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[Murcielago]

  Very good points.

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

Johann, the quote you found on Google is found here in the OP by Pickle on BSDA titled Tommy Shelton Vindicated!

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=166627&hl=Tommy%20Shelton%20Vindicated&fromsearch=1&#entry166627

Although I don't have time to read through the entire thread, it is my recollection that this was an excerpt of a PM to Bob by Duane Clem, before he was ready to go public as one of Tommy's alleged victims.  I’m sure Duane can corroborate this if I am correct or clarify if I am not.

That was an email to the meddler, gossip, busybody and liar Glenn Dryden shortly before I went public.

Thanks for clarifying, Duane… I worded my response to Johann poorly.  That was contained in the PM you sent to Bob but I knew they were your words to Dryden while Bob was encouraging you to go public. 

Far too many blur the lines between sexual abuse and sexual identity.  Abuse is a crime and sexual identity is a state of being.  When I was sexually abused by relatives it didn’t make me an incestuous child, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a married youth pastor tried to sexually abuse me and only succeeded in kissing me, it didn’t make an adulterous woman, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a female member into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make her a heterosexual adulteress, it makes her a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a young man into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make him a homosexual adulterer, it makes him a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  Some may not accept this, but the majority of people do realize the difference between the two.

[mrst53]

When I tried to find information on Tommy Shelton on BlackSDA, I was told that he was NO longer discussed on that site. Period

[Emma]

Legal action was threatened against BlackSDA some time ago, and after that, the 3ABN discussion was closed.

However I think everything is still available for reading if you wish.

[Sister]

Legal action was threatened against BlackSDA some time ago, and after that, the 3ABN discussion was closed.

However I think everything is still available for reading if you wish.

It is still available for reading under The Café, just click on 3ABN.

[Johann]

Far too many blur the lines between sexual abuse and sexual identity.  Abuse is a crime and sexual identity is a state of being.  When I was sexually abused by relatives it didn’t make me an incestuous child, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a married youth pastor tried to sexually abuse me and only succeeded in kissing me, it didn’t make an adulterous woman, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a female member into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make her a heterosexual adulteress, it makes her a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a young man into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make him a homosexual adulterer, it makes him a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  Some may not accept this, but the majority of people do realize the difference between the two.

Where we live there is an official campaign going on to protect minors against sexual offenders. In the media all are encouraged to buy special small flashlights as symbols of openness in this matter.

It seems like posters on another site are claiming that Bob and Gailon are the people who have turned on the light in this particular case, and there would not have been a case if they had not brought it into the light. In the past both society and religious denominations have tried to keep all such occurrences in the dark. Today this is regarded as an ugly scar on the followers of Jesus Christ. Lights should be turned on to protect our children from this evil.

[princessdi]

It is no longer discussed there.  However, Calvin kept as a closed subforum under the Cafe.  You can search there for information.

When I tried to find information on Tommy Shelton on BlackSDA, I was told that he was NO longer discussed on that site. Period

[mrst53]

Thanks for the information

[Johann]

What is said about confession?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

James 5:16
Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Mark 1:5
Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

Proverbs 28:13
He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Psalm 32:5
I acknowledged my sin to You,And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” And You forgave the iniquity of my sin.  Selah

[Johann]

What is said about confession?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

James 5:16
Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Mark 1:5
Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

Proverbs 28:13
He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Psalm 32:5
I acknowledged my sin to You,And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” And You forgave the iniquity of my sin.  Selah

If  a person pleads "guilty" - what should we do?

[tinka]

Hmmm, if they plead guilty hoping that mercy is shown then--- what will they do?? Maybe it depends on sane or insane?? I believe child molesters are insane with being devil possessed. so then I guess that is why we have more then one head for jurys to decide. They no doubt should be institutionalized. Can money buy him out? Will he be put back amongst children? What a family!! Just think how much could have been spared including TS himself if the "family" would have done the right thing when first they knew. It's like letting a child get away with all evil and then wonder why they can't do right when grown. Now it appears even his own mother knew and wanted mercy if TS would move away.....

[mrst53]

If Tommy's mother knew, it makes me wonder, if Tommy's father was also wasn't a molestor. Like I said before, this is a "gift that keeps on giving". But it needs to stop. His mother should have stopped it with Tommy, unless she was afraid of Tommy's father, Danny or Tommy. The wife/mother is often so abused she is afraid of telling. Obviously, this was a family wide coverup, someone- aunt, uncle, grandparent, niece, cousin, surely you would think someone told someone like a teacher or counselor that the abuse was going on and they kept it to themselves.
A lot of cover-up. Did Linda know about it too, and keep quiet?

[ex3abnemployee]

If Tommy's mother knew, it makes me wonder, if Tommy's father was also wasn't a molestor. Like I said before, this is a "gift that keeps on giving". But it needs to stop. His mother should have stopped it with Tommy, unless she was afraid of Tommy's father, Danny or Tommy. The wife/mother is often so abused she is afraid of telling. Obviously, this was a family wide coverup, someone- aunt, uncle, grandparent, niece, cousin, surely you would think someone told someone like a teacher or counselor that the abuse was going on and they kept it to themselves.
A lot of cover-up. Did Linda know about it too, and keep quiet?

Wow. A lot of speculation and assumption there. Honestly, I think it's unfair to indict the whole family, especially those who are no longer around to defend themselves.

[Murcielago]

Although Duane, if much of the family knew of the problem 25 years ago and more is it possible that lots of pain, confusion and misery could have been avoided had they done the right thing back then? Perhaps the two boys who have filed in Virginia would never have been in a position to file had something been done long before that? Is it possible that lives that have been badly altered or destroyed could have been normal if they had either done something or allowed the process to take place without interferance?

If Tommy's mother knew, it makes me wonder, if Tommy's father was also wasn't a molestor. Like I said before, this is a "gift that keeps on giving". But it needs to stop. His mother should have stopped it with Tommy, unless she was afraid of Tommy's father, Danny or Tommy. The wife/mother is often so abused she is afraid of telling. Obviously, this was a family wide coverup, someone- aunt, uncle, grandparent, niece, cousin, surely you would think someone told someone like a teacher or counselor that the abuse was going on and they kept it to themselves.
A lot of cover-up. Did Linda know about it too, and keep quiet?

Wow. A lot of speculation and assumption there. Honestly, I think it's unfair to indict the whole family, especially those who are no longer around to defend themselves.

[tinka]

A lot of cover-up. Did Linda know about it too, and keep quiet?

I would not be able to factually state that other then what has been posted on here.
It seems she sorta supposed or thought he might have different tendencies but did not know he used them. But the fact is that he must have used them. I imagine that she was in a pretty hard place and sometimes it takes quite a while to realize what  your into...with a marriage. Something else I thought about is that I do not feel that LS could be so inspired to present her part and inspire others as she did with that much evil in her own mind and covering it. I do not think some of this would have happened with her if she went along with the trend once she started to realize and it could have been very hard on her for the trial she was going through with no support from DS. Now this is just an opinion from just over several years of reading posts. No way to know the truth about that unless she states it and DS has bound her up with legality that she cannot speak.  

[Johann]

Wow. A lot of speculation and assumption there. Honestly, I think it's unfair to indict the whole family, especially those who are no longer around to defend themselves.

Well said, Duane. I hope the time is approaching when "speculation and assumption" must cease. And that we can leave the matter in the hands of an honest judge to mete out justice, possibly much milder because of the plea. An admission, even of the inevitable, should be an advantage and help get this matter to a conclusion where there is no reason to be discussing, assuming, and speculating any more.