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[ex3abnemployee]

Duane, I just read your statement at the ...........uuuuhhhhh......"other site" last night.  I am not sure how often you read there.  I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am that you had to experience that, but how proud I am that you are able to have the faith to allow God to heal and restore you.  i am also deeply disappointed in those engaged in defending TS.  Your testimony makes their evil comments to you even more cruel and un-Christ-like.  I will pray for them and their soul's salvation.  They cannot believe that it is alright with God that they treat another one of His children in such a manner.

My constant thoughts and prayers are with you(and other victims), your healing and restoration, and your ministry.  God bless you!

Thank you, Di. I appreciate it. I see where "truth" has said that there were only words between Tommy and I. Do these people even read before they post?

[ex3abnemployee]

LOL! Di, I just noticed they removed your post where you said you were sorry about what happened to me. So what, is there now a rule that I can't be spoken of favorably at the other site? LOL! Cindy, you and your whole forum are nothing but a big joke. No wonder only about 6 people regularly participate.

[Pat Williams]

Duane, I just read your statement at the ...........uuuuhhhhh......"other site" last night.  I am not sure how often you read there.  I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am that you had to experience that, but how proud I am that you are able to have the faith to allow God to heal and restore you.  i am also deeply disappointed in those engaged in defending TS.  Your testimony makes their evil comments to you even more cruel and un-Christ-like.  I will pray for them and their soul's salvation.  They cannot believe that it is alright with God that they treat another one of His children in such a manner.

My constant thoughts and prayers are with you(and other victims), your healing and restoration, and your ministry.  God bless you!

Thank you, Di. I appreciate it. I see where "truth" has said that there were only words between Tommy and I. Do these people even read before they post?

Did Princessdi read before she posted, Duane?

She disagreed with "Truth" and  claimed: " he abused his position of authority as a beloved and respected pastor to Duane to have homosexual sex"

I thought you claimed that never happened Duane? The statement she was replying to and thanking you for says:
"Tommy and I would meet at his house, the church, the original 3ABN building, and even one night on a back country road...There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn't let it happen."

I know I read where you said on topix that you weren't molested, and added that you never even mentioned anything sexual in your statement. I remember you saying that same thing on BSDA. In fact when you objected to posters saying that you had been sexually molested Princessdi apologized to you... I am sure I can get the quotes if you don't recall...

I am not getting this at all.

[Adam]

Duane, I just read your statement at the ...........uuuuhhhhh......"other site" last night.  I am not sure how often you read there.  I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am that you had to experience that, but how proud I am that you are able to have the faith to allow God to heal and restore you.  i am also deeply disappointed in those engaged in defending TS.  Your testimony makes their evil comments to you even more cruel and un-Christ-like.  I will pray for them and their soul's salvation.  They cannot believe that it is alright with God that they treat another one of His children in such a manner.

My constant thoughts and prayers are with you(and other victims), your healing and restoration, and your ministry.  God bless you!

Thank you, Di. I appreciate it. I see where "truth" has said that there were only words between Tommy and I. Do these people even read before they post?

Did Princessdi read before she posted, Duane?

She disagreed with "Truth" and  claimed: " he abused his position of authority as a beloved and respected pastor to Duane to have homosexual sex"

I thought you claimed that never happened Duane? The statement she was replying to and thanking you for says:
"Tommy and I would meet at his house, the church, the original 3ABN building, and even one night on a back country road...There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn't let it happen."

I know I read where you said on topix that you weren't molested, and added that you never even mentioned anything sexual in your statement. I remember you saying that same thing on BSDA. In fact when you objected to posters saying that you had been sexually molested Princessdi apologized to you... I am sure I can get the quotes if you don't recall...

I am not getting this at all.

You really are sick. You know that? No wonder your brain is so warped.  Seriously what pleasure do you get out of defending the Sheltons?  You are no better than a child molestor yourself, so go back to your trench.

[Pat Williams]

A pastor told me he was certain 3ABN would stand much better with honesty and forthrightness that with all  these attempts at covering up.

When a liar tells you he's not been telling you the right things you know he's started telling you the truth, and you will admire him for it. Covering things is an abomination to the Lord, and it will get back at you if you do not repent.

That's exactly right. And the truth is that Tommy wouldn't be sitting where he is right now if he had owned up to what he did years ago. The longer you wait to confess, the less admiration you get when you finally do.

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old on, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriately to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a dangerous pedophile now, and of being unable to own up to what he does wrong, isn't it?

Did you write the following?

In conclusion, I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed. I grew up with the Shelton kids. They're almost like family to me. I hope that my coming forward doesn't end our friendships, although I'm sure it will never be the same from this point forward.

I ask all who read this to please pray for all those who have been directly involved, our families, our churches and yes, for Tommy Shelton also. It is my opinion that he needs to be out of the ministry right now, but he also needs the Lord's leadership as he deals with past issues. Our God is a God of judgment, but He is also a God of forgiveness and restoration. I want that restoration for Tommy and everyone else who has been affected by this. Snide remarks and hateful comments won't solve anything or bring healing to anyone. Only God's touch can do that.

Thank you for your prayers and thoughts as we all try to put this behind us. God bless.

If so, except for noting that TS had been out of the ministry for awhile before you ever wrote this (of his own accord) they were wise words, and I wonder how you and others could have moved so far away from them since then...

[Adam]

Like I said 3D, go back to your trench.  You are no better than a child molestor yourself. Your lame attempt of discrediting Duane is laughable.

A pastor told me he was certain 3ABN would stand much better with honesty and forthrightness that with all  these attempts at covering up.

When a liar tells you he's not been telling you the right things you know he's started telling you the truth, and you will admire him for it. Covering things is an abomination to the Lord, and it will get back at you if you do not repent.

That's exactly right. And the truth is that Tommy wouldn't be sitting where he is right now if he had owned up to what he did years ago. The longer you wait to confess, the less admiration you get when you finally do.

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriate to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a pedophile now, isn't it?

Did you write the following?

In conclusion, I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed. I grew up with the Shelton kids. They're almost like family to me. I hope that my coming forward doesn't end our friendships, although I'm sure it will never be the same from this point forward.

I ask all who read this to please pray for all those who have been directly involved, our families, our churches and yes, for Tommy Shelton also. It is my opinion that he needs to be out of the ministry right now, but he also needs the Lord's leadership as he deals with past issues. Our God is a God of judgment, but He is also a God of forgiveness and restoration. I want that restoration for Tommy and everyone else who has been affected by this. Snide remarks and hateful comments won't solve anything or bring healing to anyone. Only God's touch can do that.

Thank you for your prayers and thoughts as we all try to put this behind us. God bless.

If so, except for noting that TS had been out of the ministry for awhile before you ever wrote this (of his own accord) they were wise words, and I wonder how you and others could have moved so far away from them since then...

[ex3abnemployee]

Did Princessdi read before she posted, Duane?

How am I supposed to know that? You need to ask her.

She disagreed with "Truth" and  claimed: " he abused his position of authority as a beloved and respected pastor to Duane to have homosexual sex"

I thought you claimed that never happened Duane? The statement she was replying to and thanking you for says:
"Tommy and I would meet at his house, the church, the original 3ABN building, and even one night on a back country road...There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn't let it happen."

I know I read where you said on topix that you weren't molested, and added that you never even mentioned anything sexual in your statement. I remember you saying that same thing on BSDA. In fact when you objected to posters saying that you had been sexually molested Princessdi apologized to you... I am sure I can get the quotes if you don't recall...

I am not getting this at all.

Not surprising at all. There's a lot you and your ilk don't "get." I'm not explaining anything to a coward.

[ex3abnemployee]

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old on, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriately to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a dangerous pedophile now, and of being unable to own up to what he does wrong, isn't it?

I'm not the only victim. As far as what I said to Tommy, either post that stupid email or shut up about it.

Did you write the following?

In conclusion, I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed. I grew up with the Shelton kids. They're almost like family to me. I hope that my coming forward doesn't end our friendships, although I'm sure it will never be the same from this point forward.

I ask all who read this to please pray for all those who have been directly involved, our families, our churches and yes, for Tommy Shelton also. It is my opinion that he needs to be out of the ministry right now, but he also needs the Lord's leadership as he deals with past issues. Our God is a God of judgment, but He is also a God of forgiveness and restoration. I want that restoration for Tommy and everyone else who has been affected by this. Snide remarks and hateful comments won't solve anything or bring healing to anyone. Only God's touch can do that.

Thank you for your prayers and thoughts as we all try to put this behind us. God bless.

If so, except for noting that TS had been out of the ministry for awhile before you ever wrote this (of his own accord) they were wise words, and I wonder how you and others could have moved so far away from them since then...

I haven't moved from any of it. If you're inferring that I have changed my mind since I want to see justice done, that's asenine. The bottom line is, Tommy has had over 30 years to get his problem taken care of. He chose not to, so now the legal system is going to do it for him. This is NOT my fault, nor is it the fault of any other of his victims. This is TOMMY SHELTON'S fault. HE did this, no one else. Period. End of report.

[tinka]

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old on, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriately to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a dangerous pedophile now, and of being unable to own up to what he does wrong, isn't it?

So what would you be implying here? That all a person or (child) needs to do is except "Help" and "forgiveness" given by or to a perpetrator to get by until the next victim? In your first statements underlined you admit the happening and in your next sentences you try to put words into posts concluding that DC actually states it did not really happen. I did not see any of his posts where he said it did not happen but was worried because all grew up together and had friendships. Your statements are confusing and it appears it is trying to intimidate the witness of posting something not said so far that I can read.  With more then one victim, wouldn't you consider that to be a dangerous pedophile??

again you seem more then close to the situation.

[Pat Williams]

Didn't he own up and confess and apologize to you, Duane? Didn't he offer to help you in any way he could? Didn't you forgive him, or rather say there was nothing to forgive? And didn't that have zero to do with child molestation as you were a member of his church from 12 years old on, and counseled by him as a minor and he never touched you inappropriately or spoke inappropriately to you in all those years? Unexplainable behavior from a man you accuse of being a dangerous pedophile now, and of being unable to own up to what he does wrong, isn't it?

So what would you be implying here? That all a person or (child) needs to do is except "Help" and "forgiveness" given by or to a perpetrator to get by until the next victim? In your first statements underlined you admit the happening and in your next sentences you try to put words into posts concluding that DC actually states it did not really happen. I did not see any of his posts where he said it did not happen but was worried because all grew up together and had friendships. Your statements are confusing and it appears it is trying to intimidate the witness of posting something not said so far that I can read.  With more then one victim, wouldn't you consider that to be a dangerous pedophile??

again you seem more then close to the situation.

No, O clueless one, I am not saying anything or implying anything that you infer. I was referring to Duane's own conflicting statements. (You don't have to see them in order for he and I to know what they are, or for me to ask him about them.) He won't answer because he won't and can't, whether he knows who the person is or not, plain and simple, so has to call all cowards instead, or insult them in some other way.

Get this through your head. I am not trying to intimidate a witness because Duane isn't a witness, nor does his grievance against Tommy and the Sheltons have anything to do with child molestation or add anything to the "dangerous pedophile" allegations. The case in Virginia with the two alleged victims will be resolved in the courts without Duane for he has nothing to do with it.  That court will decide guilt or innocence based on the evidence, and the testimony of those who are involved.(which does not include Duane Clem, nor anything he has to say)  I have no problem with that. That is how it should be.

Duane keeps sticking his nose in as if it does have something to do with him, and his "snide and hateful comments" about all of the Sheltons and anyone who dare's to question him or who disagrees with him, are just as he said "not solving anything nor bringing healing to anyone", nor is it evident that he has personally put anything "behind him." He looks to be an absolute liar when he said "I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed." and has been working to do that ever since.

Justice can be served and the "pedophilia allegations" can be resolved, without catering to Duane's personal problems or anger and vindictiveness. The case in Virginia has NOTHING DO DO WITH DUANE CLEM. All he is doing is confusing people, and muddying the waters - princessdi for one, you for another...

That was my point and if I was trying to "imply" anything here that would be it. Stop drinking the kool-aid!

[GRAT]

3D - The one thing I would agree with on your posts is that what you say is a lot of "DO DO"!

[tinka]

Stop drinking the kool-aid! Stop drinking the kool-aid!

To use caches of another to make a point says a lot about a person.  The points you make will soon tell if valid. "A "clueless one can only determine what is posted" and the rest is documented and common sense. All (maybe) are on the table in the courts and hopefully "pew money" does not pay it out. Your positive view's sound a lot like Ian. and that would explain the "closeness" I am thinking for a "clueless one". Be carefull as I remember words and "phrases" used by individuals and how they use their adjectives, nouns, verbs & pronouns that make the distinction of differences or the same. If your points are not valid, what will you do next?? I for one wished and posted that "I wish all was not so"! but it appears to be --for the least said!

[Johann]

"Heat is in proportion to the want of true knowledge." 

[tinka]

My statement should have stated..To use caches of another to make (negative) point...... but many are true statements of quotations of wisdom used for understanding.

[ex3abnemployee]

No, O clueless one, I am not saying anything or implying anything that you infer. I was referring to Duane's own conflicting statements. (You don't have to see them in order for he and I to know what they are, or for me to ask him about them.) He won't answer because he won't and can't, whether he knows who the person is or not, plain and simple, so has to call all cowards instead, or insult them in some other way.

I have made NO conflicting statements. And again, I don't OWE you or anyone else any answers to anything. If I answer any specific questions, it will be in a courtroom, under oath. I am NOT afraid of doing that. Furthermore, I call you a coward because you ARE a coward. If you were an adult you would identify yourself before trying to niterrogate me.

Get this through your head. I am not trying to intimidate a witness because Duane isn't a witness, nor does his grievance against Tommy and the Sheltons have anything to do with child molestation or add anything to the "dangerous pedophile" allegations. The case in Virginia with the two alleged victims will be resolved in the courts without Duane for he has nothing to do with it.  That court will decide guilt or innocence based on the evidence, and the testimony of those who are involved.(which does not include Duane Clem, nor anything he has to say)  I have no problem with that. That is how it should be.

Duane keeps sticking his nose in as if it does have something to do with him, and his "snide and hateful comments" about all of the Sheltons and anyone who dare's to question him or who disagrees with him, are just as he said "not solving anything nor bringing healing to anyone", nor is it evident that he has personally put anything "behind him." He looks to be an absolute liar when he said "I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed." and has been working to do that ever since.

Justice can be served and the "pedophilia allegations" can be resolved, without catering to Duane's personal problems or anger and vindictiveness. The case in Virginia has NOTHING DO DO WITH DUANE CLEM. All he is doing is confusing people, and muddying the waters - princessdi for one, you for another...

That was my point and if I was trying to "imply" anything here that would be it. Stop drinking the kool-aid!

When and where have I tried to "insert myself into this." You and all the other defenders are the ones that keep bringing it  up. Also, you have NO idea whether I will be testifying or not.. Stop trying to convince everyone you have inside information on this case. You don't. You're just a Johnny come lately who wants to try to spin this favorably for Tommy. Not gonna work this time.