Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Gregory]

On November 4, 2009,Tinka said:

         Re: Denied, denied, denied, denied, & denied.
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2009, 05:40:08 PM »    Quote

________________________________________
Tell ya what Sam,
I will not be watching 3abn and their hussy looking women. and to tell you the truth the more I see of Hope channel the more Catholism I see. Why are they running Catholic programming? Footsteps of Paul for one. and family reunion I just call the Gaither copycat. In fact Gaither are more modestly dressed. Carry on with all your contempory charasmatic movement, apeasing the public and crowd.  It will fall when the end comes. Oh yes, the SDA is a joiner with all religions, that is the new trend.

The Program "In the Footsteps of Paul" is produced by Tony Moore, formerly the Evangelism Director of "It is Written."

It is recommended by:
Mark Finley who said: "This series presents the living Christ in a highly attractive, compelling way.  I highly recommend it."

William H. Shea, who said:  "I strongly recommend this series to anyone who wants to know more about the life and work of the Apostle Paul."

N.C. Wilson, who said: "This is a powerful 21st century approach to presenting the wonderful Advent message."

You will note that all of the above are conservative SDAs.  I hardly think that any of them can be said to promote the Roman Catholic system of belief and practice.  The background of this series is clearly Seventh-day  Adventist, not Roman Catholic.

[tinka]

So your stating that the Catholic programming is using SDA material on their programming?  I haven't watched it for so long now that I don't remember the name of the man that presents it and I do not think his name is Tony. also I am not sure of anything anymore coming from our leadership that is right in the middle of the 3abn mess.  Guess I could put the programming in search and try to run it down that way. But that is not the only programming that SDA's are using that are on both programmings. I just know it is being used on both SDA and Catholic. So why are they selling time slots to the Catholics like PrincessDi states?

I appreciate your comments if that is the truth and will now try to see where it orginates too.

[Gregory]

Tinka said:

I haven't watched it for so long now that I don't remember the name of the man that presents it and I do not think his name is Tony. also I am not sure of anything anymore coming from our leadership that is right in the middle of the 3abn mess.  

The "In the Footsteps of Paul" series is a set of 20 programs each of which run from 28 minutes and 30 econds in length to 36 minutes and 45 seconds in length.  It is accompanied by a set of 20 Bible study guides, which tie the video to the Biblical record.  In the Lesson One, "Note From the Author," Tony Moore states: "This series is dedicated to two men who shaped and inspired my sense of exploration and learning.  To Pastor O. J. Mills, for encouraging me to have a love for a deeper study of Scripture.  And to Dr. William Shea for opening doors to the incredible world of the past and guiding me in my understanding of it."  NOTE: The copyright date for this series is 2004.

I assume that you will recognize the two people listed above as conservative SDAs.

[Gregory]

At the time the above sereis was produced, Moore was planning the following series:

Amazing Discoveries in Bibical Archeology
In the Footsteps of Jesus
The World of the Patriarchs
The Amazing World of the Apocalypse

[Gregory]

FYI:

The series: "In the Footsteps of Jesus" is in the final stages of production.  It will run 28 individual episodes, each of about 30 minutes in length.  It has cost $420,000 to produce and is expected to be released before the end of December.  In producing this series, Moore spent five (5) months living in the areas where Jesus served and filming the series.

The series, "In the Footsteps of Paul" has been well recieved and has been broadcast on a number of television stations and networks.  It is available for sale in an evangelism kit which can be used by churches and homes in small group settings for $259.00.  Those who wish to use it in evangelism may purchase the study guides seperately from the DVDs.

NOTE: I personally own the DVDs and a copy of the study guides (The Paul series.) due to the fact that a friend gave me a set as a gift.

[mfc10]

Thanks, Gregory!    I came to the same conclusion by researching the program a little further.
Maggie

[tinka]

What I could gather in first searching is that a man by the name of Ken Duncan put all the pictures together to be produced in a book and by others that put the scripture to it. I still cannot understand why I saw it all on Etwn way before I saw it on 3abn. Now is that narrator that tells the story Tony?  Because when we watched it this man was supposidly Catholic. Is Tony just a director of someone else's work.

Also what I am sorta getting is that this was produced by Catholics in the beginning to portray the similarity of the "In the footsteps of Paul" bring out the similiarty of pope Paul and show to be God on earth. Of course this is a bunch of stuff I just ran across finding who was the orginator. Some how I just don't understand that maybe this is not the same one.  If it is the same one I am talking about the narrator is seen throughout the program and talks throughout also. 

[Bob Pickle]

I think Tony Moore at one point was the pastor at the Norwalk Seventh-day Adventist Church.

[Murcielago]

Tinka, there are a variety of programs on TV that deal with Paul. You may have seen another one. The Adventist "Walking in the Footsteps of Paul" is completely Adventist in all ways. In spite of the rumours, Hope Channel is Adventist.

There are wild-eyed exstremist elements on both sides. There are those who feel that everything SDA should be thrown out, and there are those who think that the church should never advance past the turn of the 20th century in matters of style, food, drink, science, etc.

[tinka]

George,
No that is not me as I realize that advancing in future we have to enter with all reasonable visibility to situations that are not in the past. we have to use reason in all things but we cannot give up guidlines that were presented to justify our own liberal inclinations of our own will and wants.

We were warned of all this change but God's rules and Bible examples never do. I just do not think that Mrs. White would have ever expected it to last this long but she saw that the SDA's would go along with the "change" even to finally do away with the Sabbath. 

Guess I am going to have to take the time and go back and see if EWTN still runs what we watched on "In the footsteps of Paul". My husband said what we watched is directly Catholic also. If I get the narrators name that should solve the mix up. But we thought it was interesting but their theme is presenting also pope paul in similarities. Yet we watched the same program on Hope and could not figure out what was happening until Di claimed they sold time slots.

[Gregory]

O.K.  Now maybe we are getting some resolution.

This is Ken  Duncan:

Ken Duncan is well known internationally as Australia’s premier panoramic landscape photographer. Ever the trend-setter and still the market leader, Ken is deeply committed to researching and developing the latest and best technology to display his award winning Panographs in homes and offices right around the world. With every new release of Limited Edition Prints he delights long-time collectors and new fans alike with his own inimitable style of landscape photography.

Ken Duncan is a very religious man who publishes his photojournalism in books.  [NOTE: While he may do such in video, I am not awarae of it.]  In March of 2009, his latest book IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF PAUL came off of the press.  An earlier book, WHERE JESUS WALKED was published in 2006.  He has published other photo journalism books with a clear religious theme.

The video series that I reference was published in 2004.  It is clearly Seventh-day Adventist.

I do not know if Duncan is Roman Catholic.  I do not know if HOPE TV ran some of Duncan's photos.  If some would object to a SDA media organization purblishing photos taken by a Roman Catholic, so be it.  Each of us is entitled to our opinion.
 

[Gregory]

This is the best that I have been able to discover in regard to Ken Duncan's religioius beliefs:

Ken Duncan is a Christian fundamentalist and a creationist.[8] Through his photography he sees himself as an interpreter of God's creation,[9] and the vision statement of his company is "To show the beauty of God's creation."

This does not sound like a Roman Catholic to me.

But, again, if one wants to reject his work on the basis that he may not be SDA, so be it.  Each is entitled to their own opinoin.

For the purpose of this discussion, let is say that Duncan is a devout Roman Catholic.  [NOTE: I do not know that he is such.]  If so, it appears that he has as a major purpose in his life to preseent God as the creator of the Earth.  It appears that he has been gifted in his ability to reach people with this message in a powerful mannaer.  Under such circumstances, why should SDAs refuse to use his work that promotes a Biblical view of God as the Creator of the Earth?   So, what if he does not understand the State of the Dead, the Sanctuary and the Sabbth?  Can we not accept the idea that the Holy Spirit may be using him to promote a Biblical view of God as creator?  Can we no leave the rest to the Lord to lead Duncan in his spiritual journey? Do we have to criticize a person who may (?) be Roman Catholic and has stepped beyond the boundaries of his faith to proclaim what he beleives to be the Biblical truth in regard to creation?
 

[tinka]

Gregory,

Really, really appreciate your search on this and added info. This helps alot to see the background in all this. Was not sure what we were watching and for what cause. No my husband and I both thought the photo's and all was good until we read elsewhere it was promoting the Bibical Paul with pope paul. They were trying to draw lines of similiarities that in symbolism could now be the pope's footsteps following the same. Just a screwed up version of using it on Etwn maybe. But then must have saw some version on 3abn that looked like same.

I still can only just watch some of Hope like just the preaching parts and the ones I know. I do get upset with the liberal change in music and dress and sloppyness of now SDA's and their sagas. Why is it that I do not relate to this  laxiness as being christian? I don't know but that part I cannot seem to shake away.

I always was taught to do your best and think and dress the best you can as we are always in the presence of the Lord  (as Christians) If we have moments of laxiness do it in your own room not on National and International tv. One thing for sure is Hope channel permits it and SDA's produce it.
Thank you again Gregory,

[Gregory]

Tinka:

I appreciate your comments.

We are now moving into an area where I do not want to get into an extended discussion--I will leave this for others.  So, this is probably the last post that I will make on this area.  Let me ask a coouple of questions for you to consider:

1) To what extent to we as a church take people into our membership who are on a spiritual journey and have not yet reached perfection?

2) In the public proclaimation of our message, to what extent do we present our members as they actually are as opposed to presenting them in a manner that they are not?

3) When we get into the issue of dress and adornment, to what extent are our standards determined by the Bible and of world-wide application as opposed to what extent are they determined locally in connection with our culture?

Coments:

1) I have lived in foreign countries.  The standards of the SDA chruch, in regard to dress and adornment, appear to me to differ from country and to have a cultural element.

2) EGW clearly wore more jewelry during her life-time than most people are aware of.  In one of the best known photos of her she was actually wearing a piece of jewelry.  However, in the standard printing of that photo, the jewelry has been air-brushed out so she appears not to be wearing what she was wearing.  Woule EGW meet the standards to belong to your church today due to the jewelry that she wore?

Well, it is unlikely that I will further respond to this thread.

[Cindy]

Gregory,

Really, really appreciate your search on this and added info. This helps alot to see the background in all this. Was not sure what we were watching and for what cause. No my husband and I both thought the photo's and all was good until we read elsewhere it was promoting the Bibical Paul with pope paul. They were trying to draw lines of similiarities that in symbolism could now be the pope's footsteps following the same. Just a screwed up version of using it on Etwn maybe. But then must have saw some version on 3abn that looked like same.

This is the same kind of assuming and jumping to false conclusions and then announcing it as fact ( You originally wrote: "to tell you the truth the more I see of Hope channel the more Catholism I see. Why are they running Catholic programming? Footsteps of Paul for one." and going into endless discussions about it that is done way too often here in everything 3abn, when it is really not all that difficult to find out the truth before speaking and making false statements.


I did a search of EWTN programming and found out the following.

 There  was a tour of Greece, Syria, Malta etc by Pope John Paul II called " In the footsteps of St Paul" EWTN did coverage and  specials on it... http://www.ewtn.com/footsteps/coverage.htm  Since then one of the religious pilgrimage tours EWTN promotes and has had specials on is called "Footsteps of Apostle Paul" . You may book one here:http://www.danthetravelman.com/ewtn-travel/ewtn-pilgrimage-april-2010.html (check out the sidebar)

Mystery solved?

Have a good one...