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[Cindy]

I wonder if anybody will be informed if and when the subpoena info is sent out by BlueHost.

I wonder if I will be informed that subpoenas were issued???

Gailon Arthur Joy

 

Filed and entered: March 13, 2008

In re ) Chapter 7, No. 07-43128-JBR

GAILON ARTHUR JOY, Debtor

Adv. Proceeding No. 07-4173

GAILON ARTHUR JOY, Plaintiff

VS

 THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK, INC., DANNY LEE SHELTON, JOHN P. PUCCI, ESQ., 

GERALD S. DUFFY, ESQ., FIERST, PUCCI & KANE, LLP, and SIEGEL BRILL GRUEPNER DUFFY & FOSTER, P.A, Defendants

2. Pursuant to an Order of this Court dated March 3, 2008 authorizing 3ABN and Shelton to conduct a Rule 2004 Examination of the Plaintiff (who is also the Debtor in the underlying Chapter 7 case), 3ABN and Shelton have issued a Subpoena for the production of documents and other information and to conduct a Rule 2004 Examination. That Examination is currently scheduled to take place on April 15, 2008.  --

PACER Court Docket Entry:
"70 -- Filed & Entered:  03/03/2008  Order on Motion for Examination
Docket Text: Endorsed Order Dated 3/3/08 Granting [69] Motion filed by Creditor Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. for 2004 Examination of Gailon Arthur Joy. ALLOWED.
NO OBJECTIONS FILED. (mbd, USBC)"


Document 69:

UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS


_______________________________ )

In re ) Chapter 7, No. 07-43128-JBR

)

GAILON ARTHUR JOY )

)

Debtor )

)



MOTION OF THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK, INC.

FOR AN ORDER AUTHORIZING AND COMPELLING EXAMINATION OF GAILON ARTHUR JOY UNDER FEDERAL RULE OF BANKRUPTCY PROCEDURE 2004



To the HONORABLE JOEL B. ROSENTHAL, Bankruptcy Judge:


Now comes Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., (“3ABN”), a creditor and party in interest, and hereby moves this Court for the entry of an Order authorizing 3ABN to conduct an examination of Gailon Arthur Joy (“Debtor” or “Joy”) pursuant to Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 2004 and compelling the Debtor to participate in such an examination. In support thereof, 3ABN represents as follows:

1. The above-referenced Debtor filed a Voluntary Petition in Massachusetts seeking relief under the provisions of Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code on August 14, 2007 (“Petition Date”).


2. Janice G. Marsh is the duly appointed Chapter 7 Trustee in this case and continues to serve in that capacity.


3. On April 6, 2007, 3ABN and one of its founders, Danny Lee Shelton (“Shelton”), commenced an action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts entitled Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., an Illinois non-profit corporation and Danny Lee Shelton v. Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, which case is pending as Case No. 4:07-cv-40098-FDS (“Civil Action”). As stated in more detail in other pleadings previously filed in this case, 3ABN is an entity founded in Illinois in the mid 1980’s to operate and manage a Christian television and radio broadcast ministry. 3ABN’s slate of programming includes both spiritual and lifestyle presentations, and it has a ministry focus of “Mending Broken People”.


4. Over the past two decades, 3ABN has spent enormous resources to promote its message and publicizing itself though advertising, live events, direct mail campaigns, and group presentations. The result of this effort is that 3ABN is now one of the larger Christian networks in North America, broadcasting 24 hour television and radio programming to viewers and listeners that are estimated to number well into the millions. In addition to its headquarters in Illinois, it also operates facilities in Russia, the Philippines and New Guinea.


5. In order to provide its programming, to retain current viewers and listeners and to attract new ones, 3ABN depends on its reputation and goodwill. Most of its operations are funded by the donations of viewers and supporters.


6. To help protect this reputation and goodwill, 3ABN has registered “3ABN” and “Three Angels Broadcasting Network” as trademarks with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Additionally, 3ABN also has a significant internet operation, primarily through its website, www.3abn.org (targeting North American audiences), and through secondary websites www.3abnaustralia.org.au (for Australia) and www.3angels.ru (for Russia). These websites offer pastoral support, streaming audio and video programming and information about 3ABN’s mission and operations. Visitors to the websites can also purchase books and recordings produced by 3ABN and can make donations to its ministry.


7. In order to protect its trademarks and to use the 3ABN marks on the internet, 3ABN has registered over 3 dozen domain names, all of which contain the “3ABN” trademark, including but not limited to 3ABN.com, 3ABN.org, 3ABN.tv, 3ABNtelevision.com, 3ABNradio.com, 3ABNmusic.com, 3ABNbooks.com, 3ABNtv.com, and 3ABNtv.org.

8. In January 2007, 3ABN discovered that the Debtor had registered the domain name “save3ABN.com”. In March 2007, 3ABN further discovered that the Debtor had registered the domain name “save3ABN.org” and that the website at www.save3ABN.org directs visitors to the www.save3ABN.com website. These two websites that the Debtor has registered were not listed as assets in his bankruptcy schedules.


9. According to 3ABN, the website at www.save3ABN.com contains information that is antithetical to 3ABN’s message, and contains gross misstatements of fact concerning 3ABN’s actions and operations, and contains baseless and untrue allegations of criminal conduct by 3ABN, Shelton and persons involved with 3ABN, and also contains disparaging characterizations of 3ABN, its broadcast network and Shelton. 3ABN has also maintained that the Debtor embedded these websites with the metatags “3ABN”, “3-ABN”, and “Three Angels Broadcasting Network”, which are words and phrases used by internet search engines to locate websites that use 3ABN trademarks.


10. In the Civil Action, 3ABN alleges that the save3ABN.com and save3ABN.org domains and websites, as well as the use of the metatags as described above, incorporate 3ABN’s trademark that it has used continuously for over 20 years in connection with its ministry, broadcasts and audio and video programming, and as such, infringes on those trademark rights. Additionally, the Debtor’s statements on his website about 3ABN and Shelton are defamatory in nature.


11. On November 21, 2007, this Court allowed 3ABN’s Motion for Relief from Stay permitting 3ABN to, among other things, seek injunctive relief in the Civil Action to prevent the Debtor from continuing to use the 3ABN.com and 3ABN.org domains and websites, from continuing to defame and disparage 3ABN and Shelton, and from continuing to interfere with 3ABN’s business.


12. As disclosed to the Court in connection with the January 31, 2008 hearing in this case that took place on the sale of the domain names 3ABN.com and 3ABN.org from the Trustee to 3ABN, it appears that the domain names may have been transferred to entities controlled by Robert Pickle, the Debtor’s co-defendant in the Civil Action. 3ABN and Shelton believe that the Debtor and Mr. Pickle are acting in concert with respect to the various violations asserted by 3ABN and Shelton in the Civil Action.


13. Given the above-described circumstances concerning the Debtor’s ownership and alleged transfer of the domain names, 3ABN and Shelton request authority to examine the Debtor pursuant to Rule 2004 of the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure concerning his past and present ownership of any assets, claims and property rights, including domain names.



14. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 2004, the Court may authorize the examination of any person on all matters pertaining to the conduct, property, liabilities and financial condition of the Debtor, or any matter which may affect the administration of the Debtor’s estate.


15. 3ABN believes that it is essential that it be authorized to examine Gailon Arthur Joy, and that he be ordered to produce documents in connection with that examination, so that 3ABN and any other party in interest, including the Chapter 7 Trustee, can:


(a) determine the status and history of the ownership by the Debtor of any assets, including internet domain names;


(b) assess the value of any assets owned, controlled or formerly owned or controlled by the Debtor;


(c) determine the extent of any transfers between the Debtor and any other parties, to assess whether the estate has any avoidance of other rights arising from said transfers; and


(d) obtain information on any other matter, including, but not limited to, past, present and anticipated income sources.


The documents, data, and information that will be requested will include, but are not limited to, the categories of items described on the attached Exhibit “A”.


16. If the relief requested herein is granted, 3ABN shall extend an invitation to the Chapter 7 Trustee to participate in any examination to be conducted. 3ABN will assume the financial responsibility of transcription and other expenses associated with the examination with the exception of those incurred by the Debtor. Furthermore, 3ABN proposes that such examination take place at the offices of Hendel & Collins, P.C., 101 State Street, Springfield, Massachusetts.


WHEREFORE, 3ABN respectfully requests the entry of an Order authorizing and compelling the immediate examination of the Debtor and directing the Debtor to produce documents, data and information to be requested by 3ABN which shall pertain to the Debtor’s financial affairs, including, but not limited to, the categories of items described on the attached Exhibit “A”.


THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK, INC.


Dated: February 15, 2008

By: /s/ George I. Roumeliotis

JOSEPH B. COLLINS, ESQ.

(BBO#092660)

GEORGE I. ROUMELIOTIS, ESQ.

(BBO#564943)

For HENDEL & COLLINS, P.C.

101 State Street

Springfield, MA 01103

Tel. (413) 734-6411

groumeliotis@hendelcollins.com






Y:\uSERS\clIENT\three\Motion for Rule 2004 exam.doc



Exhibit “A”


Document, Data and Information Categories


1. Any and all documents, data and information, whether in paper or electronic form, in the Debtor’s possession, custody or control that identify or relate to the ownership, registration, hosting, billing, appraisal, value or transfer of, or relationship among, any internet domain names ever registered in the name of the Debtor or Robert Pickle, or any entity of which the Debtor or Robert Pickle is or was a shareholder, officer or director. Such internet domain names include, but are not limited to “save3abn.com”, “save3abn.org”, “save-3abn.com”, “save-3abn.org” and the information sought includes data relating to the pointing by one or more of said domain names to any other domain names or websites.


2. Any and all documents, data and information, whether in paper or electronic form, in the Debtor’s possession, custody or control that identify or relate to the ownership, transfer, appraisal or value of any real estate ever owned by the Debtor or any business or entity of which the Debtor is or was a shareholder, owner, officer or director.


3. Any and all documents, data and information, whether in paper or electronic form, in the Debtor’s possession, custody or control that identify or relate to the ownership or transfer of any bank, brokerage, financial, or retirement accounts ever owned by the Debtor or any business or entity of which the Debtor is or was a shareholder, owner, officer or director.


4. Any and all documents, data and information, whether in paper or electronic form, in the Debtor’s possession, custody or control that identify or relate to the ownership, operation, value or appraisal of any businesses, whether incorporated or not, in which the Debtor has or had any ownership, beneficial or equity ownership, or of which the Debtor is or was an officer or director, including, but not limited to, appraisals, financial statements, closing statements, invoices, check registers, bank account statements, balance sheets, and reports.


5. Federal and state tax returns for the 2005 and all subsequent tax years prepared or filed by the Debtor and/or any business or entity in which the Debtor is or was a shareholder, owner, officer or director.


6. Any and all documents, data and information, whether in paper or electronic form, in the Debtor’s possession, custody or control that describes or evidences any income or gifts received by the Debtor from any and all sources from January 1, 2005 to the present, and that describes or evidences any income or gifts that the Debtor anticipates receiving in the future.


7. Any persons known to the Debtor to have knowledge of, or who have participated in, any transfer or registration of any of the assets (including domain names) or who may have copies of any documents described in Categories 1 through 6 above.

[Bob Pickle]

Cindy, as you have done before, you have misinterpreted what has been stated. Gailon maintains that he was never served by Plaintiffs' counsel a copy of the subpoena to BlueHost, or a copy of the first subpoena served on Calvin.

I never received from their counsel a copy of the first subpoena served on Calvin.

What you posted is totally irrelevant to the question Gailon raised.

[inga]

Filed and entered: March 13, 2008

In re ) Chapter 7, No. 07-43128-JBR

GAILON ARTHUR JOY, Debtor

Adv. Proceeding No. 07-4173

GAILON ARTHUR JOY, Plaintiff

VS

 THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK, INC., DANNY LEE SHELTON, JOHN P. PUCCI, ESQ., 

Motion filed by Creditor Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. for 2004 Examination of Gailon Arthur Joy.

The whole 3ABN/Shelton maneuver re the bankruptcy proceedings is utterly absurd. How can they by party to the bankruptcy proceedings when Gailon does not owe them anything? In what possible way are 3ABN/Dan Shelton "creditors" of Gailon Joy?

Did they lend him money?

Did they sell him something for which he did not pay?

If their claims are not eventually thrown right out of court, it will be evident that the American justice system is more "broken" than I had imagined.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

The problem in the BK is no longer issues relating to Save3ABN, or any sums that they believe we owe them, although they would like to think there is. It is the fact that we filed an adversarial proceeding in the US Bk Court against 3ABN, DLS and Atty's Pucci, Hayes and Duffy, their Attorneys.

In other words they are being sued in this action: In Re: Gailon Arthur Joy -VS-
3ABN, DLS, Pucci, Hayes & Duffy for their actions in the US BK court. This is just the first of at least three legal counter-offensives against 3ABN, DLS, et al, directors, officers and members, and thier various counsel and consultants,  which must be undertaken to let 3ABN, its Officers and Directors, most specifically Garwin McNeilus, know what their limits really are. An essential part of this process to guarantee that none others that come after ever shall have to worry about misuse of process claims from these miscreants of due process.
 
In fact we are contemplating venue for one such action this very evening.
Actually, the US District Court Judge in Benton and his Judge Magistrate seem to be quite conservative- one is a Reagan Appointee and the other a Bush 41 appointee. They tend to stay away from "legislating from the bench" and follow
the law. It just may be a good venue for at least one such challenge.

Of course we will also have to enforce the Auditors Subpoena there, as well. And keep in mind, now that the Judge has ordered the production of the bank statements, add this to the Auditors paperwork and then the documents from
Remnant and we will have a pretty complete picture including where to find that $10,000 check they keep insisting never happened that went to Tommy Shelton. That is the one we have statements from three people claiming it happened, one actually saw the original check. The most important reason to produce it is that it goes to the credibility of the plaintiffs and Tommy Shelton.

In any event, justice will be served and just give it time. The BK will be evaporated in time, again patience is in order. We will have the evidence we need to easily defend ourselves and we will have our basis for our own counterclaims soon enough. Everything takes time and needs to be done methodically and purposely.

Perhaps, Bob, we should send Ian a copy of the Adversarial Proceeding...oh yeah, she clearly has access to PACER and can get it herself!!!

Ian, in time it will be your turn!!! You are such a fruitbowl full of information and opinion that we cannot let the opportunity to question you and your mother go without giving you your day in the limelight. And the opportunity to give us your explanation for the evidence. It will be an "in minitaure" version of the final judgement... the evidence flashes before your eyes and you suddenly realize just how wrong you have been...will you confess all and turn upon those who have mislead you or will you stand in the judgement hall defiant against the preponderance of the evidence to the bitter end???

In the interim, we will continue to pray for you, as we should all pray for each other. This is, after all, an unfortunate conflict that could most readilly have been resolved directly with the board or before ASI...but the terms of accountability were just too difficult for the pride of 3ABN or its Directors and officers to accept. They have opted for the sword of litigation and they shall die by the sword of litigation. And the TRUTH will be known!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Cindy]

The problem in the BK is no longer issues relating to Save3ABN, or any sums that they believe we owe them, although they would like to think there is. It is the fact that we filed an adversarial proceeding in the US Bk Court against 3ABN, DLS and Atty's Pucci, Hayes and Duffy, their Attorneys.

In other words they are being sued in this action: In Re: Gailon Arthur Joy -VS-
3ABN, DLS, Pucci, Hayes & Duffy for their actions in the US BK court. This is just the first of at least three legal counter-offensives against 3ABN, DLS, et al, directors, officers and members, and thier various counsel and consultants,  which must be undertaken to let 3ABN, its Officers and Directors, most specifically Garwin McNeilus, know what their limits really are. An essential part of this process to guarantee that none others that come after ever shall have to worry about misuse of process claims from these miscreants of due process.
 
In fact we are contemplating venue for one such action this very evening.
Actually, the US District Court Judge in Benton and his Judge Magistrate seem to be quite conservative- one is a Reagan Appointee and the other a Bush 41 appointee. They tend to stay away from "legislating from the bench" and follow
the law. It just may be a good venue for at least one such challenge.

Of course we will also have to enforce the Auditors Subpoena there, as well. And keep in mind, now that the Judge has ordered the production of the bank statements, add this to the Auditors paperwork and then the documents from
Remnant and we will have a pretty complete picture including where to find that $10,000 check they keep insisting never happened that went to Tommy Shelton. That is the one we have statements from three people claiming it happened, one actually saw the original check. The most important reason to produce it is that it goes to the credibility of the plaintiffs and Tommy Shelton.

In any event, justice will be served and just give it time. The BK will be evaporated in time, again patience is in order. We will have the evidence we need to easily defend ourselves and we will have our basis for our own counterclaims soon enough. Everything takes time and needs to be done methodically and purposely.

Perhaps, Bob, we should send Ian a copy of the Adversarial Proceeding...oh yeah, she clearly has access to PACER and can get it herself!!!

Ian, in time it will be your turn!!! You are such a fruitbowl full of information and opinion that we cannot let the opportunity to question you and your mother go without giving you your day in the limelight. And the opportunity to give us your explanation for the evidence. It will be an "in minitaure" version of the final judgement... the evidence flashes before your eyes and you suddenly realize just how wrong you have been...will you confess all and turn upon those who have mislead you or will you stand in the judgement hall defiant against the preponderance of the evidence to the bitter end???

In the interim, we will continue to pray for you, as we should all pray for each other. This is, after all, an unfortunate conflict that could most readilly have been resolved directly with the board or before ASI...but the terms of accountability were just too difficult for the pride of 3ABN or its Directors and officers to accept. They have opted for the sword of litigation and they shall die by the sword of litigation. And the TRUTH will be known!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

There has been no public posts, replies, nor worries expressed here despite the fact that Joy has been asked to provide so much more info in his subpoena,then BSDA, or even bluehost was asked for in their subpoenas regarding you all, and the mirror save 3abn sites... and that did engender so many comments and questions and opinions..

Doesn't that seem strange? It does to me. I can't help but think it does to the readers here also...

Doesn't anyone wonder why neither Pickle or Joy has explained this subpoena or examination, or posted what happened at Joy's examination yesterday, or told you what info he handed over about you all, or how he instead fought this on your behalf?

It's true I do have access to PACER, and there is zero, zip, nada zilch, regarding Gailon Joy fighting or resisting his subpoena despite all his words and claims here about what others should do, and even about your rights and how you should all join him in a suit, etc...

And despite his claims and calls for making all known, and being accountable, do you know where the money has gone or how it has been applied since you all started trying to help what you thought was a worthy cause?

Maybe you should all ask... and ask for documentation to prove it. He's accountable to you "stockholders" and any others who inquire, according to his own standards. The books should be open , right?

I would just like to add here that despite all Joy's threats against myself, and others ( including my Mom, who he keeps trying to bring into this. Give me a break!) and intimidation techniques.  I have always been upfront and honest about where I get information and where it is doccumented, and stated when it is my opinion and what it is based on.

So my opinions:

If Joy wants to depose me, or sue me or whatever, I could care less....
His money his time, his loss... I just can't understand why you all see threats in everything, and don't batt an eyelash when your side keeps making threats...

 BUT as far as his claims about me being possibly deposed goes, and that being a in minature version of the final judgment?? I must protest most strongly! That's just flat out arrogant and blasphemous! In my opinion Joy needs to get down off that judgment seat of Christ, and stop pretending to be like the most high.

In addition: as far as his adversarial proceedings go? well you all say you shouldn't sue the brethren... (remember that?)

and it's already been dismissed once because he couldn't and didn't prove his case. He appealed, amended his complaint. I guess we'll see what happens next...

If he continues to keep you uniformed and in the dark? well as long as I am allowed to post here, I'll keep you updated.

Blessings,
 "the fruitbowl"

edit note
 "it's already been dismissed once because he couldn't and didn't prove his case. He appealed." was incorrect. I apologise.

I should have said
"it's already been dismissed once because he couldn't and didn't prove his case. He amended his complaint" I edited my post above to reflect that.

[Bob Pickle]

I'll reply to one point.

Why should Gailon fight the subpoena if he had nothing to hide?

Perhaps if he had, he could have saved 3ABN from paying yet another plane ticket for Jerrie Hayes.

[Cindy]

I'll reply to one point.

Why should Gailon fight the subpoena if he had nothing to hide?
...

Dear Readers and Members,

Is this a legitimate question or point?

Ask yourselves this.

Is Calvin fighting his/BSDA's subpoena because he has something to hide, or because he is concerned about your rights, and being accountable as a forum owner to his members?

Did you all protest and get upset about your login info and id's being subpoena'd from Calvin/BSDA and Blue host because you have something to hide, or for some other reason?

Why aren't those things equally important when it come's to subpoenas issued to Gailon Joy?

Bob seems to be saying Joy has nothing to hide and no reason to fight it.. even though it may include info, emails, etc from or about some or even alot of you..  my opinion.

If you have a problem with this,  then I suggest that problem is with Pickle and Joy, not myself, as I only noticed what I see as an inconsistancy and double standard here.

You all, or some of you may disagree...

Your choice.

~ Ian

[Bob Pickle]

No, I don't think it is the same.

[ex3abnemployee]

I'll reply to one point.

Why should Gailon fight the subpoena if he had nothing to hide?

Perhaps if he had, he could have saved 3ABN from paying yet another plane ticket for Jerrie Hayes.

That's exactly why I'm not making any effort to fight my information being revealed, either. I have nothing to hide. This whole idea of threatening people into silence is a huge joke, and it does nothing except reveal the desperation that the 3ABN crowd is experiencing.

My prediction is that this will backfire on them big time.

[Ozzie]

I'll reply to one point.

Why should Gailon fight the subpoena if he had nothing to hide?

Perhaps if he had, he could have saved 3ABN from paying yet another plane ticket for Jerrie Hayes.

That's exactly why I'm not making any effort to fight my information being revealed, either. I have nothing to hide. This whole idea of threatening people into silence is a huge joke, and it does nothing except reveal the desperation that the 3ABN crowd is experiencing.

My prediction is that this will backfire on them big time.

Yes Duane. My sentiments exactly! 3abn's. Intimidation and threats is their usual mode of operation.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I'll reply to one point.

Why should Gailon fight the subpoena if he had nothing to hide?
...

Dear Readers and Members,

Is this a legitimate question or point?

Ask yourselves this.

Is Calvin fighting his/BSDA's subpoena because he has something to hide, or because he is concerned about your rights, and being accountable as a forum owner to his members?

Did you all protest and get upset about your login info and id's being subpoena'd from Calvin/BSDA and Blue host because you have something to hide, or for some other reason?

Why aren't those things equally important when it come's to subpoenas issued to Gailon Joy?

Bob seems to be saying Joy has nothing to hide and no reason to fight it.. even though it may include info, emails, etc from or about some or even alot of you..  my opinion.

If you have a problem with this,  then I suggest that problem is with Pickle and Joy, not myself, as I only noticed what I see as an inconsistancy and double standard here.

You all, or some of you may disagree...

Your choice.

~ Ian

Would you like me to post what I gave to the miscreants who pretend they have standing as CREDITORS? I should be most happy too...Best defined as proof prima faciae that I have nothing to hide. I'll even post my responses if you feel it would be valuable to your argument. ANd why have you not? Afraid of the contents?

In fact, after reviewing the documents provided, your grand legal team was questionless and seemed completely stuck on the unavailability of bank statements but did include a complete ledger going back three years.  You want bank statements, do what we did and subpoena them from the bank, that's what we did and Danny's bank has an order to produce. They fought and lost, due to that Rule 45...try it, you may like it.

And, explain to me why after spending an hour and a half of reviewing documents the best they could do was not ask a single question?  With all those documents and not a single question? After all it was a 2004 Examination...you know, where a CREDITOR gets to conduct an examination to see if he can find additional assets. Assets that were supposedly hidden. Something your side is pretty good at. And something we are pretty good at tracking.

All those millions on your team amd you couldn't find anything else? Maybe because it simply does not exist and is a waste of your time and legal fees. So, keep up the great work, super slooths!!!

The best part would be the e-mails that were sent to me from that the 3ABN Chairman. Most revealing at just what a mis-guided human being he is. I will be happy to share his idealogy for the world to see, if you think it would be helpful.

So let me know if you would like me to post them, one at an agonizing time, for you to view and comment on. Be careful, you could become speechless again and Walt would probably not be so happy but I will let you be the decision here. Why not step into another mine field!!!

Other than Walt, there was virtually nothing in any of them to hide and nothing that would be violative of anyones privacy. They asked questions and I answered them and most have already been addressed here. Open and transparent is foreign to 3ABN and its board but a rule of thumb here!!! Just don't get it, huh???

Now to the question of why you and your mom are worth deposing? Because you have a wealth of information and some of it is likely very helpful to our case. You see, if you know what you claim to know, then you know a lot more, including the incriminating information, that we need to know as part of the defense. You are the self incriminator that has made it pattently clear that you have insider info and if you do, then you know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They call you adversarial witnesses and worthy of examination. Just never know what one will find out.

No-one can be as delusional as you claim to be and not be immediate family without having very incriminating evidence...right IAN?

Good to see you back and I so enjoy sparring with you. It is such a Joy!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

=====

Edited to remove strong and unacceptable language per reported post decision by staff.

[ex3abnemployee]

Would you like me to post what I gave to the miscreants who pretend they have standing as CREDITORS? I should be most happy too...Best defined as proof prima faciae that I have nothing to hide. I'll even post my responses if you feel it would be valuable to your argument. ANd why have you not? Afraid of the contents?

In fact, after reviewing the documents provided, your grand legal team was questionless and seemed completely stuck on the unavailability of bank statements but did include a complete ledger going back three years. You want bank statements, do what we did and subpoena them from the bank, that's what we did and Danny's bank has an order to produce. They fought and lost, due to that Rule 45...try it, you may like it.

And, explain to me why after spending an hour and a half of reviewing documents the best they could do was not ask a single question?  With all those documents and not a single question? After all it was a 2004 Examination...you know, where a CREDITOR gets to conduct an examination to see if he can find additional assets. Assets that were supposedly hidden. Something your side is pretty good at. And something we are pretty good at tracking.

All those millions on your team amd you couldn't find anything else? Maybe because it simply does not exist and is a waste of your time and legal fees. So, keep up the great work, super slooths!!!

The best part would be the e-mails that were sent to me from that the 3ABN Chairman. Most revealing at just what a mis-guided human being he is. I will be happy to share his idealogy for the world to see, if you think it would be helpful.

So let me know if you would like me to post them, one at an agonizing time, for you to view and comment on. Be careful, you could become speechless again and Walt would probably not be so happy but I will let you be the decision here. Why not step into another mine field!!!

Other than Walt, there was virtually nothing in any of them to hide and nothing that would be violative of anyones privacy. They asked questions and I answered them and most have already been addressed here. Open and transparent is foreign to 3ABN and its board but a rule of thumb here!!! Just don't get it, huh???

Now to the question of why you and your mom are worth deposing? Because you have a wealth of information and some of it is likely very helpful to our case. You see, if you know what you claim to know, then you know a lot more, including the incriminating information, that we need to know as part of the defense. You are the self incriminator that has made it pattently clear that you have insider info and if you do, then you know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They call you adversarial witnesses and worthy of examination. Just never know what one will find out.

No-one can be as delusional as you claim to be and not be immediate family without having very incriminating evidence...right IAN?

Good to see you back and I so enjoy sparring with you. It is such a Joy!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Excellent post, Gailon. 

I've heard big talk like Ian's for years. It has always been Danny's MO. The problem is that no one ever challenged it to the degree that you and Bob have. They're not used to it and it's driving them crazy.

Ian also doesn't seem to realize that as long as she and the other 3ABNites keep quiet, the rest of us usually do as well. Anyone can look and see I have posted very little on this board since joining. If Ian wants to start the discussion up again though, I can do that, too.

I just hope they realize the jig's up before it destroys the whole network.

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[Ozzie]

There has been no public posts, replies, nor worries expressed here despite the fact that Joy has been asked to provide so much more info in his subpoena,then BSDA, or even bluehost was asked for in their subpoenas regarding you all, and the mirror save 3abn sites... and that did engender so many comments and questions and opinions..

Doesn't that seem strange? It does to me. I can't help but think it does to the readers here also...

Cindy, if it is so strange, why have other readers not noted that point also? Or, does it indicate that other readers do not have a problem with it?  Maybe, not many others think as you do?

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[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I have still have not received notice that they have decided to Subpoena BlackSDA documents as they said they were going to do. Did they forget to serve a copy upon us? 

Anyone else hear anything about this brewing battle?

Maybe Ian has an update for us?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Artiste]

I have still have not received notice that they have decided to Subpoena BlackSDA documents as they said they were going to do. Did they forget to serve a copy upon us? 

Anyone else hear anything about this brewing battle?

Maybe Ian has an update for us?

Gailon Arthur Joy

With the information requested by the subpoena to Bluehost provided by Bluehost to 3ABN lawyers some time ago, what can we conclude if BlackSDA info is not being followed up on?

What about the public defender lawyer (is that the correct term?) for first ammendment rights?

Is this additional information besides the original data requested on the list of BlackSDA posters?