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[ex3abnemployee]

Could you refresh my memory by repeating that story? Even though I remember it well?

Are you sure?

[Snoopy]

Seems like I read the other day somebody over at topix suggesting that one of the alleged victims might have a criminal background?  If that were true, wouldn't TS lawyers have jumped all over that at the preliminary hearing?  I thought it was a pretty sick allegation to make.

[princessdi]

Why would they?  When the district attorney could just say that was just how much damage TS affected the lives of his victims.  I don't think that they want to open that can of worms.

[Snoopy]

Why would they?  When the district attorney could just say that was just how much damage TS affected the lives of his victims.  I don't think that they want to open that can of worms.

Because it would go to credibility, Diane.  But the point was that it simply is not true.

[christian]

I have been away for a while. I have tried to catch up on the news and this one really is news. I wonder what the people are saying who were so pro-shelton now. I do think it is a sad very very sad saga, but child molestation is a very serious offense. I find no joy out of what is going on and for the victims I am very sorry for the suffering they must endure. I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop, the one that brings 3abn to the spotlight. It is my prayer that none of the children there has been involved because if they have it will be terrible.

[princessdi]

LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent.....basically the same thing they were saying before the arrest.

Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft,  robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS.  This is a typical text book response to abuse.  If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path.  This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA.  A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc.  In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility.  Got it?  But hey, those are just my thoughts.

[Artiste]

LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...

They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?

[ex3abnemployee]

LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...

They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?

Actually, yes.

You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!

[christian]

LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...

They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?

Actually, yes.

You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!

At one point as the evidence gathers like the vulture over the dead or dying prey one will have to except the facts that something stinks. The problem is that it is often very difficult for people that have been brainwashed to be reprogrammed. As one gets older he understands where there is a large gathering of flies there is probably stink. Short of showing Tommy doing the deed those who have a vested interested in his innocence will continue to support the presumption that the man did nothing wrong when before them they have letters and the like etc... When it becomes scary is when the reported people of God church leaders still hold to the innocence when the bible says when two or three witnesses it is established. In this case there are multiple victims which is a sign something is definitely wrong.

[Snoopy]

Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft,  robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS.  This is a typical text book response to abuse.  If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path.  This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA.  A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc.  In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility.  Got it?  But hey, those are just my thoughts.

I have neither the desire, inclination or energy to argue with you about this Diane.  I never took "Abuse 101".  I was simply trying to make the point that I don't think the young man does have a criminal record.  That's all.  Period.

[Johann]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

[tinka]

What looks worse then... is that DS put him in the programing after he knew of TS criminal behavior. Records show DS knew way back with the proof of "statute of limitation" letters. Did TS then actually work with the children as a true fact or just his name on programming after this knowledge. I sort of remember that he did but do not trust my timing thoughts without going through tons of posts.

[ex3abnemployee]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

It's worse than that. My understanding is that they did indeed know of the allegations. I also understand that Tommy's ordination certificate was signed after knowledge of the allegations.

[tinka]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

It's worse than that. My understanding is that they did indeed know of the allegations. I also understand that Tommy's ordination certificate was signed after knowledge of the allegations.

so would both denominations be responsible? But then has victims came from both that will witness? hmmmm.

[Artiste]

http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/

This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?

Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM  
The Washington Post reports  that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
...
...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are.