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[Artiste]

It was brought to my attention that the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists is not allowing the Adventist Today journal to "stock, sell, promote, or advertise"  the book Fatal Accounts: The Audacity of an Adventist Auditor's Quest for Transparency by David Dennis, at the 2010 General Conference session in Atlanta, Georgia.

I agree with the general concept of not airing one's dirty laundry in public.

However, in looking over some of the David Dennis materials, I was struck by a startling similarity to some of the things discussed on Advent Talk Forum.

For instance, I ran across this sentence in "An Open Letter" addressed to Dr. Jan Paulsen, General Conference President from David Dennis dated October 30, 2001. 

With the help of millions of tithe dollars the GC repeatedly delayed the judicial process and blocked the discovery phase to keep from us documents we had requested showing to some degree the depth of corruption within the leadership of our church.

And then further on down:

At my hearing the group was carefully chosen for the “kangaroo court” without my input and I was denied the presence of an attorney.

(Does this remind anyone of Linda Shelton's experience?)

I had pointed to some of the same personal business ventures in which Folkenberg and his close friends were involved, such as the personal deals with ADRA concerning the computer sales...

Sounds reminiscent of Danny Shelton's book deals.

And finally,

Contrary to the charges leveled at me, I have been faithful to my marriage vows.  I have not been guilty, as publicly charged, of sexual misconduct.  I read a statement to the GC Committee, declaring unequivocally my innocence of the charges Folkenberg had brought. After reading the statement, which the executioners chose to totally ignore, I was ushered from the committee room.  I was not allowed to answer, nor even hear, the eloquent and lengthy presentations of Folkenberg’s chosen hatchet men.

Linda Shelton, again!

I am wondering if the reason the Seventh-day Adventist Church leadership has been so hesitant to take action to limit its relationship with 3ABN is that the two entities are much closer in principle than anyone would have thought!

[tinka]

That is how it appears! Sure is a sick feeling in the pit. Read about the future of SDA seemingly to decline many times and now it makes a beliver out of you. Seems like it is almost time to head for the hills. Any thing to stop the creeping up of"Omega" that is too hard to see or witness.

[RBF]

That is how it appears! Sure is a sick feeling in the pit. Read about the future of SDA seemingly to decline many times and now it makes a beliver out of you. Seems like it is almost time to head for the hills. Any thing to stop the creeping up of"Omega" that is too hard to see or witness.

The church does appear about to fall.  It looks depressing and hopeless.  Jesus also declares in Revelation 3:16 that He is about to spit us out.  Grave words but good news follows...be zealous therefore and repent.  He wouldn't have told us to repent if it weren't possible.  What a disgrace and shame these issues bring to the name of Jesus and His bride.  May I be willing to acknowledge where "Omega" is in me that Jesus may have His pure bride and not just an on and off again girlfriend.

[Artiste]

The church does appear about to fall. 

Do you think so?

[Artiste]

The church does appear about to fall. 

Do you think so?

Is the church's handling (or non-handling) of the 3ABN situation one of the things that makes it appear about to fall?

[tinka]

Well it does appear to be a very large scale that has fingers reaching into all and so many things with the 3abn at the top of the list.
Also I was so excited about finally SDA would have their own channel and now am in shock at what I am seeing. It almost appears it is being used to promote all that is against SP and everything goes, but then is that what Adventist's want because of "new change era"? I know a church where it is called SDA but people that go there want to wear jewelry, have band, drums, and charismatic movement and call it the contemporary worship hour. To me it is so bad that I do not feel to contribute tithe that is divided by the whole Conference any longer to assist them or their schools. The conference knows this so what is the use? What happens when you bring people into this false situation? Then there is no longer camp meetings and who cares as it was a waste of more tithe money. It is all going for nothing. I am fed up with it.  We now try to do things on an individual basis with friends, neighbors and do what we can for the sake of Jesus outside the church. Hoping when the time comes their choice will be for the right things according to God. I do not feel the church should take in new short term members in it's condition. Why do they allow "Hope" to do what they are doing? Why don't they stand up against the  3abn situation.  Why are the best all around evangelists mingling with the saga's that are on record for proof of criminal actions and yet to be discovered where the funds are?  Should that have been such a problem to show if innocent of squandering instead of having lawyers fight to keep everthing under lock and key and excelling in assets from public funds? and some come up with a stupid answer about the IRS and their proof of innocence? That is total insult of Intelligence.  Yes, these are the actions that give the appearances on a "world wide view". a fact is this --the sympathizers will pay the same price in the end as the ones who actually "misused the funds".

[tinka]

"The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine" 2 Timothy 4:3. That time has fully come. The multitudes do not want Bible truth, because it interferes with the desires of the sinful, world-loving heart; and Satan supplies the deceptions which they love.

[RBF]

The church does appear about to fall. 

Do you think so?

Is the church's handling (or non-handling) of the 3ABN situation one of the things that makes it appear about to fall?

Absolutely.  3ABN is just one example of "non-handling" that leads to this appearance.  The problem is greater than just the leadership.  People don't vote to remove people from office that are just like them.  The change needs to happen at the heart level in the local churches.  It also takes spiritual discernment to know and practice truth.  How many in our churches truly know, love and practice truth?  The Bible says, few...

RBF

[Johann]

It was brought to my attention that the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists is not allowing the Adventist Today journal to "stock, sell, promote, or advertise"  the book Fatal Accounts: The Audacity of an Adventist Auditor's Quest for Transparency by David Dennis, at the 2010 General Conference session in Atlanta, Georgia.

I agree with the general concept of not airing one's dirty laundry in public.

However, in looking over some of the David Dennis materials, I was struck by a startling similarity to some of the things discussed on Advent Talk Forum.

For instance, I ran across this sentence in "An Open Letter" addressed to Dr. Jan Paulsen, General Conference President from David Dennis dated October 30, 2001. 

With the help of millions of tithe dollars the GC repeatedly delayed the judicial process and blocked the discovery phase to keep from us documents we had requested showing to some degree the depth of corruption within the leadership of our church.

And then further on down:

At my hearing the group was carefully chosen for the “kangaroo court” without my input and I was denied the presence of an attorney.

(Does this remind anyone of Linda Shelton's experience?)

I had pointed to some of the same personal business ventures in which Folkenberg and his close friends were involved, such as the personal deals with ADRA concerning the computer sales...

Sounds reminiscent of Danny Shelton's book deals.

And finally,

Contrary to the charges leveled at me, I have been faithful to my marriage vows.  I have not been guilty, as publicly charged, of sexual misconduct.  I read a statement to the GC Committee, declaring unequivocally my innocence of the charges Folkenberg had brought. After reading the statement, which the executioners chose to totally ignore, I was ushered from the committee room.  I was not allowed to answer, nor even hear, the eloquent and lengthy presentations of Folkenberg’s chosen hatchet men.

Linda Shelton, again!

I am wondering if the reason the Seventh-day Adventist Church leadership has been so hesitant to take action to limit its relationship with 3ABN is that the two entities are much closer in principle than anyone would have thought!

David Dennis was at the Adventist Today booth at the last General Conference Session 2005 where he signed copies of his book.

[Artiste]

I wonder why it won't be allowed this year.

[Daryl Fawcett]

If it was allowed in 2005, which it obviously was, then I am also wondering why it won't be allowed in 2010?   

What happened between 2005 and 2010?

[Artiste]

Are we sure that it is the same book and author?

Perhaps there was something similar in 2005 that looked like this one.

[Artiste]

I started thinking about it and looked back at the announcement that Adventist Today had put out on March 3, 2010 about not being able to make it available for the Atlanta session this year because the GC told them that they could not exhibit if they did not comply.

It appears that the book came out in 2009.

I then looked at some past SDA forum Topix comments in 2009 and saw this one:

I have just received my copy of Fatal Accounts from Adventist Today and could not believe my eyes when I read about the wholesale corruption in the church. What else are they hiding? Can we still trust the so-called "leaders"?

[Artiste]

Now I see this comment also from the same forum in 2009:

If the statements of Dennis is not true e.g. the evil deeds of 3ABN president, Gilley, they will probably sue him soon.

Does anyone know what the David Dennis' book says about Jim Gilley?

[Bob Pickle]

David Dennis was at the Adventist Today booth at the last General Conference Session 2005 where he signed copies of his book.

Johann, are you sure it was David Dennis?

Does anyone know what the David Dennis' book says about Jim Gilley?

I don't have a copy of the book, but a draft included this:

While my case was still in Court the General Conference appointed a known adulterer, James Gilley, as an officer of the North American church.

That accusation sheds a little light on Gailon's release about Gilley becoming 3ABN president: http://www.save-3abn.com/news-releases-jim-gilley-new-president-08-31-07.htm.