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[Bob Pickle]

Would Tommy be better off if he did some sort of plea bargain, if he pled guilty, or if he pled innocent and fought it all?

[Wendall]

1. Depends on what the offer is. Some people are getting little time and others get alot of time in jail for same types of crimes.
2. Are  there other charges to come from other victims in a different court=more jail time to come from other trials.
3. How old is defendant.
4. Is he guilty
5. Are the victims going to testify against him and can victims be discredited in some way.
6. If he goes to trial he MUST make sure that facts about 3ABN cannot be introduced which may substantially harm 3ABN. The very fact that the trial would be public may accomplish this.
7. How much money does he have to fight  a jury trial and is he hiring a competent attorney and can  he can afford him/her.
8. Did TS tell anyone he comitted the crimes whose is willing to testify that he stated so.
9. What have similiar crimes in that jurisidiciton resulted in for both pleas and trial.
10. Will the prosection subpoena DS for testimony=TS may be forced not to go to trial for this potentially damaging testimony against DS, 3ABN and TS and others.

The steps will be interesting to watch.

[GRAT]

I've said it before and will say it again - if he is any kind of man he will stand up and take his punishment for the crimes he committed.  No plea bargains.  Those children should not have to face him in court and relive the murder of who they would have been had they not met TS.  That is unless they want to face him and then it could be done in a less public forum.  There is no other side of the story or excuse for what he did.  There are just too many victims over the years for there to be any circumstances where he would be not guilty.  I don't think these boys who had the nerve to go to the police, at different times, would do so without cause.  Just because he got away with this for years and had no charges pressed, it does not make him not guilty.  If they were the first two who came forward then there might need to be a trial, depending on the evidence but he has left a string of ruined lives and needs to stand up and confess to all.  Just my opinion and I don't want to hear about how I don't know what I am talking about because I don't know what is really going on.  Save it for someone who might care. 

[ex3abnemployee]

I've said it before and will say it again - if he is any kind of man he will stand up and take his punishment for the crimes he committed.  No plea bargains.  Those children should not have to face him in court and relive the murder of who they would have been had they not met TS.  That is unless they want to face him and then it could be done in a less public forum.  There is no other side of the story or excuse for what he did.  There are just too many victims over the years for there to be any circumstances where he would be not guilty.  I don't think these boys who had the nerve to go to the police, at different times, would do so without cause.  Just because he got away with this for years and had no charges pressed, it does not make him not guilty.  If they were the first two who came forward then there might need to be a trial, depending on the evidence but he has left a string of ruined lives and needs to stand up and confess to all.  Just my opinion and I don't want to hear about how I don't know what I am talking about because I don't know what is really going on.  Save it for someone who might care. 

No, GRAT, you have some good points. You are correct, he should plead guilty to what he has committed. If he pleads not guilty when he actually IS guilty, that's not going to show much remorse or repentance, and is lying on top of that.

There is no way I can be made to believe that he isn't guilty of the charges in Virginia. The stories are too similar to what happened to me and other victims I have spoken to.

[Bob Pickle]

"Child molesters roughed up in prison?"

Someone told me that Tommy could end up with a nicer situation in jail if he plea bargains. Anyone know if that is true?

[mrst53]

I listened to the head of the US Olympic Swim Team on Friday nite, and he was incredulous that he should apologize to the victims of the coaches who had been molested. I thought to myself, that he sounded like Tommy.... blaming the victims..

[Bob Pickle]

"Child molesters roughed up in prison?"

Someone told me that Tommy could end up with a nicer situation in jail if he plea bargains. Anyone know if that is true?

The thread above mentioned an inmate who had been convicted of killing two kids, and who had boiling water poured on him by another inmate. I think such behavior in prisons is wrong, wicked, and evil. We live in an evil world.

Another thread out there: "Is it true molesters get beaten in prison?"

Does Tommy think he has any possibility at all of being convicted? What safeguards do Virginia prisons have to prevent these kinds of things from happening?

[mrst53]

From what my husband says, I don't think there is much protection for child molestors. They are put in with the general population. Since quite a few of those in prison were molested as children, they hate child molestors. They rank below murderers and rapists.

[ex3abnemployee]

Years ago, we went to a Christian Educator's seminar for Christian school workers. They showed a movie depicting what could happen if your church was sued for opening a school. In the film, the attorney got the Christian school teacher to contradict her own statements and he even made her cry on the stand.

On the way home, Tommy made the comment that just watching that scene made him extremely nervous since he had faced the first round of accusations just a couple years prior. He needs to stop and realize that if he pleads not guilty, he's going to face a lot worse than what we saw on the screen that night.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

An irrelevant question as Tommy and Danny have spent their entire lives trying to bail "poor Tommy" out of one mess or another...remember the Love Gift when he was in Virginia? The family history is replete with "push  it under the rug" And now Danny is hard at it again...protecting Tommy from Tommy!!!

Personally, I would recommend he fight every inch of the way...keeps it in the news for a while. And, who knows, he may be able to beat it yet again...enough money and the right prodding of the victims and one never knows what may be the result. On the other hand, a good book deal for the victims would be very interesting!!! You could title it:
"The Dirtied Two Dozen...or more, one pastors very unique evangelical efforts".

Gaion Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Johann]

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

[GrandmaNettie]

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

Johann, the quote you found on Google is found here in the OP by Pickle on BSDA titled Tommy Shelton Vindicated!

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=166627&hl=Tommy%20Shelton%20Vindicated&fromsearch=1&#entry166627

Although I don't have time to read through the entire thread, it is my recollection that this was an excerpt of a PM to Bob by Duane Clem, before he was ready to go public as one of Tommy's alleged victims.  I’m sure Duane can corroborate this if I am correct or clarify if I am not.

[ex3abnemployee]

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

Johann, the quote you found on Google is found here in the OP by Pickle on BSDA titled Tommy Shelton Vindicated!

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=166627&hl=Tommy%20Shelton%20Vindicated&fromsearch=1&#entry166627

Although I don't have time to read through the entire thread, it is my recollection that this was an excerpt of a PM to Bob by Duane Clem, before he was ready to go public as one of Tommy's alleged victims.  I’m sure Duane can corroborate this if I am correct or clarify if I am not.

That was an email to the meddler, gossip, busybody and liar Glenn Dryden shortly before I went public.

[Adam]

 

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

Johann, the quote you found on Google is found here in the OP by Pickle on BSDA titled Tommy Shelton Vindicated!

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=166627&hl=Tommy%20Shelton%20Vindicated&fromsearch=1&#entry166627

Although I don't have time to read through the entire thread, it is my recollection that this was an excerpt of a PM to Bob by Duane Clem, before he was ready to go public as one of Tommy's alleged victims.  I’m sure Duane can corroborate this if I am correct or clarify if I am not.

That was an email to the meddler, gossip, busybody and liar Glenn Dryden shortly before I went public.

[GrandmaNettie]

Tommy Shelton Vindicated! - BlackSDA

If you mention my name in any of the letters and emails you're sending to anyone in your latest attack on Tommy Shelton, you WILL regret it. ...
www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic...

I found this on Google. I have tried to find it on BlackSDA but my search gave no results

Johann, the quote you found on Google is found here in the OP by Pickle on BSDA titled Tommy Shelton Vindicated!

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=166627&hl=Tommy%20Shelton%20Vindicated&fromsearch=1&#entry166627

Although I don't have time to read through the entire thread, it is my recollection that this was an excerpt of a PM to Bob by Duane Clem, before he was ready to go public as one of Tommy's alleged victims.  I’m sure Duane can corroborate this if I am correct or clarify if I am not.

That was an email to the meddler, gossip, busybody and liar Glenn Dryden shortly before I went public.

Thanks for clarifying, Duane… I worded my response to Johann poorly.  That was contained in the PM you sent to Bob but I knew they were your words to Dryden while Bob was encouraging you to go public. 

Far too many blur the lines between sexual abuse and sexual identity.  Abuse is a crime and sexual identity is a state of being.  When I was sexually abused by relatives it didn’t make me an incestuous child, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a married youth pastor tried to sexually abuse me and only succeeded in kissing me, it didn’t make an adulterous woman, it made me a victim of sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a female member into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make her a heterosexual adulteress, it makes her a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  When a pastor manipulates a young man into a sexual relationship it doesn’t make him a homosexual adulterer, it makes him a victim of pastoral sexual abuse.  Some may not accept this, but the majority of people do realize the difference between the two.