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Simpson may be stressed.
« on: April 02, 2010, 01:15:21 PM »

I wrote the lawyers on Monday, conferring with them on a motion we wanted to file. We wanted to file a motion to supplement our reply with two exhibits: the five felony arrest warrants for Tommy Shelton, and the police department press release about Tommy Shelton's arrest.

Here's the reply I got back from Simpson on Tuesday.

Quote from: Attorney Greg Simpson
Mr. Pickle-

We would oppose such a motion and we would seek sanctions against you for bringing it. The information is not relevant to any issue presently pending before the Court, and the rules of civil procedure do not authorize such a motion anyway.

We filed our motion yesterday morning.

I wonder if Simpson is going to file a motion for sanctions against us because we filed that motion. Can't see any legal basis for it, though.

But I think maybe Simpson is stressed, so maybe he could use our prayers. He always addresses his emails to me as "Bob." This one was "Mr. Pickle." Not as chummy or cordial.
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 02:06:32 PM »

The arrest warrants are posted at http://www.save-3abn.com/news-releases-tommy-shelton-arrested.htm. They say that Tommy can't leave Virginia or have contact with kids under 15 until trial. Wonder how long it will be before trial.

Preliminary hearing is scheduled for May 6 at 9am. Anyone going?
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 09:51:34 AM »

Not going since there are people who will personally testify of the personal knowledge of TS's acts which make the preliminary hearing almost a formality for the judge to see that there is enough evidence to bring charges against TS.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 01:39:10 PM »

Bob, now you know that man is tired of talking to you about a dropped lawsuit.  Not stressed just tired of you trying to work his last nerve. 

Now, explain why you are trying to file "evidence" in a case that is all but closed?  The one and only thing you should concerned about TS and his allegations is that he was allowed to work unchecked at 3ABN, which is huge.  However, the rest, including how he is paying for he legal defense is not your(general) concern.  I am not sure how long the courts are going to allow you all to continue without some kind of sanctions what what is quickly approach frivilous.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 02:06:34 PM »

How TS is paying for legal fees is relevant if 1. 3ABN was somehow paying for it which I am sure they are not, unless they have legal interests in protecting TS from a guilty verdict and/or a public trial.  2. Did the money come from somebody's slush fund 3. Follow the money you never know what may be turned up. 4.Somebody else that TS may have something on, maybe trying to help TS so that information does not become public injuring that somebody else. Like a type of bribe. 5. Why hide who is paying for the defense? Because somebodys public image could be damaged as well as  a snowball effect of bringing in other people who may be liable in a civil court for money and property etc. 6-2000...

There are alot of reasons for wanting to know who is paying for the legal defense. Hiding the information gives the inference that you do not want the information public. duh. Just state how it is being paid and move on. :wave:
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 02:09:40 PM »

Bob, now you know that man is tired of talking to you about a dropped lawsuit.  Not stressed just tired of you trying to work his last nerve. 

Now, explain why you are trying to file "evidence" in a case that is all but closed?


Di, it is very simple.

When the judge dismissed the case, he said we could file a motion for costs. We did that the same day we filed our notice of appeal regarding the dismissal.

When the judge denied our motion for costs, we asked him to reconsider, and also filed a motion for sanctions against Simpson for lying.

When the judge denied those motions, we appealed a second time.

We have a legal right to appeal those decisions. We also have a legal right for the court of appeals to review whatever relevant portions of the court record we request, and the rules are such that it is our responsibility to make sure those portions arrive at the court of appeals.

We therefore requested that the district court forward to the court of appeals the bank statements produced by MidCountry Bank. The magistrate judge denied that request without comment, and we then objected to his orders as we have a legal right to do.

Simpson responded to our objections, and in doing so he injected the issue of the allegations against Tommy into a dispute over forwarding the bank statements to the court of appeals.

Bear in mind that when one files a motion or a response to a motion or a reply to a response, one can file evidence that pertains to that motion or response or reply. And this we have done, as we have a legal right to do. Simpson has done the same.

On February 18, 2010, Simpson admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of Tommy was part of the original basis for the lawsuit. In doing so, Simpson tacitly admitted that he lied in the summer of 2008 when he claimed that the Tommy allegations were irrelevant. We have repeatedly accused Danny and 3ABN and their lawyers of obstructing discovery, and Simpson has now tacitly admitted that we are correct, for he asked the court in the summer of 2008 to prohibit discovery into the Tommy allegations on the bogus grounds of irrelevance.

This all has a bearing on the bank statements. Simpson has tried to tell the court that the bank statements are irrelevant to the lawsuit, which he also falsely claimed regarding the Remnant documents. Now we have Simpson tacitly admitting on the record that he lied when he claimed that the Tommy allegations were irrelevant. Therefore, the bank statements must also be relevant.

Moreover, Simpson claimed that our reporting about Danny's cover up of Tommy was "uncorroborated, unfounded." The five felony arrest warrants and the police department press release disprove that assertion.

If Simpson didn't want us to file the arrest warrants and press release, he never should have injected the Tommy issue into the discussion, and never should have lied about our reporting being unfounded and uncorroborated. He raised the issues. We have a right to address the issues he raised.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 04:33:56 PM »

Very well explained and with good understanding except for the justifiers. (laugh) It is not hard to see where the system leans to for their no end in site for the money gifts. Danny's got it!!
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Re: Simpson may be stressed.
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 12:48:53 AM »

Not going since there are people who will personally testify of the personal knowledge of TS's acts which make the preliminary hearing almost a formality for the judge to see that there is enough evidence to bring charges against TS.


Not true. In the state of Va as well as many other states, the judge will want a case to go before a grand jury and they decide whether to indict or not. But, guess what?  Indictment happens in 98% of cases that go before the grand jury because only the prosecuation is allowed to present their arguments. The defense is not even allowed in the room. So, if you only hear one side of a situation, even with no evidence to present, most people are going to go that way as statistics show.

You probably also thought that for the police to arrest someone, they must have evidence. False.  A woman for instance can go to the police and say her husband beat her up. With no evidence or nothing to prove it happened, the police will go arrest the husband, he will be processed and his picture will be in the paper and on the news the next day....all done with no proof.

Did you know that in Va, the detective can swear out a warrant with no evidence..only heresay?

Did you know that it is my understanding that Tommy has never been questioned one time by anyone before or after his arrest?
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Re: Simpson may be stressed.
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 12:55:44 AM »

How TS is paying for legal fees is relevant if 1. 3ABN was somehow paying for it which I am sure they are not, unless they have legal interests in protecting TS from a guilty verdict and/or a public trial.  2. Did the money come from somebody's slush fund 3. Follow the money you never know what may be turned up. 4.Somebody else that TS may have something on, maybe trying to help TS so that information does not become public injuring that somebody else. Like a type of bribe. 5. Why hide who is paying for the defense? Because somebodys public image could be damaged as well as  a snowball effect of bringing in other people who may be liable in a civil court for money and property etc. 6-2000...

There are alot of reasons for wanting to know who is paying for the legal defense. Hiding the information gives the inference that you do not want the information public. duh. Just state how it is being paid and move on. :wave:

Well Wendell, if it will ease your mind any, I was told that Mr. & Mrs. Shelton have had to put their home up for sale in order to pay legal fees. I believe they both are in their middle 60's and have worked their whole lives to have a nice home but all that will be taken away on heresay.  Even if after the trial process Tommy is found innocent, the money is already spent and they will have no place to come home to. 

I hope that alleviates all your fears as to where the money is coming from.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 02:44:26 AM »

Not going since there are people who will personally testify of the personal knowledge of TS's acts which make the preliminary hearing almost a formality for the judge to see that there is enough evidence to bring charges against TS.


Not true. In the state of Va as well as many other states, the judge will want a case to go before a grand jury and they decide whether to indict or not. But, guess what?  Indictment happens in 98% of cases that go before the grand jury because only the prosecuation is allowed to present their arguments. The defense is not even allowed in the room. So, if you only hear one side of a situation, even with no evidence to present, most people are going to go that way as statistics show.

You probably also thought that for the police to arrest someone, they must have evidence. False.  A woman for instance can go to the police and say her husband beat her up. With no evidence or nothing to prove it happened, the police will go arrest the husband, he will be processed and his picture will be in the paper and on the news the next day....all done with no proof.

Did you know that in Va, the detective can swear out a warrant with no evidence..only heresay?

Did you know that it is my understanding that Tommy has never been questioned one time by anyone before or after his arrest?
It's also being told that the detective never questioned either of the victims, and that's not true, either. I knew these warrants were going to be issued about 3 months before they actually were. You're just mad because he finally got caught.
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Re: Simpson may be stressed.
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 05:05:44 AM »

Sam, you mean the house of ill reports is lost?  Hmmmm
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 06:05:23 AM »

Did you know that it is my understanding that Tommy has never been questioned one time by anyone before or after his arrest?

You mean anyone when you say "anyone"? Gailon called him back in I think 2006, so he was questioned by at least one someone.

Well Wendell, if it will ease your mind any, I was told that Mr. & Mrs. Shelton have had to put their home up for sale in order to pay legal fees.

Do you have a link to the real estate listing? It would be nice if your side could document at least one assertion you've made before this is all over.
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Re: Simpson may be stressed.
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 09:06:58 PM »


Well Wendell, if it will ease your mind any, I was told that Mr. & Mrs. Shelton have had to put their home up for sale in order to pay legal fees. I believe they both are in their middle 60's and have worked their whole lives to have a nice home but all that will be taken away on heresay.  Even if after the trial process Tommy is found innocent, the money is already spent and they will have no place to come home to. 

I hope that alleviates all your fears as to where the money is coming from.

Maybe he should defend himself like Bob and Gailon are. In their case, the other side tried to give up when it appeared that the truth would come out. Maybe the same would happen to Tommy--- i.e. the state's attorney would give up as the truth began to be revealed.

I wonder..... could Tommy get the court to impound the case against him so that no one knows what's going on? Maybe Tommy could try and get the judge to have the lead prosecutor's hard drives confiscated and handed over to him to stop the spread of "lies". Hey, maybe Tommy should petition the court to have the state reimburse him for the cost of his defense. I would think that he should at least threaten the state's attorney with sanctions for even thinking of bringing charges against him in a court of law.
But hey, who knows, maybe a third party will walk into the courthouse, ask the clerk for the physical evidence against Tommy, sign for it, and then nonchalantly walk out with it as though nothing happened; possibly to never be seen again.
Or, then again, maybe Tommy should lay blame for all of this where it belongs, at the feet of the real culprit, the same one that made him leave 3ABN --- a ferry!!
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »

TS left 3ABN on a ferry boat?  Is there a body of water that close to 3ABN?
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 09:54:06 PM »

TS left 3ABN on a ferry boat?  Is there a body of water that close to 3ABN?
The Ohio River is just north of Tommy's house.
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