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[GRAT]

#54 (Guidance) - 01. Joshua Lance & Wen-Ting Ong "Thy Word", 02.Cadet Sisters "Savior Like a Shepherd", 03. Thompsonville Chimes "Savior Lead Us", 04. Sofia Tsatalbasidis "Let the Lord Lead Your Way", 05. Nyth Halvors    This is the current listing for Kids Time Praise on April 22.    April 1, 6, and 8 just listed the singers.  Then on the 13th it changed to singers and song name, through the 22nd.  The 27th is back to listing just the singers and the person accompanying them in ().  Not sure what this means if anything.  Just that it changed the day the post came out.  I am awaiting a reply from 3ABN regarding TS being listed.  Will probably be waiting for a long time.   

[Artiste]

By the way, if you want to see a picture of Tommy on one of 3ABN's websites, see http://store.3abn.org/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=3ABN&Product_Code=3ABN027-2.

Interesting to see Tommy Shelton, alleged pedophile, on the album cover with Danny and Melody...with the top of the website advertising "3ABN, Broadcasting the THREE ANGELS' MESSAGES Around the World".

[Artiste]

Also interesting to hear the audio online, the beginning of the comments for the album, introduced by Tommy Shelton, who states that it is in memory of Danny's first wife, killed in a car accident.

(Danny Shelton of "Moses' previous wife had been murdered, and yet God used him".)

[princessdi]

Gurl, please.  Anybody who goes on for more than a year talking what a shame it is to sue nwomeon within the Household of Faith and they should not waste donor money paying for lawyers, etc., and then when the suit is dropped, decide they really want to be sued....................is out to get somebody.  Now they can just admit that.  They want Danny out of 3ABN, and maybe Linda restored, but in the meantime they are doing everything imagineable to destroy Danny.  They accuse him of every sin known to man.

Now, I believe that Danny has committed a great many transgressions against God and man(and woman), however, that does not make hime the spawn of satan Bob and Gailon attempt to make him. Let's not act like we don't know what going on.

Di,

 Bob and Gailon did not destroy the Sheltons or crusaded for it. The Sheltons destroyed theirselves and Bob and Gailon have been brave enough to expose it.  
Your right about one thing and that was my point too. They should have quit before -instead of going on acting like all was kosher and they will put the noose on all by themselves. but that for sure is the way of psychopath actions. They really do not fanthom and justify what they did wrong. This is worse then brazen! Now when court convicts with evidence the public will masacre the church. But they have had their chance long ago.

[Artiste]

princess di, the documented problems of 3ABN go deep and far back in time; they far exceed Danny Shelton, but began with him and some of his family members.

[tinka]

  They want Danny out of 3ABN, and maybe Linda restored, but in the meantime they are doing everything imagineable to destroy Danny. 

Di,

Now that is your speculation and theory. For over many years of posters on AT the objections and facts are far more reaching then your statement or understanding of why something has to be done. Sooner or later you will have to recognize right from wrong and not just catch a few lines here or there. Someone has to stop the immoral sins that are stealing, aiding and covering against others under the cloak of SDA.

[Bob Pickle]

Gurl, please.  Anybody who goes on for more than a year talking what a shame it is to sue nwomeon within the Household of Faith and they should not waste donor money paying for lawyers, etc., and then when the suit is dropped, decide they really want to be sued....................is out to get somebody.

That misrepresents what is going on.

Call up Danny, Walt, Jim Gilley, their lawyers, whomever you want, and ask them if they will release us from the confidentiality order, something they want to use to shut us up under threat of dragging us back into court.

If they want a permanent injunction, then they need to prove their case first. If they don't want to do that, then the threats need to stop.

Remember how this year Simpson threatened to try to hold us in contempt of court if we published documents that don't qualify for protection under the confidentiality order?

I am an American citizen, and I'm not about to surrender the rights I have under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

[Little Grasshopper]

I am an American citizen, and I'm not about to surrender the rights I have under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Yep, even "nobodies"  have rights under the U.S. Constitution.

Some religious denominations have lots of colleges and universities, but they don't have any prominent law schools because the denominations don't want the "nobodies" to learn that the U.S Constitution exists, or that the "little people" have legal rights.

And then when those big, religious denominations need legal protection, themselves, they hire prominent Catholic law firms in Washington DC.  Next,  the denominations file lawsuits against their own membership bases -- membership bases that are listed in the headquarters accounting books not as memberships, but as "sources of income."

Can you think of any religious denominations like that?

And don't think the church hospital or printing press employees, etc., are going to get any representation from a labor union steward, because that's been outlawed as well.  What good does it do to eliminate lawyers and law schools if union representatives can fill  the void?  Unions must also die.

In steps the ACLU to fill the legal void created, but is thoroughly despised and maligned by "religious liberty" experts, everywhere, because the ACLU upsets the various church apple carts. The ACLU does the devil's work by franchising  the disenfranchised -- protecting legal rights of those who have been carefully convinced they have none.

But,  I won't name any names.  If you should see a shoe that fits feel free to wear it.  

When you have labor unions you can't fire employees because a Norwegian doctor gave a woman a watch. There's no Ph.D in education, wandering the halls on campus, asking all the other employees about just one employee, using push-polling techniques to discover fire-able offenses and to foam dissent against that one employee.

 Unions subdue the tyrants of the campus, more often than not.  And there are lots of tyrants out there, believe me.
Unions also improve safety and health issues.  And, more often than not,  the buildings in unionized environments are not used for sexual rendezvous by the adult employees and the under-aged, either.  And when something does happen it gets stomped out.

The people at 3ABN actually need union representation, in my opinion.  I understand they don't even have a retirement plan for the employees. That would be unthinkable in a union environment.  An employee union would take care of the employees before the company started transferring substantial amounts of cash to the management as "non-compete" clauses, houses, real estate, "royalties" on books, jet airplanes, etc.

The mine in West Virgina where about 25 miners died was non-union, by the way. Rush Limbaugh has asked, "Where were the unions?"  Well, there wasn't any, Rush.  The union was unable to successfully organize there.  The rest is history. The mine had, by some estimates,  more than 3,000 unresolved safety violations

And what about a tornado?  Where are the designated tornado shelters for the 3ABN employees?  3ABN is in Tornado Alley.  These are things labor unions spend their time thinking about.

An interesting article, here.

http://www.truthout.org/missing-lesson-from-mine-tragedy-union-busting-death58501

Little Grasshopper

[Pat Williams]

Gurl, please.  Anybody who goes on for more than a year talking what a shame it is to sue nwomeon within the Household of Faith and they should not waste donor money paying for lawyers, etc., and then when the suit is dropped, decide they really want to be sued....................is out to get somebody.

That misrepresents what is going on...

Quoting in part from a new post here.   
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1833.msg23920.html#new

The history of this case is easy to explain up to the point when Plaintiffs asked Judge Saylor to dismiss it because they felt they had achieved all of their non-monetary objectives, and it was clear that the defendants’ financial condition made them judgmentproof. But after Judge Saylor granted the motion, the litigation took a bad bounce. Pickle and Joy commenced a campaign to resurrect 3ABN’s claims against them by filing motion upon motion and appeal after appeal seeking to undo Judge Saylor’s order granting dismissal. If they had succeeded, their prize would have been exposure to a claim for damages. Their claim that they hope to use the forum of this litigation to prove the truth of their allegedly defamatory statements “beyond a reasonable doubt” is specious. Their best-case-outcome was a judgment of non-liability, not a finding that their statements were true.

    In the 19 months from the inception of this case to its dismissal in November of 2008, there were 129 electronic court filings in this matter. But since then, Pickle and Joy have managed to keep this case alive for an additional 17 months and over 200 electronic court filings in this Court and the First Circuit Court of Appeals. They have literally doubled the size, and nearly doubled the length, of this litigation by their meritless, duplicative and seemingly endless motions, motions to reconsider, motions to supplement, objections to rulings of the Magistrate, and appeals when their motions are denied. Their efforts have achieved exactly nothing, unless the point was to waste an enormous amount of judicial and party resources and smear the reputations of everyone who comes into contact with them and this case.

Doc 249 Filed 04-15-10

[Little Grasshopper]

So, 3ABN_Defender,

What was your point?

Unless Elijah's mantle fell in downtown MInneapolis you are not quoting Scripture. 

I'm itchy to see more 3ABN  "fact finding" committees.  That worked out so well.

[princessdi]

A few questions Bob:

Did you not complain for all that time about being sued, and it being an inappropriate use of donor funds?

Did you not contest the dismissal of the suit?

Do you not want DLS gone from 3ABN, because you believe he is a negaitve influence on that ministry. 

Would you possibly like to reinstate LS to 3ABN?


Those are the only areas I am concerned about.  Getting into the details of the case is a trick.  I dont' care about that.  Botton line you complain about being sued, and when the suit was called off you contested it.  Which is it?  You can even say that you didn't realize all the ramifications about calling off the suit, anything.  But as it stands it seems you are double minded, and we know what the Bible says about that, right? 

That misrepresents what is going on.

Call up Danny, Walt, Jim Gilley, their lawyers, whomever you want, and ask them if they will release us from the confidentiality order, something they want to use to shut us up under threat of dragging us back into court.

If they want a permanent injunction, then they need to prove their case first. If they don't want to do that, then the threats need to stop.

Remember how this year Simpson threatened to try to hold us in contempt of court if we published documents that don't qualify for protection under the confidentiality order?

I am an American citizen, and I'm not about to surrender the rights I have under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

[Bob Pickle]

A few questions Bob:

Did you not complain for all that time about being sued, and it being an inappropriate use of donor funds?

Yes.

Did you not contest the dismissal of the suit?

Not the dismissal per se, but the type of dismissal. They weren't entitled to a dismissal without prejudice in which they take away all the fruits of discovery, leaving us vulnerable to be sued again at any time over the very same issues, and then threatening us again right afterwards, threatening to haul us into court if we revealed anything from the documents we got from Dunn Loring pertaining to the pedophilia allegations against Tommy. The confidentiality order couldn't possibly apply to those documents.

Do you not want DLS gone from 3ABN, because you believe he is a negaitve influence on that ministry.

Sounds like the only appropriate thing to do.

Would you possibly like to reinstate LS to 3ABN?

I've never thought that was a real good idea. How often when a pastor moves on does he come back to the same church to pastor again? It just didn't sound like the best idea. On the other hand, it's not something I'm going to crusade against if that's what the 3ABN Board voted to do.

Those are the only areas I am concerned about.  Getting into the details of the case is a trick.  I dont' care about that.

Then you're never going to understand, and you just have to realize that I am concerned about the details, and about my future, and I don't want this to go on forever, and I'm not surrendering my free speech rights, and so I will be fighting this until those objectives are obtained.

Botton line you complain about being sued, and when the suit was called off you contested it.  Which is it?

If you want to oversimplify it, then just say that they never really called it off, because if they had they would never have kept threatening us and trying to use the confidentiality order like a permanent injunction.

[Artiste]

Very good and clear explanations, Bob!

[princessdi]

Over simplify?   Ok..  So you didn't mind the dismissal, as long as you got to keep all that you acquired in legal/somewhat legal discovery?   Bob, you should know that they could have done any differently.  You all believe "all is fair" in the war to destroy Danny, and every single bit of that would have found it's way to the internet.  Why do you believe they would just give you that?

[Bob Pickle]

Over simplify?   Ok..  So you didn't mind the dismissal, as long as you got to keep all that you acquired in legal/somewhat legal discovery?   Bob, you should know that they could have done any differently.  You all believe "all is fair" in the war to destroy Danny, and every single bit of that would have found it's way to the internet.  Why do you believe they would just give you that?

Di, the simple facts are that no litigant has the automatic right to take all discovery away from another litigant.

If they wanted to take everything from us, they could have at least offered to dismiss with prejudice in exchange in order to remove the threat of our being sued again.

What if they took everything away and then trumped up some reason to sue us again? Then we have to litigate for 18 months in 4 states again before we get to the same place, and finally get our documents? No way.

And remember, I have very damaging emails about Tammy Shelton Chance and Melody Shelton Mundall Mundall Firestone. And I have three years of Danny's tax returns. I've had these things for years now and haven't published any of them. I made that point over two years ago, from what I recall. Their claim that I will publish everything on the net is bogus, and my decision not to publish that stuff shows that I won't.