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[tinka]

Facts are, no maatter the failings, 3ABN is still a power ministry that God is sitll blessing to reach millions.

...really?...is that for sure?

Artiste, many people view words that stir, and accolades from the stirred as evidence of God's blessing. By the same standard, TBN, EWTN, 3ABN, Al Jazeerah, local mosques, local cathedrals, and many more have God's blessing. People make big life changes through them, and give their lives over to God, and proceed to send in their money.

You mean send in their money so they can build nuculear bomb in Iran??? Watched any news lately. From the US mosques their money goes to iran!  Whole building in New York seized belongs to Iran and the mosques in all states are now under charge. and the people are just starting to wake up to actions  from terriorist within---- is fact of actions.  We have been hit again by their lives changed over to "God".  Obama does not declare this a hit from terriorist while most Americans do. What is going on?  Will Americans let the 2nd tower have to be hit  (again) before anyone realizes the enemy within. Of course all in the name of Allah.

Send in their money as zombies not knowing what happens from within??? DS any differnt then statement above??

Send in their money for works getting in through the gates??

I am thankful for one thing. Truth of knowledge, last day menssanger and still cannot believe "chosen" to know truth. But what one does with it is another fact. Knowing truth does not get one saved as still justification of ones own understanding of religion and works is displayed even on Advent Talk that I have discovered. It is a shivering and shuttering for me to where I want to almost get completely away.  That is why I cannot watch anymore the new "age" on 3abn.

I do want to comment though on something on "Hope". I turned tv on while sewing some baby clothes. "Really Living" was on. My attention was completely stolen as I looked at a woman with complete inspiration seeming to flow out of her at first look. Her speach got me next, she was so elegant in all. She really captivated me then as her story unfolded. I was then in tears as this lady spoke. I do not know when such an inspiration that was so visible that came flowing right out of tv. It was Minnie McNeil. a most elegant, beautiful lady with her story of her son.. of her work and why as the portrayed her goals for "God". Never was one word interjected of herself. Now that was a blessing to see...for me.

[Artiste]

Artiste, many people view words that stir, and accolades from the stirred as evidence of God's blessing. By the same standard, TBN, EWTN, 3ABN, Al Jazeerah, local mosques, local cathedrals, and many more have God's blessing. People make big life changes through them, and give their lives over to God, and proceed to send in their money.

Interesting thought, George, and it makes sense.

[mfc10]

So will Linda Shelton be there and be honored, for lack of a better word, or even mentioned for her part in the beginning and growth of 3ABN for the majority of time it has been around or will it be as if she never existed?   

I just finally got around to watching my tape of the live 25th Anniversary program on 3ABN. I was half-dozing in my recliner & heard the following. I jumped out of my chair & rewound the tape twice to make sure I heard correctly. After a song by John Lomacang, Danny came out, & after some preamble, said "...without people in the beginning who gave blood, sweat and tears...Danny Shelton couldn't do anything on his own...I mean my brother Kenny and his
family, LINDA, Melody...my daughter, Melody and her family, Tommy...so many people gave for so many years to get this going..." Huh!
Blessings,
Maggie

[Bob Pickle]

That sounds pretty neat. I'd like to get a copy of that one. Can anyone send me a DVD?

[princessdi]

Yes, Ariste, that is for sure.  You all are mistaken in believing that 4ABN is sole run on the power of Danny. it is not.  Name one time in the Bible where god punished the people for the sins of their leaders.  Moses stuck the rock and did not get to enter into the Promised Land, but the people still got the water and to enter into the Promised Land.  David's house was sucrsed and Absalom gave him major grief for not being the father he should have been, but Israel, which David ruled was still blessed, they still defeated the foes, etc.  God's plan to reach his children still goes on and is not dependent upon the nonexistent infallibility of any man.  NO-THING Danny does can cause God to change his mind about His truth reaching His Children.  Why would be believe that God didn't know Danny was imperfect or know each and every one of sins when he allowed him to establish 3ABN?  God was and is not surprised by Danny's transgressions.

YES!!!!!  3ABN is till a pwerful tool in soul winning for God, lest we believe that Danny's sins are more powerful than God!

...really?...is that for sure?

[Johann]

We should be studying our Sabbath School lesson, Di. You may have missed it, but I was teaching it. It is recorded that some of the leaders were to be punished, even by death, for what others did. A leader often has to take a great responsibility. Why don't you help us here with the lesson study?

Yes, Ariste, that is for sure.  You all are mistaken in believing that 4ABN is sole run on the power of Danny. it is not.  Name one time in the Bible where god punished the people for the sins of their leaders.  Moses stuck the rock and did not get to enter into the Promised Land, but the people still got the water and to enter into the Promised Land.  David's house was sucrsed and Absalom gave him major grief for not being the father he should have been, but Israel, which David ruled was still blessed, they still defeated the foes, etc.  God's plan to reach his children still goes on and is not dependent upon the nonexistent infallibility of any man.  NO-THING Danny does can cause God to change his mind about His truth reaching His Children.  Why would be believe that God didn't know Danny was imperfect or know each and every one of sins when he allowed him to establish 3ABN?  God was and is not surprised by Danny's transgressions.

YES!!!!!  3ABN is till a pwerful tool in soul winning for God, lest we believe that Danny's sins are more powerful than God!

...really?...is that for sure?

[tinka]

Like i said before Di, you would make a good lawyer for justification of facts for Defense of the guilty. I do not know how you are getting that understanding.

Clear off the subject do you understand what kind of justification that one might come up with now as what is going on with the Evengelicals and the Catholics joing now on one crusade and hand delivering a 48 page letter of insurrection to the White House because of your choice of vote and voters who did this.  It is coming sure enough and DS is not going to get away with this either. Do not justify that DS is like David after God's own heart. It just is not one smidge right. Nothing is right about it. There was no excuse for it. it was sure robbery from the deceived. Their doctrine and display is not of God either. Maybe you need to read a little more of Sky's delivery in different post. The way I see it a lot of Adventist's have made some pretty bad choices of justifying all wrongs. I am just sick of this mess. Many will be lost because of DS whether you think so or not. I tend to look at all sympathizers. It is not heresay what he has done on his own. It happened and all can see but the ones who choose to cover..so let them cover. I do not believe that God needs or uses the devil to get his message across and that is point blank for what ever you think I am.  The Lord will soon bring home justice just like what is happening in the political scene at this moment. Do you realize what is happening right now when the two religions protestant and catholics come to gether what might be the next step. Whoooah, I don't think there is no stopping it now.

Today I felt like picking up arms myself as I was in a store and as I peered over into woman's clothing and saw( berk ca)  ? wraps for woman!!!! I came out realizing just how far into this we are or is it the enemy within....yes I believe so. Am I rattled ?....yes this is rattling times that are here. DS is a drop in the bucket with all the scum on top sliding in. There is Gods rules and no justifications of our own justifications of facts of actions.

[Artiste]

Yes, Ariste, that is for sure.  You all are mistaken...

Glad you're all-knowing, princess di...

[childoftheking]

Yes, Ariste, that is for sure.  You all are mistaken in believing that 4ABN is sole run on the power of Danny. it is not.  Name one time in the Bible where god punished the people for the sins of their leaders.  Moses stuck the rock and did not get to enter into the Promised Land, but the people still got the water and to enter into the Promised Land.  David's house was sucrsed and Absalom gave him major grief for not being the father he should have been, but Israel, which David ruled was still blessed, they still defeated the foes, etc.  God's plan to reach his children still goes on and is not dependent upon the nonexistent infallibility of any man.  NO-THING Danny does can cause God to change his mind about His truth reaching His Children.  Why would be believe that God didn't know Danny was imperfect or know each and every one of sins when he allowed him to establish 3ABN?  God was and is not surprised by Danny's transgressions.

YES!!!!!  3ABN is till a pwerful tool in soul winning for God, lest we believe that Danny's sins are more powerful than God!

Princessdi: How about the Egyptian firstborns dying because of Pharaoh's refusal to let the Israelites go? How about 1 Kings 18:18? No rain because Ahab and Jezebel led the people into sin What about 1 Chronicles 21? This is one where the people were punished for a leader's sin. The people died because David angered the Lord by numbering Israel. They did nothing. It was David alone who caused it.

[princessdi]

True enough COTK.  However, in the end God called David a man after his own heart, and He never took David "out of office" so to speak.  I am not saying there were no consequences, just that God still chose to use David...as king.  God is still using 3ABN...in spite of Danny's transgressions, that is my only point. Not to justify anyone's wrong doings.  As you see, David paid some severe consequences for his actions.

Let's bring this even closer to home.......how many here believe they are serving and being used by God?   Now, how many of us are sin free, perfect?  How many here believe that God will withold salvation from another one His children because we messed up? Let;s face it people 3ABN is not a multi media symbol/embodiment of Danny's transgressions.  It is still a live and thriving ministry(for those who find it appealing, sorry it never did even want to reach my.......let's say demographic, but I digress).  I don't believe that God has trashed 3ABN because of Danny's sins, no more than He trashed Adam, Eve, and the whole of earthly creation because of theirs.  I know that we all here believe that Jesus gave up the Great Commission upon His acension.  We have messed up so many times along the way, but God has still not trashed His Plan because our execution is not only not perfect, but more often than not seriously flawed.

So once agian, in plain English....I am NOT excusing anyone's bad behavior, just saying that we can plainly see that God uses us, David, Danny, in spite of it.  There is a song that say, "He looked beyond my faults and saw my needs".  I am just crazy enough to believe that.

Yes, Ariste, that is for sure.  You all are mistaken in believing that 4ABN is sole run on the power of Danny. it is not.  Name one time in the Bible where god punished the people for the sins of their leaders.  Moses stuck the rock and did not get to enter into the Promised Land, but the people still got the water and to enter into the Promised Land.  David's house was sucrsed and Absalom gave him major grief for not being the father he should have been, but Israel, which David ruled was still blessed, they still defeated the foes, etc.  God's plan to reach his children still goes on and is not dependent upon the nonexistent infallibility of any man.  NO-THING Danny does can cause God to change his mind about His truth reaching His Children.  Why would be believe that God didn't know Danny was imperfect or know each and every one of sins when he allowed him to establish 3ABN?  God was and is not surprised by Danny's transgressions.

YES!!!!!  3ABN is till a pwerful tool in soul winning for God, lest we believe that Danny's sins are more powerful than God!

Princessdi: How about the Egyptian firstborns dying because of Pharaoh's refusal to let the Israelites go? How about 1 Kings 18:18? No rain because Ahab and Jezebel led the people into sin What about 1 Chronicles 21? This is one where the people were punished for a leader's sin. The people died because David angered the Lord by numbering Israel. They did nothing. It was David alone who caused it.

[childoftheking]

I believe it was Bill Cosby who used to say jokingly "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it." If Danny (and others) brought 3ABN into being, I don't think God will intervene forever if the actions of the "founder" bring it down. It sure has been hurt financially even though it is still in existance. Maybe it has recovered financially but there is no question that it would have more money to work with if that money hadn't gone for the book deals and for lawsuits. I believe that one of the reasons it is still functional is because they got on Dish network and because internet broadcasting is cheaper than satellite broadcasting. Sure God will use whoever is willing to be used.

But are you saying that God continued to use the Jewish leaders to take his message to the world after they crucified the messiah and stoned Steven? Is that who He is using today to spread the message of salvation to the world?

We are all sinners. Nobody is perfect. I agree. And God can use whoever He wants to. I'm sure even Judas was a blessing to somebody. Maybe God used him as he worked along with the other disciples but he had his hand in the till.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Seeing as they have an entire audience that knows absolutey nothing about Linda, and they felt nothing about trying thier best to erase here "mark" from 3ABN , I don't put anything passed them.

Now, I heard a lot of good things about Pastor Gilley, and he should not allow it, but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.  Howver, seeing as Danny sees nothing wrong this long withportraying himself as sole founder, and that is a lie, not holding out much hope for the truth to be displayed over the next year of "celebration".......without some serious divine intervention.  These people have been living with lies for almost 5 years now without any apparent remorse.

Or maybe God is just not passing down His judgement - yet.  And how can they have a year long celebration for 25 years and not have any mention of the blood, sweat and tears LS gave in helping to build it the first 20?  Information and facts left out, even for a "celebration" make the celebration a lie in my opinion.

HERE,HERE, but even the Lord God has His limits...at what point does their cup "runneth over?" Only the Good Lord knows, but every cup has its limit!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy