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[tinka]

No, I didn't lie. That word suggests that I knowingly told a falsehood rather than made an honest mistake. And the facts are the facts. Simpson said what he said, Remnant paid what it paid, 3ABN bought what it bought, PPPA paid what it paid, and Danny did what he did for year after year.

And Walt Thompson, rather than put his foot down, helped to enable some of the corruption that took place.

ummm, yeah,  ok.. what He said  ---> Attorney Simpson:

Their "evidence," however, is not evidence as much as a web of guesswork and speculation that begins and ends with the assumption that the payments were kickbacks.

Folks, if it was kickbacks, the IRS would have had a big problem, and both DS and 3abn would have been in trouble, but it has been a couple of years since they investigated both 3abn and DS, and it should be abundantly clear by now for even the most doubtful among you that they found nothing of the kind... despite Bob's motto of "If at first you don't succeed, weave, weave, again..."

Why is it so hard to understand that the IRS cannot do anything when they can't SEE anything??? Wonder where it went to??? Proof is that it is someplace!!!. The evidence of it's (money)use is visible!!

[Mary Sue Smith]

Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious.  You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds.  They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips.  Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid. 

 

[tinka]

Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious.  You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds.  They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips.  Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid. 

 
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You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experianced the facts. Are you so gulible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???

[Cindy]

Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious.  You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds.  They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips.  Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.  

 

You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experianced the facts. Are you so gulible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???

To the contrary, Tinka,  you experienced nothing for yourself at 3abn, much less "the facts" and don't even know anyone being spoken of, or anything from a first person perspective with them, but you constantly speak against them.

And nothing that you say above has anything to do with the individuals and company who audit 3abn, or the individuals who conducted the IRS investigation or the individuals in the Court cases involving  3abn, nor do you even know anything about them in order to make a comparison, but again, although you experienced no facts where they are all concerned,you are speaking against them.

It's disgusting imo, and I think you should stop, because every idle word you speak is recorded and you may very well find yourself being pronounced guilty (in a much higher court) of malice and of bearing false witness.

[Bob Pickle]

It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.

Quite obviously you are wrong. 3abn, and DS have disputed it, I am disputing it and pointing out your opinions aren't facts and aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever...

What lame attempts has Simpson made in disputing it on 3ABN and Danny's behalf? He asserted without evidence that the kickbacks were "perfectly proper royalty payments," and that PPPA was no longer the publisher of Danny's PPPA booklets.

I suppose that even the indisputable fact that the sky is blue could be called disputed simply because someone out there asserts that the sky is green, not blue.

Your assertion that we have not backed up with any evidence whatsoever that the payments were kickbacks is a bald faced lie, and you know it. You know that PPPA is the publisher of those booklets, and you know that PPPA pays Danny royalties on those booklets, and you know that Remnant paid Danny for sales of those booklets to 3ABN. And you know that we have provided evidence supporting all these things, and thus you know that you are lying when you say that we haven't provided any evidence whatsoever.

If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.

But they didn't feel or find that there were any kickbacks or that they were private inurement , Bob, and you can never prove they did as that is false

Since there were kickbacks and private inurement, then your unsubstantiated assertion that the IRS didn't find any such thing must be wrong.

[Bob Pickle]

Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators.

Remember Arthur Anderson? Not all auditors do the job they are supposed to do.

In my opinion, the sheets Alan Lovejoy did up for use in the property tax case hearing in 2002 indicate that he was manipulating the numbers some. We made that case in court. His attorney did not refute the evidence we provided, from what I recall.

[Cindy]

It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.

Quite obviously you are wrong. 3abn, and DS have disputed it, I am disputing it and pointing out your opinions aren't facts and aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever...

What lame attempts has Simpson made in disputing it on 3ABN and Danny's behalf? He asserted without evidence that the kickbacks were "perfectly proper royalty payments," and that PPPA was no longer the publisher of Danny's PPPA booklets.

I suppose that even the indisputable fact that the sky is blue could be called disputed simply because someone out there asserts that the sky is green, not blue.

Your assertion that we have not backed up with any evidence whatsoever that the payments were kickbacks is a bald faced lie, and you know it. You know that PPPA is the publisher of those booklets, and you know that PPPA pays Danny royalties on those booklets, and you know that Remnant paid Danny for sales of those booklets to 3ABN. And you know that we have provided evidence supporting all these things, and thus you know that you are lying when you say that we haven't provided any evidence whatsoever.

If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.

But they didn't feel or find that there were any kickbacks or that they were private inurement , Bob, and you can never prove they did as that is false

Since there were kickbacks and private inurement, then your unsubstantiated assertion that the IRS didn't find any such thing must be wrong.

Please reread:

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I'm done here, continue to spin and argue by yourself...

[tinka]

Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious.  You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds.  They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips.  Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.  

 

You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experienced the facts. Are you so gullible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???

To the contrary, Tinka,  you experienced nothing for yourself at 3abn, much less "the facts" and don't even know anyone being spoken of, or anything from a first person perspective with them, but you constantly speak against them.

And nothing that you say above has anything to do with the individuals and company who audit 3abn, or the individuals who conducted the IRS investigation or the individuals in the Court cases involving  3abn, nor do you even know anything about them in order to make a comparison, but again, although you experienced no facts where they are all concerned,you are speaking against them.

It's disgusting imo, and I think you should stop, because every idle word you speak is recorded and you may very well find yourself being pronounced guilty (in a much higher court) of malice and of bearing false witness.

Ian,
By your own words i am now convinced that you cannot understand "context" of issues when certain people post. Whether you are an attorney or an assistant or whatever you just cannot get the context of what someone is saying correctly without completely using your own frame of mind to fit in the links you believe in.

I understand now why you cannot understand. You do not read properly because your mind in flapping in the breeze.

1.  No where did I say that I had experience with 3 abn or knew their personal auditors. But...they had experience with funds I sent and family sent. That is your accusation and statement. My oh My.

2. The facts I speak of are facts of experience with the likes of their jobs.

3. You have accused me of not knowing anything of them (that is your words) when I never said I did. Maybe I do and maybe I don't. Your surmising

3. Nobody nor I said anything about direct individuals connected with 3abn doing their audits or IRS investigations.

4. I did speak on the terms of having true facts with the likes of the IRS on a National Basis. So what makes them any different and 100% Kosher because they went into 3abn. You come up with your own rendition of what was never said. You twisted it to your own liking.

5. I can read for my self the court documents which are facts of history! So how can you claim there are no facts to compare anything too?

6. You are a controller, and fabricator and have no right to say "stop" when someone views facts on black and white and speaks of it. Do you know what freedom is?

7. Your sort of confused in the understanding likewise of the meaning bearing "false witness!"  False witness has nothing to do here when one speaks the truth of facts they can see by just watching the fiasco on National TV. You got to be silly or something. I speak what I see.

8. You do not have the authority of suggesting the "pronouncing" of anything that may or may not be with the Avenues of God.  

9. Your comments are twisted, spinning and off the wall to what I was implying. Now I understand how you have twisted all the rest when you could not even understand what I was saying about facts of the IRS in general and yes we do have experience with junk.

10. Now I understand more what people are stating coming on to you. They are right!!

11. Yes, disgusting the 3abn saga        and their sympathizers.    

[Cindy]

It is clear to me that you didn't understand the point I was making, or what I was trying to caution you about, Tinka. Whether that was because you are unable to or don't choose to, I don't know. That's not really mine to know or decide but I said what I said and I stand by that. moving on...

[tinka]

An outsider always looks at the broader picture of both sides to find truth. The patterns, the experience, the view, the actions, the presentations, has caused "Sanctification" of facts to be outbalanced in believing that DS is an innocent person in the dealings and handling of wives, cash, SDA beliefs to SDA disbeliefs, criminal behaviors, expenditures, and "Extravaganza lifestyles". I wished it wasn't so. So prove that it is not! Many of your posts are so twisted to the facts. I also know by this manner that you must be an attorney to do this and that is( Next to )the best they can do. I am so familiar with words of this kind and manner used to protect all sorts of "money pits" for their own greed. You have been indoctrinated, educated and implicated into what you are doing. Jesus called these kind of attorneys "vipers". Prove none of this happened and then call yourself "Justified"!

[Cindy]

An outsider always looks at the broader picture of both sides to find truth. The patterns, the experience, the view, the actions, the presentations, has caused "Sanctification" of facts to be outbalanced in believing that DS is an innocent person in the dealings and handling of wives, cash, SDA beliefs to SDA disbeliefs, criminal behaviors, expenditures, and "Extravaganza lifestyles". I wished it wasn't so. So prove that it is not! Many of your posts are so twisted to the facts. I also know by this manner that you must be an attorney to do this and that is( Next to )the best they can do. I am so familiar with words of this kind and manner used to protect all sorts of "money pits" for their own greed. You have been indoctrinated, educated and implicated into what you are doing. Jesus called these kind of attorneys "vipers". Prove none of this happened and then call yourself "Justified"!

Tinka, I can't allow you to make up a lie about me and go on believing it without at least attempting to let you know you are wrong. I am not an Attorney nor do I have anything to do with the legal profession. It may interest you to know that I myself started out as an outsider and was working with Bob Pickle but my own questions and the answers I found soon led us to a parting of the ways. In addition, it appears to me you have made up your mind, and are adamant about what you think you know in regards to 3abn as you are asking me to prove you wrong, whereas in my opinion you should be able to prove you are right as the burden of proof is on you. I cannot show anything to you that you do not want to see and I think it a waste of time to argue with your opinions re: 3abn.

I'm sorry.

[tinka]

I am all eyes, and all ears to listen where all this is wrong. I can only relate what I have seen even without looking at Bob's info.
But it would have to be with no doubt on the subject presented.  I will never be impressed with 3abn again. I do know some inner details for my own knowledge. I am more then sorry that this whole mess had to be. 3abn was wearing on me the wrong way even before the break up of DS & LS.

[Johann]

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[childoftheking]

Johann, your link only leads to a sign in page for gmail.

[Johann]

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