forgiveness right on these posts that was supposed to be reminded to Duane for long ago for TS was also intimate.

As far as LS goes, I believe if you had the time to go back and it would almost be impossible to find in so many threads is this. LS had a son and daughter before, DS was not a friend to him son let alone a father. That was the start of beginning reasons (on posts) for outsiders to know. LS found an (I think) Adventist Dr. to help the critical situation of her son while on a trip to another country. They talked back and forth as her son was left there for sometime. DS and others, then accused LS of talking too long to DR. on phone.and the "accusations" started on LS. But many things were also going on behind scenes with DS as other witnesses came forward to share.  One was the stepdaughter that notarized a complaint that DS molested her and came into her room at night and she came forward with it.  They claimed they had proof on LS with tapes but continually throughout can not produce for proof except that they have it and heard it. and heard tell it does not state what they claim.  You must realize also the son, had a choice to go where he wanted. There was no love between DS and LS son for the statements made. Later the son came back to his mother, his mother tried to help him and DS wanted nothing to do with it. Again, you can see by 3d post that she was there "within" maybe sister-in-law to know legal details of personal info of LS first marriage. Now she has the intimate details that "Brandy" was in love with another man. Wow, as I suspect, the money pit (Brandy) of DS did not work. Now how did Brandy manage a hot quick marriage with DS? Was he told something, of maybe previous relationship with her and then it was not true as he tumbled in or DS strong ego with other easy situations (as he previously claimed that women wanted him). Who knows but reasoning is not all that hard. But all and all is the reason that someone put on here that Brandy's one child belonged to DS. and I simply stated that there were shenanigans that went on with that mess. and would not look good for the other side to not have proof of this before suggesting. It still remains to be unknown 100%.
This would have been Brandys 3-4 marriage with child by each. Right thar, DS was not too smar!  

Oh, and by the way if you watch how English in writing is, check out the lingo of 3d. What does it take or how is one to protect a child molester? calls everyone koolaid drinkers, and fails to understand right from wrong. This situation is a quite sad. Many people give answers without their own realization.

Seems piano lessons was the most important "training" in some people's lives with no other discipline of selfish desires both in husband and wiffee.

Mrst53, I am just as angry with the wife of TS for making access to others for him. I can tell you one thing that if it would have been my situation I would have found good use for my iron skillet and called authorities or the white jackets. and what do you have with this family or clan??? They all knew!!  They covered as the "bucks" came in. They are actors, performers, and falsely gain the money of "innocent, honest SDA followers and then claim "non-denomenational".  and

Princessdi, with all the above, LS may have known as I am sure, the 20 years for her was very busy as yes her programming was good but it took time for realization to discover as that does not come in a night.  I think she was starting to deal with a lot. Unless you can uncover real documents as whats for DS I would be very carefull claiming she was not innocent. Why have others not come forward to as witnesses against her and her actions? The only accusations camae from DS and Board. She is ordered by survival money in a state of shock to "not talk of 3abn or DS" and why not if they are innocent??  hmmmm, is it the hidden funds, is it DS Actions, and yes other possibilities, then for the sake of saving 3abn. There is for sure other things but it remains to be facts before accusations of ones guilt.

[Pat Williams]

Mrst53, Tinka has no idea what she is babbling about. I am not related to Tommy Shelton in any way shape, or form, and there are no problems between Danny and Nathan today and never have been. Nathan still visits him. Ask him, again, we know you won't believe what Danny says, but Nathan isn't going to lie about it. There is in fact no basis for anything Tinka says. She's entitled to accept misinformation, form her opinions and jump to the wrong conclusions and to even post them but I can then post and say they are false, and are only opinions and arrogant ones at that, which should be taken as that, instead of accepted as facts.

leaving now.

[tinka]

3D

How is it that Nathan still has relationship with DS while his sister claims Molestation from DS and his mother is gagged and her assets stolen?

Can you itemize statements and documents that are not correc? The statements you provide only ask questions of common sense from readers. Here is one thing that you should be able to do regardless of your infiltrations of the "clan" You obviously claim "truth". Then spit it out in direct answers instead of denying and defending. You are obligated to do that in honesty or you will be held in "higher court" for defending as sympathizer. Forget the money tree as you are defending a self proclaimed "molester".

Question 1.  Why is LS gagged?

Question 2.  What happened at the DNA testing, place, time and Identity, not to include the Dr's. version of DNA. I want the court version>

Question 3.  Why did Brenda W. lie with the purchase of tickets against Linda?

Question 4.  Why do you protect when documents prove falsification. You know the signatures of Brandy do not look the same as observed in different places. It looks like DS signature for her.

Question 5.  How did Brandy fall in love with different man when just divorced from DS?

Question 6.  Brandy signed a post nup or whatever agreement after marriage?? Why did they do that>

Question 7. Was it because of in conclusive on previous property settlements?

Question 8. Was it Brandy that was trying to hide the actual DNA from DS when he thought the possibility was there? When negative--she was found out? Now gone with another??

Question 9.  Are you a volunteer of 3abn or a paid one?

Question 10. How did DS in "keeping up appearances" do all the "extravaganza" living when that cost more then it showed that he earned on IRS. I know what it cost to have many horses. and for sure all the cosmetic money, and etc.

Question 11. Without doubt you are intimately close to the situation and a sympathizer. What stops you from inserting all answers honestly between these lines. IF you can't then don't deny it as documents prove the side of viewers.

Question 12. If Nathan is still close to DS, does he still love LS and realize what and how he fell from grace of public view?

Question 13. Why did the family not get Help for TS years ago instead of giving him chance to victimize.

Question 14. Who did the wife blame when the adoptive child came forth as another victim? Who does she blame for the other victims?

Question 15. What is wrong with wife when she knows her husband's preferences?

These questions should be a breeze to the protectors of innocence.