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[mrst53]

3D-
I think you NEED to understand the difference between a Homosexual relationship and a situation where someone is molested. When TS used his position as a Preacher and Counselor( and that makes me sick to use those words) in the situation with Duane, it was NOT  and I repeat NOT a homosexual relationship. A relationship implies that both parties enter willingly into it with no implication of force of any kind. If you don't know the difference, then maybe you need some  counseling on relationships.

[Sister]

3D,

Isn't time for you to quit victimizing the victims? Tommy is a very sin sick individual. Any man who would sexually molest a member of his own family and members of the congregation that trusted him as a spiritual leader should have been stopped long ago. That certain members of the Shelton family knew what was happening and through their silence empowered him to continue abusing through his postion of authority and additionally put him in the postion to have access to children, share the blood of his sins on their own hands. Now through your defense of Tommy, by attacking Duane, you, too, are unable to cleanse your hands of the evil of Tommy's victimization of so many, including his own son.

Duane, my heart and prayers go out to you. There is nothing that can be done to change the past, but the continued abuse you receive from Tommy's cohorts in sin is inexcusable. Hold your head up and know that justice will be served. May the comfort of the Holy Spirit infuse your heart and lift your spirit. May you experience the peace that passes all understanding. And despite anything your accusers say, you were a young person whose trust was betrayed in the most heinous manner, by a "minister of God" who had surrendered his desires to the Devil and whose certain family members knowingly allowed his crimes to continue.

3D, I agree with mrst53 completely:

I think you NEED to understand the difference between a Homosexual relationship and a situation where someone is molested. When TS used his position as a Preacher and Counselor( and that makes me sick to use those words) in the situation with Duane, it was NOT  and I repeat NOT a homosexual relationship. A relationship implies that both parties enter willingly into it with no implication of force of any kind. If you don't know the difference, then maybe you need some  counseling on relationships.

[tinka]

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old on, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriately to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a dangerous pedophile now, and of being unable to own up to what he does wrong, isn't it?

So what would you be implying here? That all a person or (child) needs to do is except "Help" and "forgiveness" given by or to a perpetrator to get by until the next victim? In your first statements underlined you admit the happening and in your next sentences you try to put words into posts concluding that DC actually states it did not really happen. I did not see any of his posts where he said it did not happen but was worried because all grew up together and had friendships. Your statements are confusing and it appears it is trying to intimidate the witness of posting something not said so far that I can read.  With more then one victim, wouldn't you consider that to be a dangerous pedophile??

again you seem more then close to the situation.

No, O clueless one, I am not saying anything or implying anything that you infer.
That was my point and if I was trying to "imply" anything here that would be it. Stop drinking the kool-aid!

Well according to Standard underlined English the above statements you are establishing facts or implying what you be live.  Then you apply it to something that is not said --so that is implying again unproven facts. When one does this confusion bit I call it intimidating a victim when addressing the victim. But then your implying that TS is innocent. and again that is getting the cart before the horse wouldn't you say?? I mean with all witnesses appearing or documents in the courts for justice in near future.

Sooner or later you will have to come to the term of the word "guilty" and what side you protected. The perpetrator or the victimssssss. When you steel someones youth, and put into place horror for a lifetime that you cannot give back you are guilty of destroying no matter how "sorry"

You can't steel a car and say sorry, but I am keeping it to help get me another is going to work well in society. There is always always payday here or eternity. What a choice you have!

[ex3abnemployee]

3D,

Isn't time for you to quit victimizing the victims? Tommy is a very sin sick individual. Any man who would sexually molest a member of his own family and members of the congregation that trusted him as a spiritual leader should have been stopped long ago. That certain members of the Shelton family knew what was happening and through their silence empowered him to continue abusing through his postion of authority and additionally put him in the postion to have access to children, share the blood of his sins on their own hands. Now through your defense of Tommy, by attacking Duane, you, too, are unable to cleanse your hands of the evil of Tommy's victimization of so many, including his own son.

Duane, my heart and prayers go out to you. There is nothing that can be done to change the past, but the continued abuse you receive from Tommy's cohorts in sin is inexcusable. Hold your head up and know that justice will be served. May the comfort of the Holy Spirit infuse your heart and lift your spirit. May you experience the peace that passes all understanding. And despite anything your accusers say, you were a young person whose trust was betrayed in the most heinous manner, by a "minister of God" who had surrendered his desires to the Devil and whose certain family members knowingly allowed his crimes to continue.

3D, I agree with mrst53 completely:

I think you NEED to understand the difference between a Homosexual relationship and a situation where someone is molested. When TS used his position as a Preacher and Counselor( and that makes me sick to use those words) in the situation with Duane, it was NOT  and I repeat NOT a homosexual relationship. A relationship implies that both parties enter willingly into it with no implication of force of any kind. If you don't know the difference, then maybe you need some  counseling on relationships.

Thank you all. yes, I have learned that there will always be those who make ridiculous or stupid comments, even those bordering on insanity. But, it doesn't make them true. 3d is spitting in the wind. One wonders if she's just upset that she can't get her husband out of the mess this time.

[tinka]

Well now, I knew this had to be someone very very close and sure enough. If it is whom I think I sure hope she definitely heard what type of character she really has and is herself-- just as guilty protecting. and I hope for sure she read all my posts conerning just what I said from the beginning and thought of a person standing by something like this when they knew it. Shame, shame, shame for not getting help long ago. Now she can join in the justice of it all.

and Duane, I do not call this boardering on insanity. It is insanity! They are all sick and do not even wonder about being in contact with any of it.  This is enough for the sane to be quite angry. and the Sheltons have control of 3abn??? don't know all the ties there but somebodies better get sane before it flops right in their own laps.

[Adam]

3D would rather stand up for an alleged pedophile.  3D like I said you are a sick individual.  I am pretty sure you have more important things to do like, um maybe spending time with the pedo.  In my honest opinion, you seem scared.  You all have nothing better to do except discredit victims now.  Why? Because you all never dreamed Tommy would make it to trial.  Well, now that he has, you all are so frightened.    I am sure you can find better use of your time, 3d, beside standing up for a man who puts his hands in places he shouldn't. 

[mrst53]

3D-
Could you possibly be that close to either TS or DS that you are afraid of them? Molestors are often  physical abusers of women too. Maybe that is why you defend TS so well. If you are, you need to get out of that relationship, no matter what they tell you.

[tinka]

Oh, this is gagging, a woman that jeopardizes others for...this??? This ain't love mam, this is cover up guilt for the next victim. Whewwww,
I understand more now about in Bibical days when God said, destroy all, lock stock and barrel. That was hard for me but I really do understand knowing the fact of family knowledge and damage of this. The whole family must be in denial of known actions as the "evil actions" lurk day after day after year after year. How can one be sane of that?  I do not even want to think of what it has done to own children, as I feel they are also victims of no way out. Husband and wife are both guilty for victims inside and out. They all clanned in at Waco too. Now here they are, 3abn!

[Adam]

I would almost bet that 3D along with a few others, are on the payroll to come here and defend. Honestly, that has to be the reason.  Because why would anyone with any sort of dignity or brains come and defend like they do? 

Honestly, 3D,Cindy, and the rest of you over at that pitiful site, need to wake up.  It really isn't worth it in the end.  Just some words of advice. 

[mrst53]

Those that continually contend that TS is innocent, are either blindly taken in by him or DS, or are afraid of not defending him, in order to protect their jobs- maybe at 3abn?

[Murcielago]

I doubt they are being paid, and I doubt anyone is doing it to protect their jobs. I suspect they have loftier reasons than that.

[Johann]

I doubt they are . . .

There are times when doubts can be a blessing.

[rclem]

My name is Roger Clem. I have never posted anything on here before but I have to say that I am touched by the amount of people who stand behind all of the victims of TS. I had the better part of 15 years of my life ruined by this man because of what he did to me. The sickening part about it all is that when I confronted him about it and wrote the letter to him that many of you have seen, there have been several people that have tried to destroy my name because of it. I DID NOTHING WRONG. I was a victim of a man who was very good at manipulation. His wife is still one of his biggest defenders. I don't know how you could think that someone would want something like this to happen to them. Trust me , I would have much rather went on with my life the way it was before and not have to deal with this kind of stuff. I have battled depression for several years. The best thing that could possibly happen is for TS to admit to what he has done, and ask forgiveness for it. He needs to make things right with God before it is eternally too late. We all need to pray for everyone involved here, the victims and Tommy Shelton.

[Bob Pickle]

God bless you for your courage, Roger.

It is mind boggling to me just how far Tommy's defenders are willing to go to smear those who are concerned. But a righteous God will call them to account one day, and unless they repent in this life, render a verdict from which there will be no appeal.

And at some point, whether now or then who knows, the smeared will be vindicated by the Judge of all the earth. And when He vindicates, He does a super good job that no one anywhere can beat.

[Gregory]

A few general  statements:

NOTE:  All of my comments are presented from a civil context and do not relate to a religious/spiritual context.

Homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia.
A homosexual is probably no more likely to be a pedophiliac than is a person who is not homosexual.
A homosexual who molests a child of the same gender does not make the molested child a homosexual.
The molested child is always a victim.
That molested child may very well experience emotional problems, and perhaps PTSD, for years afterwards.
Children can never give consent.
Nothing the child did caused the assault.
The child is in no way responsible.
Depending on the State in which the assault occurred, the victim may have civil and/or criminal recourse against the professional.



What about sex between a member of a helping profession (counselor, physician, psychiatrist, psychologist, counselor, etc.) and a person who is of the legal age (adult)to give consent and in a professional relationship with that person:

The major professional organizations consider such relationships to be professionally wrong.
The professional often obtains power over the person due to transference and counter transference.
The professional is expected to control the relationship in a manner that does not lead to sex and terminates the professional relationship if it cannot be so controlled.
The adult is the victim.
The adult is not responsible.
The sex is wrong regardless of the genders of the two people.
Depending on the State in which the assault occurred, the victim may have civil and/or criminal recourse against the professional.
The victim will often need emotional help.