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Mid County Bank Records cont...
« on: January 06, 2010, 06:53:58 AM »

... In summary, a lawyer who actively participated in this case would well know that bank records ARE NOT THE PROPERTY OF THE ACCOUNT HOLDER. That has been clearly established.... And just why were the records ...allowed to be given to the custody of "plaintiff's" counsel with no known interest in the same? Because they THOUGHT they could get away with it...and I believe that this is a substantial BREACH OF ETHICS by the former prosecutor and his cohort, Simpson, a member of the Minnesotta Bars "Ethics Committee"!!!!

Further, upon appropriate request, they have refused to return the records to the US District Court!!! And then oppose the motion...is this also "zealous" advocacy??? Me thinks it goes a bit further than that. Because, while the court simply faces a claim for expropriation, for these "Zealous" Advocates it could represent a far greater issue...

....these are properly subpoenaed and produced documents under court order of the US District Court in Minnesota and you really do need a good course in discovery...

Gailon Arthur Joy
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Something new has hit the light of day and is about to become public.  What a breath of fresh air!  The Lord will shine the light of day to help put this puzzle together once and for all.  What is it?   Beats me, but I am getting excited to find out!...

Bravo, Fran! Very well said! :TY: :thumbsup: :goodpost:

I also have noticed a resurgence of posts from the defenders, including a barrage of PMs I got from 3ABN Defender. Something is definitely afoot, and they're trying to head it off at the pass.
Think it has anything to do with the 11 to 12 pounds of sealed bank statements Pucci's employee Christine Parizo walked away with from the federal courthouse in Worcester, Massachusetts, in violation of a court order?

I wonder if that story would catch any eyes among the big media. Here it is post-9/11, and someone walks away with 11 to 12 pounds of sealed documents from a federal courthouse in violation of a court order.

3ABN's Attorney's have filed their opposition to your Motion to compel them to return the Mid County bank records, and have rebutted all your accusations, arguments, and claims now.

I'll post the document for you.

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Re: Mid County Bank Records cont...
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 07:01:54 AM »

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Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS    Document 216   Filed 01/04/2010  Pages 18 of 18

_______________________________________________________________________
PLAINTIFFS’ OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO COMPEL
PLAINTIFFS’ COUNSEL TO RETURN THE MIDCOUNTRY RECORDS
________________________________________________________________________

                    INTRODUCTION


     Defendants Gailon Arthur Joy (“Joy”) and Robert Pickle (“Pickle”) now seek an
Order from this Court requiring Plaintiffs’ counsel to return to this Court raw discovery
documents that MidCountry Bank originally delivered under seal to Magistrate Judge
Hillman and which this Court later ordered to be turned over to Plaintiffs’ counsel as part
of its October 30, 2008 Order dismissing the case. The documents were not used for any
purpose and form no part of the court record in this case. Nevertheless, Defendants have
filed a separate Motion to Certify and Forward Part of the Record, which Motion
concerns these same documents. (Docket #204).1 Plaintiffs Three Angels Broadcasting

    1 “Docket #” refers to this Court’s ECF civil docket number.


Network, Inc. and Danny Lee Shelton have opposed that Motion (Docket #207) and
oppose this related Motion for largely the same reasons.

     The MidCountry Bank records contain the personal financial information of
Plaintiff Shelton. Pickle and Joy originally sought them with a subpoena issued from the
United States District Court for the District of Minnesota. Plaintiffs opposed the
production of the bank records. The United States District Court for the District of
Minnesota ultimately ordered them disclosed under seal to Judge Hillman, whereby
Judge Hillman would make further decisions concerning whether they should be released
to Pickle and Joy and if so, under what conditions.

     This Court granted Plaintiffs’ Motion for Voluntary Dismissal before Defendants
sought Judge Hillman’s review or disclosure to them of the MidCountry Bank records.
As raw discovery materials, they were never part of the District Court record for any
purpose, and specifically were not part of the record upon which this Court issued the
Orders that Pickle and Joy have challenged in their appeal to the First Circuit Court of
Appeals.

     When 3ABN and Shelton moved to voluntarily dismiss this lawsuit, they
specifically requested the return to them of the MidCountry documents in their motion
papers. (Docket #120, 121). Since their relevancy was now a moot issue, this Court
agreed and ordered their return. (Docket #141 at pp. 12—13; Electronic Clerk’s Notes
for 10/30/2008 Status Conf. before Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV). Pickle and Joy did not
seek a stay of the Order directing Magistrate Judge Hillman to return the MidCountry
Bank records, nor did they seek reconsideration of that part of the Order in any of their
many post-judgment filings. There was nothing improper about Plaintiffs’ counsel
retrieving the documents from the courthouse pursuant to the Court’s Order. Plaintiffs
(and Judge Hillman’s chambers) simply implemented the Court’s order by doing what
everybody understood the Court had intended, i.e., retrieval of the documents by 3ABN’s
counsel. The appeal did not stay the Order. See Fed. R. App. Proc. 8. Nor did Pickle
and Joy seek reconsideration of the Court’s order to return the MidCountry Bank records.
 
     Once Pickle and Joy filed their notice of appeal, this Court was divested of
jurisdiction to revisit its decisions concerning the physical disposition of the MidCountry
Bank documents. Now that Pickle and Joy have appealed, this Court lacks jurisdiction to
grant the relief they seek. Moreover, to the extent that the present motion is in substance
a motion for reconsideration of the Order granting return of the MidCountry records and
is being made more than a year after the Order was issued, it is extremely untimely. Nor
do Pickle and Joy have any credible basis for complaining about Plaintiff Shelton
obtaining his own personal financial information as contained in the MidCountry
documents, or for claiming that they own those documents simply because they were
ordered to pay MidCountry’s costs in locating and reproducing them. Pickle and Joy’s
only legal recourse is to seek appellate review of this Court’s original Order directing that
the documents be returned. Thus, this Court must deny Pickle and Joy’s Motion to
Compel Plaintiffs’ Counsel to Return the MidCountry Records.

                STATEMENT OF FACTS


     This case arises from a lawsuit by Plaintiffs Three Angels Broadcasting Network,
Inc. and Danny Lee Shelton (collectively referred to as “3ABN”) alleging trademark
infringement, trademark dilution, defamation, and intentional interference with
advantageous economic relations against Pickle and Joy. (Docket #1). The allegations in
the Complaint were based upon Pickle and Joy operating a web site that used the
“3ABN” logo to attract viewers and then bombarded them with disparaging and
defamatory statements about 3ABN. (Id.).

     The parties commenced discovery in this Court. Pickle and Joy served written
Requests for Production of Documents upon 3ABN requesting financial records and bank
statements. (Docket #208, Ex. A at Ex. C). Around this time, Pickle and Joy also issued
a subpoena from the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota on a
branch of MidCountry Bank located in Minnesota, served on January 16, 2008. (Id., Ex.
A at Ex. F). This subpoena sought Appellees’ sensitive, confidential, business, financial,
and operational records. (Id.). The subpoena was strikingly similar to document requests
in this Court that were the subject of 3ABN’s motion for protective order, which was still
unresolved at that time. (Id., Ex. A at Ex. H, ¶ 10). 3ABN moved to quash this subpoena
based on the fact that a directly-related motion for protective order was pending in this
Court. (Id., Ex. B).

     The Minnesota court, the Honorable Arthur J. Boylan presiding, denied 3ABN’s
motion to quash the subpoena on July 1, 2008, but with specific conditions. (Id., Ex. C).
The Minnesota court ordered Pickle and Joy to pay MidCountry Bank’s reasonable costs
in responding to the subpoena. (Id., Ex. C at p. 2). Upon payment of these costs,
MidCountry Bank was to ship all documents under seal to Magistrate Judge Timothy S.
Hillman in Massachusetts, whereby Judge Hillman could determine what to do with the
documents. (Id., Ex. C. at p. 2). The Order did not authorize the disclosure of the
MidCountry documents to Pickle and Joy, and the Court specifically stated that its Order
did not “preclude the parties from seeking relief from Magistrate Judge Hillman as to the
disclosure of documents produced pursuant to the MidCountry Bank subpoena.” (Id., Ex.
C at p. 3). Pickle and Joy moved for reconsideration of this Order and production of the
MidCountry documents directly to Pickle, which the Minnesota court denied. (Id., Ex.
D).

     In the meantime, Magistrate Judge Hillman issued a Confidentiality and Protective
Order that governed “all documents and information produced, or to be produced by any
party of third party in connection with this litigation . . . .” (Docket #60, at p. 1). The
Confidentiality and Protective Order granted each party the right to designate as
confidential all discovery materials where the designating party determines that
disclosure “will reveal matters that such party believes in good faith are not generally
known or readily available to the public, and that such party deems to constitute
proprietary information, confidential business or personal information, and/or trade
secrets relating to its business.” (Id. at p. 2). On September 11, 2008, Magistrate Judge
Hillman further ordered that all subpoenas to non-parties could only be issued by leave of
Court. (Docket #107, at p. 5).

     The MidCountry records were thereafter produced and delivered to the United
States District Court for the District of Massachusetts sitting in Worcester on September
12, 2008. (Pickle Aff., Ex. 4). There is no ECF record of these documents on this date
They were simply delivered to the Court with the expectation that Judge Hillman would
decide what to do with them.

     On October 23, 2008, before the Defendants asked Judge Hillman to review or
release the MidCountry records to them, 3ABN moved to voluntarily dismiss this lawsuit
under Fed. R. Civ. P. 41(a)(2). (Docket # 120, 121). In the same motion, 3ABN moved
this Court to order the “return to Plaintiffs” of all Confidential Information pursuant to
the Confidentiality and Protective Order issued on April 17, 2008, including specifically
the “records of MidCountry Bank which were delivered under seal to, and remain in the
custody of, Magistrate Judge Hillman . . ...” (Docket #120, at p. 1). In its supporting
Memorandum of Law, 3ABN explained to this Court its interpretation of the
Confidentiality and Protective Order as “contemplat[ing] return of all Confidential
Information produced during the litigation” (Docket #121, at p. 7), since said Order
specifically provided that all material produced under it “will be used for no other
purpose than this litigation.” (Docket #60, at p. 1—2). 3ABN explicitly directed the
Court’s attention to the MidCountry Bank records and requested an order delivering those
records “to Plaintiffs,” which records had been “delivered under seal to Magistrate Judge
Hillman by MidCountry Bank pursuant to the subpoena issued in this case out of the U.S.
District Court for the District of Minnesota.” (Docket No. 121, at p. 8, 9).

     This Court granted the motion for voluntary dismissal on October 30, 2008.
(Docket #129, 141). The Court ordered that “all confidential documents [be] returned,
All subpoenas are ordered moot, Records in possession of Mag. Judge will be returned . .
. .” (Electronic Clerk’s Notes for 10/30/2008 Status Conf. before Judge F. Dennis Saylor
IV (emphasis added); Docket #141, at pp. 13—15. At the time of dismissal, Pickle and
Joy complained about the cost to obtain the MidCountry records, and the Court invited
them to request reasonable costs and fees by motion. (Docket # 141, at 15). Notably,
they did not seek reconsideration or clarification of the part of the Court’s order directing
that the MidCountry Bank records be returned.

     Pickle and Joy then filed a Notice of Appeal on November 13, 2008. (Docket
#133). On the same day, Pickle and Joy filed a motion for an award of their litigation
expenses. (Docket #130). On April 13, 2009, this Court denied Pickle and Joy’s motion
for costs and attorneys’ fees. (Docket # 166). On April 27, 2009, Pickle and Joy filed a
motion to reconsider and to amend findings. (Docket # 169). On October 26, 2009, this
Court denied Pickle and Joy’s motion for reconsideration and to amend or alter the
judgment, motion for leave to file under seal, and motion for sanctions. (Docket #193).
In doing so, the Court confirmed that, “to the extent that the materials [considered in the
motion to file under seal] are subject to the Confidentiality and Protective Order issued
by Magistrate Judge Hillman on this matter on April 17, 2008, they should have been
returned to plaintiffs some time ago.” (Id. at 3) (emphasis added). Thus, the Court and
all parties contemplated return of the MidCountry Bank records to the Plaintiffs. Pickle
and Joy waited for more than a year to suggest that “return” as contemplated by the
Plaintiff’s motion and the Court’s order granting it meant return of the records to
MidCountry Bank. Since MidCountry Bank would do nothing with the records other than
dispose of them, it would have been nonsensical to order that the records be returned to
MidCountry Bank, as Defendants now contend the order should be construed to say.
Pickle and Joy appealed from this order on November 23, 2009. (Docket # 196).
The MidCountry Bank records were returned to 3ABN’s counsel by Magistrate Judge
Hillman’s office. (Docket #160). 3ABN’s counsel has assured Pickle and Joy that the
records will be maintained in the condition under which they were received until the
appellate process has been exhausted. (Docket #208, Ex. F). Pickle and Joy continue to
ignore this Court’s order to return the documents they received under the protective order
issued in this case. (Id. at ¶ 8).2

                LEGAL ARGUMENT


I.    This court has no jurisdiction to reverse its own order after a party has
appealed to the court of appeals.

     The fact that Pickle and Joy filed a notice of appeal to the First Circuit Court of
Appeals has absolved this Court of jurisdiction over its order requiring return of the
MidCountry Bank documents:

        [A] federal district court and a federal court of appeals should not attempt
        to assert jurisdiction over a case simultaneously. The filing of a notice of
        appeal is an event of jurisdictional significance — it confers jurisdiction on
        the court of appeals and divests the district court of its control over those
        aspects of the case involved in the appeal.

    2      Plaintiffs have not brought a motion specifically seeking return of the other documents
    that Pickle and Joy obtained under the Protective Order, primarily the Remnant
    Publishing records, because it would likely spawn a whole new series of motions and
    appeals. For the same reason, Plaintiffs also have not sought sanctions against Pickle and
    Joy, although their attacks on the integrity of this Court and Plaintiffs’ counsel would
    more than warrant them. For the reasons stated in their original motion for voluntary
    dismissal, Plaintiffs simply want this litigation to end. However, they reserve all rights
    under the Protective Order and their right to enforce this Court’s order that the records be
    returned if Pickle and Joy publish information under the Protective Order.
    Griggs v. Provident Consumer Discount Co., 459 U.S. 56, 58 (1982). Under the
    jurisdictional-transfer principle, once a notice of appeal has been filed, the federal district
    court cannot take any action that would alter the appellate status of the case. Knutson v.
    AG Processing, Inc., 302 F.Supp.2d 1023, 1030 (N.D. Ia. 2004) (citations omitted).
    Here, this Court cannot reverse its own Order requiring return of the MidCountry Bank
    documents.


     This Court has already ruled on the physical disposition of the MidCountry Bank
documents and ordered that they be returned. (Docket #141, at pp. 13—15; Electronic
Clerk’s Notes for 10/30/2008 Status Conf. before Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV). In their
motion to dismiss this lawsuit, 3ABN and Shelton moved this Court to have the
MidCountry Bank documents returned to them. (Docket #120, at p. 1). The basis for the
motion was set forth in 3ABN’s accompanying brief. (Docket #121). 3ABN explained
that all parties had contemplated the return of Confidential Information at the conclusion
of the litigation and that Magistrate Judge Hillman had limited the use of all Confidential
Information strictly for purposes of the litigation. (Docket #121, at p. 7). In its Order,
this Court agreed with 3ABN’s position on the return of Confidential Information and
ordered that all Confidential Information, including the MidCountry Bank records in the
possession of Magistrate Judge Hillman, be returned. (Docket #141, at pp. 13—15;
Electronic Clerk’s Notes for 10/30/2008 Status Conf. before Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV).
Pickle and Joy then moved for an award of their litigation expenses, which this
Court denied. (Docket # 166). Pickle and Joy then moved for reconsideration and to
amend or alter the judgment, motion for leave to file under seal, and motion for sanctions,
which the district court also denied. (Docket #193). In doing so, the Court noted that,
“to the extent that the materials [considered in the motion to file under seal] are subject to
the Confidentiality and Protective Order issued by Magistrate Judge Hillman on this
matter on April 17, 2008, they should have been returned to plaintiffs some time ago.”
(Id. at p. 3) (emphasis added). Pickle and Joy appealed from this order on November 23,
2009. (Docket # 196). The notice of appeal acted to remove this Court’s jurisdiction on
all issues related to the appeals. Moreover, to the extent that Pickle and Joy attempt to
move again for reconsideration of the same order, this motion is untimely.

     Thus, this Court has no jurisdiction to reconsider its decision concerning the
MidCountry documents — a decision that is currently on appeal. Review of this Order
rests with the First Circuit Court of Appeals. The proper procedure for Pickle and Joy to
object to this Court’s Order requiring return of the MidCountry Bank documents is
through the appellate process. This Court has no ability to reverse its own Order, which
is now on appeal. Thus, there is no legal basis for this Court to issue an order compelling
Plaintiffs’ Counsel to return the MidCountry Bank documents. Pickle and Joy’s motion
must be denied.

II.   Even if this court had jurisdiction to review its earlier Order, Pickle and
Joy’s motion would be denied because the MidCountry Bank documents were
never part of the district court record with respect to the motion to dismiss.

     Generally, only documents and evidence presented to the district court can be
included in the record on appeal. See, e.g., Commonwealth v. United States Veterans
Admin., 541 F.2d 119, 123 n. 5 (1st Cir. 1976) (striking portions of appendix that were
not part of district court record.). The record on appeal is typically made up of: (1) the
original papers and exhibits filed in the district court; (2) transcripts of the proceedings;
and (3) a certified copy of the docket entries provided by the district court. F.R.A.P.
10(a).

     The MidCountry records were not filed with the Court merely because the clerk of
court physically received them. On the contrary, the rules of civil procedure prohibit the
filing of discovery materials unless used in connection with a motion or where the court
orders that the documents be filed. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 5 (d) (1) (“the following discovery
requests and responses must not be filed until they are used in the proceeding or the court
orders filing:… requests for documents....”); D. Mass. L.R. 26.6 (a) (“any… requests for
or products of the discovery process shall not be filed unless so ordered by the court or
for use in the proceeding.”).

     The conditions necessary to make the MidCountry Bank records part of this
Court’s record did not occur: this Court did not order that they be filed, and they were
never used in connection with any motion. Thus, the MidCountry Bank records should
not be deemed to have been filed merely because they were sent to the Magistrate Judge
Hillman for future handling.

     The district court administrator treated these records in a manner that
acknowledged they were not part of the district court record by not docketing them in the
district court’s electronic docketing system. Minnesota Magistrate Judge Boylan had
merely ordered the confidential bank statements be forwarded by MidCountry Bank
under seal for future handling by Magistrate Judge Hillman. There is no record that
Judge Hillman ever substantively reviewed them, and there was no occasion on which he
would have had a reason to do so. Nor did Pickle and Joy ever move to have Judge
Hillman review the records or release the records to them. Judge Saylor did not refer to
these confidential records to determine the motion to dismiss. The only question
surrounding these confidential documents at the time of the motion to dismiss concerned
their physical disposition. Because this Court never substantively reviewed these
documents, they are not reviewable on appeal. See, e.g., Naser Jewelers v. City of
Concord, New Hampshire, 538 F.3d 17, 19 n. 1 (1st Cir. 2008) (holding that documents
that were never properly authenticated and attached as affidavit exhibits were not
properly before the district court on motion for summary judgment).

     A motion to enlarge the record under Rule 10(e) is designed to supplement the
record on appeal so that it accurately reflects what occurred before the district court.
United States v. Rivera-Rosario, 300 F.3d 1, 9 (1st Cir. 2002). The rule attempts to
confirm that the proceedings in the district court are accurately reflected on appeal:
confirm that the proceedings in the district court are accurately reflected on appeal:

    (2)     If anything material to either party is omitted from or misstated in the
    record by error or accident, the omission or misstatement may be corrected
    and a supplemental record may be certified and forwarded:

        (A) on stipulation of the parties;
        (B) by the district court before or after the record has been forwarded;
        or
        (C) by the court of appeals.

FRAP 10(e)(2) (emphasis added). Thus, the purpose of Rule 10(e) is to correct
inadvertent errors or accidents. FRAP 10(e) cannot be used to put additional evidence —
relevant or not — before the court of appeals that was not before the district court.
Rivera-Rosario, 300 F.2d at 9. Pickle and Joy cannot ask the appellate court to
substantively review documents that the district court never reviewed. This Court can
only forward and certify records in order to accurately reflect what was before the district
court when it made its decision on 3ABN’s motion to dismiss.

     Here, this Court did not consider the substance of these records on the motion to
dismiss. Thus, to supplement the record with information not used below would enlarge
the record rather than accurately reflect what occurred at the district court level. Circuit
Courts have confirmed that the purpose of Rule 10(e) is to provide an accurate reflection
of events, not to provide an opportunity for retroactive alteration of these events. United
States v. Page, 661 F.2d 1080, 1082 (5th Cir. 1981). “New proceedings of a substantive
nature, designed to supply what might have been done but was not, are beyond the breach
of [Rule 10(e)].” Id. If Pickle and Joy are dissatisfied with this Court’s Order requiring
return of these documents, they must present this argument on appeal from the Order
denying their motion for reconsideration. Thus, because this Court cannot forward or
certify as part of the substantive record documents that were never part of the record, this
Court should deny Pickle and Joy’s Motion to Compel Plaintiffs’ Counsel to Return the
MidCountry Records.

III.      There was nothing improper about Plaintiffs’ retrieval of the MidCountry
records.

     Defendants interpret this Court’s Order as requiring the return of the MidCountry
records to MidCountry, not to Plaintiffs. (Docket #211, at p. 4). In order to advance this
argument, Defendants accuse Plaintiffs of deceit in connection with the use of the word
“return.” (Id.). Defendants further accuse Plaintiffs of deceiving the Court by requesting
the return pursuant to the April 17, 2008 Confidentiality and Protective Order. (Id.).
There was nothing deceitful about Plaintiffs’ moving papers. Plaintiffs explicitly
indicated that they sought return to the Plaintiffs of the documents that had been
produced under seal to the Court by MidCountry Bank. (Docket #120, at p. 1; 121, at p.
8—9). Nowhere did Plaintiffs claim to have been the source of the MidCountry
documents. Moreover, Plaintiffs set forth their interpretation of the Confidentiality and
Protective Order as contemplating the return of Confidential Information (Docket #121,
at p. 7), an interpretation this Court implicitly adopted when it ordered return of the
documents.

     Moreover, the only reasonable interpretation of the Court’s Order is that the
MidCountry records be returned to Plaintiff, not to MidCountry bank. (Docket #141).
This is the relief Plaintiffs’ sought and which the Court clearly intended to grant. The
information contained in the MidCountry documents is the personal and confidential
financial information of Plaintiff Shelton. The Confidentiality and Protective Order
extended to matters that “are not generally known or readily available to the public, and
that such party deems to constitute . . . confidential . . . information . . ..” (Docket #60, at
p. 2). The information about Plaintiff Shelton in the MidCountry Bank records falls
squarely within this category. Accordingly, Plaintiff Shelton was entitled to designate the
MidCountry records as Confidential Information and to seek their return to him at the
conclusion of the litigation to ensure that his Confidential Information was not used for
purposes other than the litigation, which had concluded. Nor do Pickle and Joy have any
credible basis for complaining that Plaintiff Shelton is in possession of his own personal
and confidential financial information.

     This is obviously how Judge Hillman’s chambers understood the Court’s Order, or
the MidCountry bank records would not have been returned to Plaintiffs’ counsel over
one year ago. (Docket #160). There was no subterfuge involved in the Court’s delivery
of the documents to Plaintiffs’ counsel or in Plaintiffs’ counsel’s retrieval of the
documents. The receipt was signed by “Christine Parizo, Fierst, Pucci & Kane LLP,”
and the receipt was individually entered into the Court’s docket, with a Notice of
Electronic Filing going out to all parties, including Pickle and Joy. (Docket #160)
(emphasis added). Pickle’s and Joy’s failure to read the entire receipt, which is contained
on a single page, and their alleged confusion about the language “Received of the Clerk,”
does not justify their “mistaken belief that these records were still in the custody of this
Court,” given their actual notice that this was not the case. Nor does it suggest any
wrongdoing by Plaintiffs’ counsel or the Court. Pickle and Joy’s suggestion that the
Court conspired with Plaintiffs’ counsel to deprive them of their “property” without due
process is a ridiculous suggestion.

     Moreover, setting aside for the moment the question of whether the Court’s Order
was to return the records to Plaintiffs, as requested, or to MidCountry Bank, it is
unequivocal that this Court ordered the records sent away from the courthouse. Had this
Court considered the voluminous discovery documents to be part of its record, it would
not have ordered them out of its custody. Rather, the Court viewed the documents for
what they were, raw discovery documents that had never been reviewed by the Court and
were not relied on by the Court in connection with its order of dismissal or refusal to
grant Defendants their costs. Whether the discovery documents were returned to
MidCountry Bank or to Plaintiffs’ counsel, either way, they would no longer be at the
courthouse. Pickle and Joy make much hay of the fact that Plaintiffs’ counsel retrieved
the documents, but, at the end of the day, it makes no difference to their argument.
Pickle and Joy knew as of October 30, 2008, when the Court dismissed the case that the
MidCountry documents would be leaving the courthouse, and they made no objection.
Given that the documents have been returned to Plaintiffs’ counsel, Joy and Pickle are
actually in a better position than they would have been had the documents been sent to
MidCountry. 3ABN’s counsel has assured Pickle and Joy that the records will be
maintained in the condition under which they were received until the appellate process
has been exhausted. (Docket #208, Ex. F). Had the records been returned to
MidCountry, they no doubt would have been destroyed, since MidCountry would have no
need for a copy of the documents in addition to the originals

IV.      The MidCountry Records Are Not the Property of Pickle and Joy.

     Lastly, Pickle and Joy argue that the MidCountry records belong to them because
they paid for them and that the Court wrongfully expropriated them. (Docket #211, at pp.
10—11). In fact, Pickle and Joy did not pay for the records; they paid MidCountry’s
reasonable costs in responding to the subpoena. The records and the information
contained in them are not for sale, and Pickle and Joy did not purchase those records or
the information therein by paying MidCountry’s reasonable costs for locating and
reproducing them.

     Moreover, Pickle and Joy have not even been authorized to view the records.
Judge Boylan’s Orders prohibited MidCountry from providing copies of the documents
to Pickle and Joy, denied Pickle and Joy’s request to have the documents delivered
directly to them, and informed Pickle and Joy that they could seek relief from Magistrate
Judge Hillman as to disclosure of the documents. (Docket #208, Ex. C at pp. 2—3; Ex.
D). This Pickle and Joy never did. Thus, contrary to their argument, Pickle and Joy have
never even been authorized to personally review or receive the MidCountry records and
certainly cannot be considered the owners of them.

                CONCLUSION

     This Court has no jurisdiction to enlarge the appellate record to include the
MidCountry Bank documents. The issue of whether or not this Court properly ordered
their return is now on appeal. Furthermore, the substantive information in the
MidCountry Bank documents was never part of the record on the motion to dismiss.
Lastly, there was nothing improper about Plaintiffs having retrieved the documents
pursuant to the Court’s Order dismissing the case, and Defendants do not own the
documents simply because they paid MidCountry’s reasonable costs in locating and
reproducing them in response to their subpoena as they were ordered to do by the
Minnesota court. Thus, this Court should deny Pickle and Joy’s Motion to Compel
Plaintiff’s Counsel to Return the MidCountry Records

Respectfully submitted,
Dated: January 4, 2010 ....
Attorneys for Plaintiffs Three Angels
Broadcasting Network and Danny Lee Shelton
7183591.1

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Re: Mid County Bank Records cont...
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 07:32:39 AM »

3ABN's attorneys knew full well that filing this lawsuit would open them up to discovery. Danny wasn't expecting it to happen, because no one had ever done it before. When it DID happen, that's when they filed for voluntary dismissal.

Are you really saying you don't think there is anything strange about that?
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 08:57:06 AM »

Simpson in his response is clearly wrong. He claims that the court can't change its order of Oct. 30, 2008, because of our pending appeals, and then tries to explain how that order didn't mean what it said, and how the court can explain how it means something else more than 11 months after we began our first appeal.

The guy is totally unreasonable. Simpson may be one of the main reasons why the litigation hasn't ended yet. How can anyone negotiate with him?

And in the email I got yesterday, Simpson emphatically states that he still intends to try to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, as if those allegations were a trade secret of 3ABN. Doesn't Simpson have a conscience? Doesn't he realize that the great God of heaven demands his allegiance more than little Danny Shelton, and that he must give account for his actions and his words to Him?
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 12:02:28 PM »

...as if those allegations were a trade secret of 3ABN.

Child molestation allegations a 3ABN trade secret...that's a novel idea!
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 01:29:13 PM »

3ABN's attorneys knew full well that filing this lawsuit would open them up to discovery. Danny wasn't expecting it to happen, because no one had ever done it before. When it DID happen, that's when they filed for voluntary dismissal.

Are you really saying you don't think there is anything strange about that?

And he may not have expected a ripple on the surface of the water when he tossed Linda overboard. Who should go against the president?
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 02:13:39 PM »

3ABN's attorneys knew full well that filing this lawsuit would open them up to discovery. Danny wasn't expecting it to happen, because no one had ever done it before. When it DID happen, that's when they filed for voluntary dismissal.

Are you really saying you don't think there is anything strange about that?

And he may not have expected a ripple on the surface of the water when he tossed Linda overboard. Who should go against the president?

Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey are doing just fine as the heads of their own television empires.  That may have  been part of the problem, too.  Women are often good -- very good -- at what they do.  Maybe, they're too good for others to tolerate.

 

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 09:13:22 PM »

And in the email I got yesterday, Simpson emphatically states that he still intends to try to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, as if those allegations were a trade secret of 3ABN.

Then as far as I'm concerned, Simpson is no better than a child molestor.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 09:34:33 AM »

"Now, what I want is Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. . . . Stick to Facts, sir!"  -- Charles Dickens in Hard Times. (1812-1870)
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 04:33:45 PM »

My, my, Little Grasshopper;

What a compliment for Linda!  You are right!  Linda, like Oprah and Martha, excell in what they do.  None of them will stop until all is as it should be.  Now, this type of perfection is not tolerated well by some.  However, the product they produce is the best they could have possibly done! 

I have to rethink my impression of you for recognizing a job well done by Martha, Oprah and Linda.  I agree that some may find them intolerable!  I don't believany anyone is ever tolerated by everyone all of the time!  Yeah, even you and me!




3ABN's attorneys knew full well that filing this lawsuit would open them up to discovery. Danny wasn't expecting it to happen, because no one had ever done it before. When it DID happen, that's when they filed for voluntary dismissal.

Are you really saying you don't think there is anything strange about that?


And he may not have expected a ripple on the surface of the water when he tossed Linda overboard. Who should go against the president?


Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey are doing just fine as the heads of their own television empires.  That may have  been part of the problem, too.  Women are often good -- very good -- at what they do.  Maybe, they're too good for others to tolerate.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 02:11:32 PM »

"Whether they give or refuse, women are glad to have been asked." -- Publius Ovid, 43 BC - AD 13
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 05:19:45 AM »

Johann, Not so. Some are offended and annoyed. Especially once a woman has made it clear that she is not interested. If Publius Ovid was talking about what I think he was talking about.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 08:24:32 AM »

Johann, Not so. Some are offended and annoyed. Especially once a woman has made it clear that she is not interested. If Publius Ovid was talking about what I think he was talking about.

Adventist women in the United States, historically, had borrowed the old Puritan custom of not wearing wedding rings.  Prior to the 20th Century, most men worked with their hands and didn't wear wedding rings.  However, since it was customary for the man to do the asking, it worked out.

However, in the U.S., observance of that Puritan custom has left plenty of opportunities for people to be annoyed. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 09:41:58 AM »

It is not only those who do not know a wonan's marital status that annoy. Nor is it those men whose marital status leave them free to propose marriage.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 10:50:09 AM »

How do  you know what he was talking about?
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