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[Johann]

This discussion has now lasted for several years. Why?

Because the real issue has again and again been swept under the rug.

Certain people have felt a moral reform and change is needed at 3ABN, a TV network claiming to be a tool in proclaiming the Gospel Truth for today.

Others say that no such reform is needed because all the accusations are based on false rumors and lack of knowledge of the real issues.

The following  document has been posted before, but every possible attempt has been made to dismiss it. How long will it take this time before attempts will be made again to sweep it under the rug?

July 7,  2006

This is a formal statement which is long overdue. I did not disclose this information when the events occurred because I did not want to hurt my mother. I did not want to cause trouble with 3ABN and I was too embarrassed to talk about it. Now that some time has passed and circumstances have changed,  I feel I need to share this information. I want to spare others from being exposed to the same treatment that I have experienced.

1)The repeated inappropriate actions from my ex-stepfather, Danny Shelton, occurred in the summer of the year 2000.
2)I had been away af school for some years. I was happy to be returning home to attend a local university.
3)My mother always  went to bed rather early. Her bedroom was upstairs and my bedroom was downstairs. Danny started coming into my room, getting into my bed and rubbing my back. He seemed to ”accidentally” get too low. I told him I did not want a back rub. He ignored me. This happened repeatedly.
4)I began locking my bedroom door every night. Sometimes he would come to the door and knock again and again. I did not answer. He then repeatedly unlocked my bedroom door and came into my room. He would than get into  my bed. I was not comfortable with this but I was so tired I still fell asleep. I awoke sometimes with his hands in inappropriate places. He would say ”Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was your Mom.” He told me not to tell my Mom. I told him to stay out of my room. He still came. I started sleeping on the living room couch so that he could not lie beside me.
5)I felt threatened and very uncomfortable with these things, so I made arrangements to move out.

[Signed] Alyssa Moore

[Signed] Christi L. Grant 8-9-06
Notary Public

”Official Seal”
Christi L. Grant
Notary Public, State of Illinois
My Commission Exp. 06/04/2010

[Johann]

Here is a link to where you will find a copy of the original document,

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-63-14.pdf

[tinka]

Seems a whole "clan of it".  This is just as sick as TS. Evidently the SDA church knows this document has been written??? The minglers of evangelism to 3abn will cut their own throats when public takes this on!! What is wrong with them??? I am not remembering the time frame here. But am wondering when this was written parallel to the accusations of Linda. guess will have to go back and find the document of the first board letter. I feel DS used embarrassment of the victim to think it would go away.

If DS was not sick would he not expect this to come out sooner or later? Did he expect the same conclusions to be the same as TS wife and children did?  All in the name of marriage superseeds anything goes or what ever sick reason comes up??  Protecting is just as good as forgiving?? and just keep doing it??  He has to be a sick man. Not all of it can be lies. Spending, protecting, lifestyle, marriages and divorces and constant episodes.  They have an attorney that is hot on the  trail collecting and eating all the  feed as long as the pew money comes in. 

If in fact this all is true how can one not know this is the "Omega" of the church? with "Hope channel" on the back stretch bringing down the doctrines and testamonies of SP and the justifiers claiming "new era". How much longer till........

On the links of topix--Is that possibly DS speaking out in defense??  The posting is familiar with same verbage and with same sounding on here.

[Wendall]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.   

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

[Wendall]

Keep also in mind that the alleged acts were not stated until 6 years later and only when the parents were going threw a off the charts nasty divorce which makes the credibility of the statement highly suspect.

[ex3abnemployee]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.   

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

As a victim of sexual abuse myself, I find these comments highly offensive, as well as assumptive and uninformed. Unless you have been through it, you have no idea how hard it is to deal with it. I knew Alyssa when she was a very small girl, and given her personality and demeanor I can totally believe that the acts happened exactly as she relates them in her statement.

This is one of the reasons that victims of abuse have such a hard time coming forward. Some people tend to run their mouths when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

[Johann]

I understand that after Alyssa had her document notarized she mailed it to a conference president who again forwarded it to the president of the Illinois Conference. He is also on the board of 3ABN, and what does he do with it? Ignores it? Is it handled the same way as other complaints of moral corruption that have come to the Board of 3ABN? Or the same way as many such complaints have been handled, not only by the Roman Catholic Church but other Churches in the past.

Is it time that our Church wakes up? Reacts or acts rather than just passing the buck into oblivion? Then you have all of the minor culprits branding such reports as evil rumors?

When will we experience a revival and reformation - a return to higher moral ideals among the people who claim to follow God and His ideal for man? Preparing for the return of Christ to redeem the saints out of this sinful world?

Yes, there is forgiveness obtained by the foot of the Cross of Jesus Christ. That is what the Gospel is all about. Scripture teaches us that it is never obtained by hiding, explaining, excusing,  or any other method than confessing and asking forgiveness. Then there is no condemnation. Then there is no more need for anything like this network.

[Johann]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.   

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

Ideal, yes! It would be wonderful if things had worked out just like that! On which planet does it function like that? Quite different from what I have experienced in my 50 years in the ministry of our church.

[Johann]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.   

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

As a victim of sexual abuse myself, I find these comments highly offensive, as well as assumptive and uninformed. Unless you have been through it, you have no idea how hard it is to deal with it. I knew Alyssa when she was a very small girl, and given her personality and demeanor I can totally believe that the acts happened exactly as she relates them in her statement.

This is one of the reasons that victims of abuse have such a hard time coming forward. Some people tend to run their mouths when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

I find your comments in agreement with victims I have met in my ministry, most of them female. Nature is like that. Some are even reluctant to talk about it to their own mother twenty years later. Unfortunately some parents will not believe they are telling the truth because they do not imagine relatives could be that evil to their darling children. 

[ex3abnemployee]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.   

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

As a victim of sexual abuse myself, I find these comments highly offensive, as well as assumptive and uninformed. Unless you have been through it, you have no idea how hard it is to deal with it. I knew Alyssa when she was a very small girl, and given her personality and demeanor I can totally believe that the acts happened exactly as she relates them in her statement.

This is one of the reasons that victims of abuse have such a hard time coming forward. Some people tend to run their mouths when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

I find your comments in agreement with victims I have met in my ministry, most of them female. Nature is like that. Some are even reluctant to talk about it to their own mother twenty years later. Unfortunately some parents will not believe they are telling the truth because they do not imagine relatives could be that evil to their darling children. 

Exactly right, Johann. I'm tired of not saying anything when I see comments like Wendall's. People may as well get used to me firing back at them when it happens.

[tinka]

The stink meter is on alert on this one. If she was going to a university that would make her 18 years of age or above = adult. She never says that she asked him to leave only that she told him to stop with the back rub and that she locked the door to keep him out. I find it hard to believe that an 18+ year old girl would not outwardly protest against behaviour as alleged=most likely DID NOT happen as described. You allow someone to lie in YOUR bed and never tell them to leave only to stop the back rub! How about yelling at the guy to stay out, or change the lock on the door so he does not have the key OR TELL MOM who is upstairs.  

Keep in mind=Given her statement she has CONSENTED to the alleged acts as an adult.

That is why I was asking the time frame. I was thinking more like academy days. Not good if 18!!  Is Melody's claim a little stinky too?

[GrandmaNettie]

I know that the general consensus is that this statement is a matter of public record so that the feeling is it can be exploited for your purposes.  However, I'm really surprised that this letter has been revived yet again and even more surprised that it was brought up by you, Johann.  Did you run this by Linda before doing so?  I remember back in January of 2008 when Daryl Fawcett revived the letter, one that a friend of Linda's had convinced Linda's daughter to write.  I emailed Linda on January 1, 2008, and asked her in part:

I remember that I questioned you about this matter when you were here in Santa Rosa for the concert at The Light, and as I remember it you were not happy that it had been posted on the forum and were hoping that it would soon fade into the background.  As I recall, you also stated that Alyssa was not going to pursue the matter any further.  Am I correct in my recollections?  Did you agree to have this subject brought up again?

Linda's emailed response to me on January 2, 2008 was in part:

Thanks for writing.  Johann called me earlier and told me Alyssa's letter has been revived.  Her letter was NEVER intended for public viewing.  She wrote it for the purpose of church authorities getting this message only.

[Murcielago]

Statistically

- 1 in 6 females will be sexually assaulted in their life
- 1 in 33 males will be sexually assaulted in their life
- College age women are 4 times more likely to be sexually assaulted
- 60% of sexual assaults go unreported
- 73% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone the victim knows

And Wendall, you might notice that the short statement you refer to does not go into detail. There is obviously much that was NOT written. Shame on you and Tinka! People like you are one of the primary reasons why so much abuse goes unreported or dealt with. People like you, Wendall and Tinka, who go about creating a hostile environment for victims of abuse who say something about it give victims a good reason to worry that further abuse will be heaped on them.

[Johann]

Statistically

- 1 in 6 females will be sexually assaulted in their life
- 1 in 33 males will be sexually assaulted in their life
- College age women are 4 times more likely to be sexually assaulted
- 60% of sexual assaults go unreported
- 73% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone the victim knows

And Wendall, you might notice that the short statement you refer to does not go into detail. There is obviously much that was NOT written. Shame on you and Tinka! People like you are one of the primary reasons why so much abuse goes unreported or dealt with. People like you, Wendall and Tinka, who go about creating a hostile environment for victims of abuse who say something about it give victims a good reason to worry that further abuse will be heaped on them.

Thank you, George. Today I discussed the posts you refer to with a person who has been greatly affected by such matters. It makes her sad that there are still thousands of people who show such ignorance of such matters.

[tinka]

Statistically

- 1 in 6 females will be sexually assaulted in their life
- 1 in 33 males will be sexually assaulted in their life
- College age women are 4 times more likely to be sexually assaulted
- 60% of sexual assaults go unreported
- 73% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone the victim knows

And Wendall, you might notice that the short statement you refer to does not go into detail. There is obviously much that was NOT written. Shame on you and Tinka! People like you are one of the primary reasons why so much abuse goes unreported or dealt with. People like you, Wendall and Tinka, who go about creating a hostile environment for victims of abuse who say something about it give victims a good reason to worry that further abuse will be heaped on them.

Say Mr. George, whether you are moderator or not you have no beef (as none of your comments to me are anything but nice or have they ever)with me as I am only putting together what might be truth or not truth as it is written by others on here as they present what they think are facts. Just because they put it on here does not make a conclusion in my mind but waiting to see what goes together and what is fact. You or no one on here know what conclusions I do have for sure. But many comments I make just bring on a little more info out. I am nobody but a previous contributor and can only see or go by documents presented. If a letter was written for the church to act on this then why did the church not react to see if truthful.  What did they do Nothing, What did I expect they would do--Nothing.  The evidence of nothing is the reason this is still going and the cuprit keeps showing.   You don't write something then expect it to be hidden when other victims might be at stake. and by the way you are a liberal and justifier. Are these facts true against that A states against DS? It remains to be proven. I merely remember someone else stating that Melody had the same situation and connected it. Is this true? It remains to be proven!  I asked this because someone else said it buster not me.  How would I ever know this unless someone stated that did happen. I never stated any of this was fact and you come across evidently not reading properly.  You can not in one of my posts go in and state that I made anything fact other then what I can visually see. Then You can argue to doomsday that I did not see it.  So you do not like what is said- block it like before. It was a game the last time played until you took your stand where you stand. Your accusing the wrong one to kick.