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[Artiste]

I wonder how some of the Seventh-day Adventist church leaders would react if 3ABN were named in a civil suit.

Would they still love being seen on 3ABN so much?

[Adam]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM 
The Washington Post reports  that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
...
...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are. 

It also states this:

Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney.   The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse.   Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.

[ex3abnemployee]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM 
The Washington Post reports  that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
...
...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are. 

It also states this:

Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney.   The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse.   Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.

Interesting that it says "individual" and not "minor" isn't it?

[Adam]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM 
The Washington Post reports  that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
...
...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are. 

It also states this:

Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney.   The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse.   Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.

Interesting that it says "individual" and not "minor" isn't it?

Yep!

[princessdi]

Don't argue, Snoopy, just learn.  Sometimes these things are not common knowledge, but there is no good reason why they sould not be, other than the person(s) has not encountered this type of situation before. Sexual and physical abuse are always companied by emotional and mental abuse.  they always have to keep the victim in a mind set to allow the abuse that is to come.  This always includes the tearing down of one's self image, which we know leads to all types of other unforntunate behaviors.

My point was that it would be all to easy for the DA to say that the reason the victim even turned to a life of crime, was because of the abuse.  It is not a hard case to prove.  That was my only point.  :-)

Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft,  robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS.  This is a typical text book response to abuse.  If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path.  This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA.  A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc.  In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility.  Got it?  But hey, those are just my thoughts.

I have neither the desire, inclination or energy to argue with you about this Diane.  I never took "Abuse 101".  I was simply trying to make the point that I don't think the young man does have a criminal record.  That's all.  Period.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Wouldn't this also make 3ABN responsible?

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

[Johann]

Here are some of the attorneys Tommy Shelton is facing in this case.

http://www.manlyandstewart.com/

[Johann]

Wouldn't this also make 3ABN responsible?

Why not?

[Johann]

Could this become one of the greatest obstacles the board of 3ABN has ever faced?

[ex3abnemployee]

Here are some of the attorneys Tommy Shelton is facing in this case.

http://www.manlyandstewart.com/

Looks like Tommy's attorneys have their work cut out for them, doesn't it?

[princessdi]

Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times.  I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN?  How so?  I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?

[Adam]

John C. Manly--Named one of California’s “Top 100 Attorneys” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal, and Orange County's most "Buzzworthy" attorney by Orange Coast Magazine, John C. Manly is the nation's leading attorney in the civil protection of victims of childhood sexual abuse.??

For the past fifteen years, John has been a leading civil authority on the Clergy Abuse Crisis in the United States and abroad. After winning a record settlement against the Diocese of Orange for his first clergy abuse client, John has built a powerful team of consultants and experts that is unmatched worldwide. Now representing more than 500 clients in numerous states, territories, and foreign countries, Manly and his team have been prominently featured in print and on broadcast news in the U.S. and abroad for their work to expose perpetrators and the men and women who cover up for them.

John and his team have won some of the largest monetary civil awards – in trial and settlement - for men and women who were sexually abused as children. The reason for their unrivaled success resides in their deep intrinsic knowledge in the institutions that have harbored sex offenders, including the Catholic Church.

In the past few years, John and his team have represented more than 150 clergy sexual abuse victims in California, including clients in the recent $100 million settlement against the Diocese of Orange, the $660 million settlement against the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and the $150 million settlement against the Diocese of San Diego. In Alaska, John has represented approximately 300 Alaska Native victims in a $50 million settlement against the Jesuit Order as well as victims in the Diocese of Fairbanks and in new cases against the Jesuits. ??

John’s recent work in Delaware representing more than 75 victims of child sexual abuse has led to the exposure of numerous clerics and employees who, despite credible allegations and/or confessions, were allowed to continue working with children. ??He also represents clients in Connecticut, South Dakota and New York.


Now this is interesting!

[Bob Pickle]

Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times.  I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN?  How so?  I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?

I think there may have been. At the very least, I recall at least one of the alleged victims saying that something happened on 3ABN's premises.

[ex3abnemployee]

Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times.  I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN?  How so?  I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?

I think there may have been. At the very least, I recall at least one of the alleged victims saying that something happened on 3ABN's premises.

I can tell you for a fact there were incidents while he was working for 3ABN.

[Artiste]

I can tell you for a fact there were incidents while he was working for 3ABN.

Doesn't sound good for 3ABN.