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[princessdi]

Sorry!  did I? Oh my. My old brain.....forgive me please.  Hehehe!  That should have been 3ABN Defencder, I believe........

Uh, Bob, it might be time for you all to give this one up.  Why are you asking Ian and Duane to clarify the judges decision?  He is quite clear, however, you should consult him on any questions you have regarding his judgement.  Ian and Duane are only "quoting" the decision.  it is not their place to explain the judges decision.  I usually have to take it slow in reading legal documents, but this one was quite clear.

I believe Tinka is right, and the time for the earthly courts is over.  At this point, we just to have faith that God knows best and it will al work out according to His will.  Just remember, you still might not like His decision either...afterall... His is allowing this to unfold as it is, and so far, He seems to agree with the earthly judge........that is until we hear or see something else.

Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else. 

[ex3abnemployee]

Sorry!  did I? Oh my. My old brain.....forgive me please.  Hehehe!  That should have been 3ABN Defencder, I believe........

Uh, Bob, it might be time for you all to give this one up.  Why are you asking Ian and Duane to clarify the judges decision?  He is quite clear, however, you should consult him on any questions you have regarding his judgement.  Ian and Duane are only "quoting" the decision.  it is not their place to explain the judges decision.  I usually have to take it slow in reading legal documents, but this one was quite clear.

I believe Tinka is right, and the time for the earthly courts is over.  At this point, we just to have faith that God knows best and it will al work out according to His will.  Just remember, you still might not like His decision either...afterall... His is allowing this to unfold as it is, and so far, He seems to agree with the earthly judge........that is until we hear or see something else.

Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else. 

LOL No problem, but I assure you I am NOT 3ABN Defender. 

[princessdi]

And as well as I knew t hat, it never crossed my mind as I was typing.........just sad, isn't it?

LOL No problem, but I assure you I am NOT 3ABN Defender.  

[princessdi]

Well, now Bob, I see now motivation for Danny to talk to you about anything, especially since he hasn't said anything to this point.  Everyone knows you all still have the documents, and they don't seem to care.  Especially with the jusge only saying that you should have returned them by now, without really ordering you to do so.

[princessdi]

Then Tinka, all the more reason the let it go.  They have only one court system here in the US to which they can appeal, the same one that yielded this most complete denial. 

Princessdi,
What Bob is doing is showing the inadequacies of how the judges can twist and use their ego authorities to lean how ever they want.
I do not blame him one bit. I have done the whole thing my self on all the injustice of our case on a huge web site for all to see what state, federal and huge national organization did.  In fact many other people's cases are out there that have suffered fraudulent agendas lobbists of political offices. and you know what these big guys cannot do one thing about our web site as they take their blows inch by inch as the truth prevails. In fact it is quite funny to watch now our stat counter at the culprits frantically go from one link to the next and then their buddies pick up where we know they are at.  Their own documents from day one with all their signitures and their fraudlent schemes are all out there for all to see. I left a place for the feedback and not one negitive thing has come because they are in a place of "can't do a thing about the truth".  Now we will be working on the twisted Court of Appeals (opinion) sentence by corrupt sentence of lies and post that soon too. i keep right on it. This political "money pit government" is not for the people but who will get us into the one world order and in their stupid ignorant way think they will be the messiah of all things. Your Adventist you know what I am talking about and how this will end. DS is just a little scale of his management in money that I see no different.  It's a good con game. One thing for sure Bob and Gailon are not in the shoes and side that DS is on.

First of all, I do not know Bob or Gailon but a very good suggestion of what was against them from the beginning is courts are not susceptable for very intelligent people that are not on the lawyers bar to out show the court and they look down on anyone going into the courts that can show you need not be an attorney to enter what every American has the right to do.  or maybe they are attorneys, I do not know. Just try and enter their ground. I believe Bob and Gailon and knowing the courts with what all we have been through did an emaculate job.  I wish they could have been on our side and our battle because my husband is another to stand in front of 12 senators at a time and speak with out notes until you could hear a pin drop.

It is not that these men lost because of their lack of knowhow, but again this is the time of the end where sin prevails. Some of us are going through it now. We can only fight until the end or God does the knock down. This sort of thing is never of God but he permits some of his best to be used to test others.  Many have been tested by our situation. We have tried to stay strong knowing this could be a possibility that the Lord used us in this manner and also for ourselves to learn the devils folly.

[childoftheking]

Furthermore, to the extent that the materials are subject to the Confidentiality and Protective Order issued by Magistrate Judge Hillman in this matter on April 17, 2008, they should have been returned to plaintiffs some time ago. The motion for leave to file under seal (Docket #173) is therefore DENIED


Only to the extent that the materials are subject to the Confidentiality and Protective Order (see the order.).

[Bob Pickle]

Then Tinka, all the more reason the let it go.  They have only one court system here in the US to which they can appeal, the same one that yielded this most complete denial. 

Sorry for the confusion, Di. The above order was issued by the District Court, not the First Circuit Court of Appeals. We have not appealed the above order at this point.

Even if we had, and even if the above order was issued by the Court of Appeals, there are still possible ways to appeal it further, including to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A careful reader of our submissions would see that there are constitutional issues at stake in some of these decisions which the Supreme Court might find interesting.

[princessdi]

Bob, you can do anything you want, because you are right there are avenues left.  The question is should you proceed.  Just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should do it.  Is this truly the way God is leading you, or are you attempting to lead Him becaue you are agnry and vengneful against Danny.  Are you all going to finally give this situation over to the Only One Who truly has the Authority to judge Danny or continue under your own power relying on the judicial systems of man?

It is not about me and how "careful" I read, Bob.  It is not that deep neither that difficult to understand, believe me.  Is it about you all believing that you have some authoritiy to bring Danny to justice and/or repentance for his sins.  That is what you all need to address within yourselves.

Sorry for the confusion, Di. The above order was issued by the District Court, not the First Circuit Court of Appeals. We have not appealed the above order at this point.

Even if we had, and even if the above order was issued by the Court of Appeals, there are still possible ways to appeal it further, including to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A careful reader of our submissions would see that there are constitutional issues at stake in some of these decisions which the Supreme Court might find interesting.

[tinka]

PrincessDi ,
You might look at this way. If someone was thieving you wouldn't you want someone to have them stop.
You might even take it into your own hands to do something about it.

This is a little larger scale and somebody has to stop the thievery of pew money or the big con game they got going for the ignorant.

There are laws. I don't think you would set back with this solution if someone was taking right out of your hand and having one good time with your assets. I sure am glad we have some laws.

Now I have just enough of a little red neck Annie Oakley in me and their loaded hanging on the wall. Yes, I am an American that believes the rights of the constitution (laugh) to bear arms that is almost out the door. Not much protection left!! It is all because  finally there is no concern for anyone but ourselves.  Think about how they are gettting their money and what they done with it. That should tell you what is right. and with your own eye it shows how they spent it..

You know Di, that is what is happening to the church's also. No one thinks to stand up for what is right and they just go with what suits them now adays.  Not much left there either. morals, believe in a little wine, jewelry, dancing and etc. EGW out the door and Whats cool for Sabbath. Now I watch the evolution theory getting tossed around.  Should we not have any responsibility in nothing but somehow these forefathers and patriarchs sure had it going!

[princessdi]

Actually, I do believe just that, Tinka.  I am not very popular often times at the board meetings because I do just that.  However, once you have called sin by it's name and brought attention to it, there is where your responsibility stops.  There is no use in seeking the resolution to a spiriutal problem in the "worldly"(for lack of a better word) courts?  Most of what you all are accusing Danny of is immoral and unethical, but they are not going to prosecute,or put him in jail) him for it.  The civil courts are not going to make him pay for it.  The government agencies called into the fray, thus far, have come up with the same conclusion.  They don't really see nothing there, but nothing worth any sanctions.  Youhave heard this several times already.  you admit that you dont' really believe they will "do the right thing" as you see it.  Why continue going back to them?

There is s time and season for everything....time to let this one go. 

PrincessDi ,
You might look at this way. If someone was thieving you wouldn't you want someone to have them stop.
You might even take it into your own hands to do something about it.

This is a little larger scale and somebody has to stop the thievery of pew money or the big con game they got going for the ignorant.

There are laws. I don't think you would set back with this solution if someone was taking right out of your hand and having one good time with your assets. I sure am glad we have some laws.

Now I have just enough of a little red neck Annie Oakley in me and their loaded hanging on the wall. Yes, I am an American that believes the rights of the constitution (laugh) to bear arms that is almost out the door. Not much protection left!! It is all because  finally there is no concern for anyone but ourselves.  Think about how they are gettting their money and what they done with it. That should tell you what is right. and with your own eye it shows how they spent it..

You know Di, that is what is happening to the church's also. No one thinks to stand up for what is right and they just go with what suits them now adays.  Not much left there either. morals, believe in a little wine, jewelry, dancing and etc. EGW out the door and Whats cool for Sabbath. Now I watch the evolution theory getting tossed around.  Should we not have any responsibility in nothing but somehow these forefathers and patriarchs sure had it going!

[Johann]

In another thread I have pointed out what is happening in our local Lutheran Church where the pastor seems to be vindicated for accusations against immoral behavior, even by the state supreme court. But even if he is cleared by the secular courts the local church and the bishop will not re-instate him because of the testimony of two teenage girls.

Here we see that the vindication by a secular court does not count.

[childoftheking]

I believe we are called to stand up and call sin by its right name and then take the consequences. The martyrs did it. The abolishionists did it. Jesus did it. All that is necessary for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. If we only speak when we know we will win, what are we to do when the Sunday law is in effect? Keep speaking or fold?

And are we have to pay our tithe and shut up - overlooking known sin and lawbreaking because the church leaders are afraid of the influence an organization has on the work in Russia or on many people in this county? So what if that organization or person gets away with it? May we not speak anyway? We are told that we as a people are to be called to account by heaven for what we allow to go on in our church and yet are we not to be allowed to speak out without fear of being sued? Are we to help cover it up so as not to embarrass anyone?

I can just imagine the number of lawsuits that would have been filed against Sister White for what she had said. I can imagine Jesus in a court of law. Oh, wait, I don't have to imagine. He was tried and he lost his case. Didn't prove he was wrong though.

[Bob Pickle]

Bob, you can do anything you want, because you are right there are avenues left.  The question is should you proceed.  Just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should do it.  Is this truly the way God is leading you, or are you attempting to lead Him becaue you are agnry and vengneful against Danny.  Are you all going to finally give this situation over to the Only One Who truly has the Authority to judge Danny or continue under your own power relying on the judicial systems of man?

It is not about me and how "careful" I read, Bob.  It is not that deep neither that difficult to understand, believe me.  Is it about you all believing that you have some authoritiy to bring Danny to justice and/or repentance for his sins.  That is what you all need to address within yourselves.

Laying all that aside, the litigation still doesn't end. That's not what all of this is about at the moment. It's about whether Danny should be allowed legally to sue me over the very same issues, whether I should be muzzled about the contents of documents that never should have been designated confidential, and Simpson's threat to drag me back into court after the case was already dismissed.

If they want to continue their harassment and threats, then they are the ones who don't want it to end.

[ex3abnemployee]

In another thread I have pointed out what is happening in our local Lutheran Church where the pastor seems to be vindicated for accusations against immoral behavior, even by the state supreme court. But even if he is cleared by the secular courts the local church and the bishop will not re-instate him because of the testimony of two teenage girls.

Here we see that the vindication by a secular court does not count.

Very good, Johann. That is also relevant to another situation which I happen to be very familiar with.

[princessdi]

...and he was threatening to drag you back into court because.........?