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[Murcielago]

And that raises a question. If humans have been living on earth for approximately 6,000 years, and the earth and everything on it has been in existence for precisely the same period of time, and humans have been documenting things during that time, why is there no record of almost all of the the greatest catastrophes to have hit earth? Why is there no record of human coexistence with the dinosaurs?

Traveling with a passenger ship provides opportunities to get acquainted with people when they have time to talk. This is where I once met a British scientist on his way to a university in Norway from an expedition to locate and date archaeological fireplaces in the Faeroe Islands. As he was explaining the mathematical formulas and showing me reports of his work I asked him questions on various dating methods when he made a remarkable statement.

He told me frankly that science has not developed a dating method that is dependable any more than 6-7.000 years back.

I asked him the reason for this.

That is because science has no way of checking any older dates. There are no records for comparison. There is no way to be sure how conditions were when you have no way of double checking.

I was amazed at these statements by a working scientist who was using the latest equipment available to date the past. Soon after that our boat arrived at Bergen, Norway, where my family was waiting for me, and our ways parted.

[tinka]

George,

There is evidence of the dinosours very clearly stated in the Bible. The evidence of the bones are the amalagamations, that Satan worked through evil man to destroy God's perfect creations.

Lev. 19:19 Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with diverse kind, ...then it goes on to mention about not messing with his created seed of the field. and they are doing still that too.

Lev 20: 15-16  and if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. and if a woman aproach unto a beast and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death: their blood shall be upon them.

So George you now have evidence of prehistoric (supposidly cave men) that is from confusion, animals (dinasours) are from confusion and they are all destroyed as Satan destroyed God's Creation of man and animal. That is why the flood. That was not put in to words in case they did it. The fact and evidence is that they did it. and it is recorded in just 2 verses. and you know George the evil is still being done.

The reason this was spoken is because this is what they were doing to the perfect creation.  They had the intelligence to do it. or this command would not be in the Bible.

[Murcielago]

I still see no reference to humans and dinosaurs coexisting, or to dinosaurs at all. As massive and dangerous as they were, it would seem reasonable to expect that there would be cave paintings, statues, art, or some descriptive reference to them, but I have never seen any.

Another question that I have is the reference to the location of Eden. As I recall, it specifies an area in Mesopotamia and even refers to currently existing rivers that bound it. We know that a flood that covers everything on earth would have to exceed 29,029 feet above sea level. Water at that depth worlwide would completely change all surface geographic features. The rush of that much water would make that change instantly, leaving no trace whatsoever. I asked this question several times in academy, as was reprimanded for it.

I am aware of the theory that dinosaurs were created by ant-deluvian scientists through the process of amalgamation.

[tinka]

George,
The Garden of Eden was taken back to heaven before the flood. If you recall it was guarded by angels that no one would enter but Adam and Eve and others could visulize it from the outside.

[tinka]

I still see no reference to humans and dinosaurs coexisting, or to dinosaurs at all. As massive and dangerous as they were, it would seem reasonable to expect that there would be cave paintings, statues, art, or some descriptive reference to them, but I have never seen any.

Another question that I have is the reference to the location of Eden. As I recall, it specifies an area in Mesopotamia and even refers to currently existing rivers that bound it. We know that a flood that covers everything on earth would have to exceed 29,029 feet above sea level. Water at that depth worlwide would completely change all surface geographic features. The rush of that much water would make that change instantly, leaving no trace whatsoever. I asked this question several times in academy, as was reprimanded for it.

I am aware of the theory that dinosaurs were created by ant-deluvian scientists through the process of amalgamation.

One explanation that it may have been predetermined that Satan would get no notoriety for the evil that was done. God  did repent that he created man and evidently did not like to acknowledge the acts of Satan but warned against it.

[Murcielago]

George,
The Garden of Eden was taken back to heaven before the flood. If you recall it was guarded by angels that no one would enter but Adam and Eve and others could visulize it from the outside.

However, the Bible refers to four rivers flowing out of the garden, and specifies the Euphrates, Pison, and two others that I can't seem to recall. These are all post-deluvian rivers.

[Johann]

A number of parents who lose a child will give a new child the same name. Is there a possibility that new rivers retained old names? We are not told.

[Murcielago]

Good point. I suppose there are things we simply don't know.  But I have always been full of curiosity and questions, and when a conundrum like this is presented in areas of commonly accepted belief, my mind goes into overdrive. Just because everyone believes it, has never been reason enough for me to believe it too. And where there appear to be glaring discrepancies, I can't help but ask questions, but knowing that there are some questions that have no answers.

A number of parents who lose a child will give a new child the same name. Is there a possibility that new rivers retained old names? We are not told.

[Johann]

In connection with our  recent volcanic eruption there were several floods. Huge areas of land were flooded for a while. With huge machines men made new paths for the water to flow. This did not change the names of the rivers.

[tinka]

George, We are alike with curosity, but I call mine "love the finer details". You probably have the same access but here is a tidbit I thought you might enjoy about the Garden of Eden. I am sure you probably have read it before but I was excited to read it again. Also look at almost the last sentence about "you" with the 144,000". do you take that the same as I do? That means "You "Plus the 144,000. That means a multitude as the sand of the sea or others plus the 144,000

Eden to Be Restored.--The Garden of Eden remained upon the earth long after man had become an outcast from its pleasant paths. The fallen race were long permitted to gaze upon the home of innocence, their entrance barred only by the watching angels. At the cherubim-guarded gate of Paradise the divine glory was revealed. Hither came Adam and his sons to worship God. Here they renewed their vows of obedience to that law the transgression of which had banished them from Eden. When the tide of iniquity overspread the world, and the wickedness of men determined their destruction by a flood of waters, the hand that had planted Eden withdrew it from the earth. But in the final restitution, when there shall be "a new heaven and a new earth," it is to be restored more gloriously adorned than at the beginning.  {AH 539.1}
     Then they that have kept God's commandments shall breathe in immortal vigor beneath the tree of life; and through unending ages the inhabitants of sinless worlds shall behold, in that garden of delight, a sample of the perfect work of God's creation, untouched by the curse of sin--a sample of what the whole earth would have become had man but fulfilled the Creator's glorious plan.  {AH 539.2}
     The great plan of redemption results in fully bringing back the world into God's favor. All that was lost by sin is restored. Not only man but the earth is redeemed, to be the eternal abode of the obedient. For six thousand years Satan has struggled to maintain possession of the earth. Now God's original purpose in its creation is
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accomplished. "The saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."  {AH 539.3}
     "The Redemption of the Purchased Possession."-- God's original purpose in the creation of the earth is fulfilled as it is made the eternal abode of the redeemed. "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." The time has come to which holy men have looked with longing since the flaming sword barred the first pair from Eden--the time for "the redemption of the purchased possession." The earth originally given to man as his kingdom, betrayed by him into the hands of Satan, and so long held by the mighty foe, has been brought back by the great plan of redemption.  {AH 540.1}
     All that was lost by the first Adam will be restored by the second. The prophet says, "O Tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto Thee shall it come, even the first dominion." And Paul points forward to the "redemption of the purchased possession."  {AH 540.2}
     God created the earth to be the abode of holy, happy beings. That purpose will be fulfilled when, renewed by the power of God and freed from sin and sorrow, it shall become the eternal home of the redeemed.  {AH 540.3}
     Adam Restored to His Eden Home.--After his expulsion from Eden Adam's life on earth was filled with sorrow. Every dying leaf, every victim of sacrifice, every blight upon the fair face of nature, every stain upon man's purity, were fresh reminders of his sin. Terrible was the agony of remorse as he beheld iniquity abounding and, in answer to his warnings, met the reproaches cast upon himself as the cause of sin. With patient humility he bore for nearly a thousand years the penalty of transgression.
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Faithfully did he repent of his sin and trust in the merits of the promised Saviour, and he died in the hope of a resurrection. The Son of God redeemed man's failure and fall; and now, through the work of the atonement, Adam is reinstated in his first dominion.  {AH 540.4}
     Transported with joy, he beholds the trees that were once his delight--the very trees whose fruit he himself had gathered in the days of his innocence and joy. He sees the vines that his own hands have trained, the very flowers that he once loved to care for. His mind grasps the reality of the scene; he comprehends that this is indeed Eden restored, more lovely now than when he was banished from it. The Saviour leads him to the tree of life and plucks the glorious fruit and bids him eat. He looks about him and beholds a multitude of his family redeemed, standing in the Paradise of God. Then he casts his glittering crown at the feet of Jesus and, falling upon His breast, embraces the Redeemer. He touches the golden harp, and the vaults of heaven echo the triumphant song, "Worthy, worthy, worthy is the Lamb that was slain, and lives again!" The family of Adam take up the strain and cast their crowns at the Saviour's feet as they bow before Him in adoration.  {AH 541.1}
     This reunion is witnessed by the angels who wept at the fall of Adam and rejoiced when Jesus, after His resurrection, ascended to heaven, having opened the grave for all who should believe on His name. Now they behold the work of redemption accomplished, and they unite their voices in the song of praise.  {AH 541.2}
     Mansions Prepared for Earth's Pilgrims.--A fear of making the future inheritance seem too material has led many to spiritualize away the very truths which lead us to look upon it as our home. Christ assured His disciples
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that He went to prepare mansions for them in the Father's house. Those who accept the teachings of God's word will not be wholly ignorant concerning the heavenly abode. . . . Human language is inadequate to describe the reward of the righteous. It will be known only to those who behold it. No finite mind can comprehend the glory of the Paradise of God.  {AH 541.3}
     In the Bible the inheritance of the saved is called a country. There the heavenly Shepherd leads His flock to fountains of living waters. The tree of life yields its fruit every month, and the leaves of the tree are for the service of the nations. There are ever-flowing streams, clear as crystal, and beside them waving trees cast their shadows upon the paths prepared for the ransomed of the Lord. There the widespreading plains swell into hills of beauty, and the mountains of God rear their lofty summits. On those peaceful plains, beside those living streams, God's people, so long pilgrims and wanderers, shall find a home.  {AH 542.1}
     There are homes for the pilgrims of earth. There are robes for the righteous, with crowns of glory and palms of victory. All that has perplexed us in the providences of God will in the world to come be made plain. The things hard to be understood will then find explanation. The mysteries of grace will unfold before us. Where our finite minds discovered only confusion and broken promises, we shall see the most perfect and beautiful harmony. We shall know that infinite love ordered the experiences that seemed most trying. As we realize the tender care of Him who makes all things work together for our good, we shall rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory. . . .  {AH 542.2}
     We are homeward bound. He who loved us so much as to die for us hath builded for us a city. The New Jerusalem is our place of rest. There will be no sadness
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in the City of God. No wail of sorrow, no dirge of crushed hopes and buried affections, will evermore be heard. Soon the garments of heaviness will be changed for the wedding garment. Soon we shall witness the coronation of our King. Those whose lives have been hidden with Christ, those who on this earth have fought the good fight of faith, will shine forth with the Redeemer's glory in the kingdom of God.  {AH 542.3}
     Privileges of the Redeemed.--Heaven is a good place. I long to be there and behold my lovely Jesus, who gave His life for me, and be changed into His glorious image. Oh, for language to express the glory of the bright world to come! I thirst for the living streams that make glad the city of our God.  {AH 543.1}
     The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes; they were noble, majestic, and lovely. They bore the express image of Jesus, and their countenances beamed with holy joy, expressive of the freedom and happiness of the place. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was, "We have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God, and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth." . . . I begged of my attending angel to let me remain in that place. I could not bear the thought of coming back to this dark world again. Then the angel said, "You must go back, and if you are faithful, you, with the 144,000, shall have the privilege of visiting all the worlds and viewing the handiwork of God."
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 {AH 543.2}