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[Daryl Fawcett]

Snoopy,

Don't bother going to what you refer to as that smut site, which has revealed to me how biased it really is, as you would only be wasting your time there, as I finally learned.   That is what I get for trying to be open and unbiased.

Oh yes, I also owe you an apology for my past reaction to you for calling that site a smut site, as I finally experienced that for myself.

[tinka]

Sorry, Was not trying to shout with large letter in the whole post. Many times I just emphasis words and capitalize for recognization.  Learned to do that in helping out a friend in writing some political books. Will definitely try to remember. some times I just hit the cap and keep going and don't even spell check like I should because the older I get it seems my fingers do just oposite. and I usually do everything in a hurry. So will be more careful.

[tinka]

Tinka try very hard to comprehend this. There were no court rules involved, nor disregarded. It is perfectly legal to order and pay for and use a home DNA test which is what Dr Day chose to do and did. No Id's or fingerprints are required. You can do it where ever you choose, and they did.


How dense can anyone get? That is the problem stated over and over by many on here. Your statement of "There were no court rules involved nor disregarded."

The mistake, the bad move, the hind site toooo late, the unsuspecting skill of deceitful knowledge to go ahead with wrong Rules that can only be proven on what one wants to prove however the outcome they want.

The court rules were not followed for 100% validity. It was a trick, possible trick, who knows, and still does not prove anything in a court of law. Now if the 100% for sure with no doubt, it would have to be taken over under witnesses, fingerprints, passports, documents signed etc.etc. that did not happen in this case. That is the proof that people asked for. That is the picture of Dr. Day not being enough street wise or lawyer wise  for the outcome of this. Not everyone looks for the evil end and how to rig.

  It makes no difference to me other then feel sorry for the poor child. Hmm, wonder where she is an if she herself will ever know for sure who her father is. Pretty "wild" woman in my opinion.
I believe I can definitely speculate you still do not understand as you continue to wipe out the facts to suit your taste.

[Johann]

Sorry, Was not trying to shout with large letter in the whole post. Many times I just emphasis words and capitalize for recognization.  Learned to do that in helping out a friend in writing some political books. Will definitely try to remember. some times I just hit the cap and keep going and don't even spell check like I should because the older I get it seems my fingers do just oposite. and I usually do everything in a hurry. So will be more careful.

Good idea, tinka!

[Bob Pickle]

And the fact is not even the Church of God that he pastored in Virginia has any statements from any alleged victims to go on.

Mighty strange of you to make such an assertion, Tommy_Defender. Mighty strange.

It's only been since July 2008 that just such a statement has been available on PACER. It's Doc. #81-11, pp. 8-9. See those pages at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-81-11.pdf.

Read the answer to question #3 where that individual wrote, "He tried to perform oral sex on me ...." (Duane told me he wasn't surprised by this.) I won't quote the rest. You can read it for yourself.

Questions:

The document you filed in court, claiming that TS wanted but didn't preform oral sex etc ( makes you feel kinda hot and squirmy doesn't it?) was it filed anywhere else? Where? Does the church of God in VA have it?

Looks to me like Dryden gave the statement to the Church Advisory Board on January 17, 2007, a statement mailed to him on January 16.

I don't know where else it was filed. Are you going to file it anywhere?

[ex3abnemployee]

OJ is a strawman and has nothing to do with TS or 3abn.

First of all Grat, TS was a Pastor of the Church of God and married, he was dead wrong having a relationship with a church member. He has repented of that sin, he has been in counselling for it, and he is no longer a pastor. He apologized to Duane, took all the blame on himself,  and tried to make it up to Duane Clem, and encourage him too to get help also, but there is a letter which Duane Clem sent him saying that he had never hurt him and there was nothing to forgive. To this day Duane Clem denies he needs any help. It was Duane Clem who tried to initiate contact with TS again and it was TS who told him they could never be alone together again because of the past, but said that he and his wife would meet together with Duane and talk to him and try to help in whatever way they could.  Duane did not want that.


Second of all, Duane Clem was an adult who entered into a wrong relationship and met TS and drove himself to those meetings on his own. He in his letter to Bob Pickle claims it was TS who broke off the relationship saying it was wrong. He also says TS accused him repeatedly of "faking it" and that once TS realized he didn't want the relationship he stopped. This to me suggest that the adult Duane Clem did not ever say "NO", or tell TS that he did not want anything to happen between them, and if he had it never would have occurred. So it is debatable wither the relationship was an abusive or consentual one. Duane Clem is a very large man, in heighth and weight, and TS is a very small man who is dwarfed by the man he is accused of molesting. For those who have seen and met both and know the characters of each the whole rape molestation story is utterly unbelievable.

 In any case it was not a case of Pedophilia and that is the accusation which has been made against TS and what 3abn and DS have been accused of covering up over and over again.

The other brother has problems, and I don't mean that unkindly, yes he made angry accusations , but what are they specifically? Do you know? I don't. TS has never admitted to doing anything with him in the letter you refer to or otherwise, and even his own brother Duane in reply to Bob Pickle's questions about that said he could not comment as he would get in trouble with both sides no matter what he said.

Now ask yourself this Grat. If Duane said that yes his brother told the truth, certainly that would cause TS to be upset, but as he was already accusing TS it is all the same, and why would that get him in trouble with his brother? If he said no it wasn't true, obviously that would cause a problem with his brother. And why has his brother never filed a complaint as he threatened to. He said he could due to his current age and having checked into recent changes in the law. That brother has never even written out what he is claiming even occurred so there is nothing to check, investigate, confirm or deny.

Without charges, or facts to back anything up, and with no investigation nor trial, how can you accept what he claims and believe TS is guity?

The truth is their mother was among the most staunch defenders of TS. And the fact is not even the Church of God that he pastored in Virginia has any statements from any alleged victims to go on. Only claims by Pastor Dryden that they have decided can not be accepted as anything but hearsay without those statements.

I really am sick of the witch hunt here. If any accusing TS really wanted to see justice done, they would see to it that papers and statements were filed. Even if the statute of limitations has run out, the counties involved would still have a record to use in case it ever came up again. But nothing has been reported nor filed, yet there are so many yelling guilty and accusing others of covering up sexual crimes and defending a pedophile.

That's all I have to say about this matter Grat.

Now let me tell you what I am sick of. It's people like you who are too big a coward to sign their name to a post like this. Your little dissertation here is full of half truths and outright fabrications. I'm not getting specific about anything until you identify yourself. So, the way I see it, you have two choices: Come clean about who you are and we'll discuss specifics, or remain behind your screen name, and thus remain branded a coward and liar. The ball is in your court.

Only the formatting was adjusted by me. - Johann

[Johann]

Snoopy,

Don't bother going to what you refer to as that smut site, which has revealed to me how biased it really is, as you would only be wasting your time there, as I finally learned.   That is what I get for trying to be open and unbiased.

Oh yes, I also owe you an apology for my past reaction to you for calling that site a smut site, as I finally experienced that for myself.

Revelation 2:2 I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

[Johann]

Now let me tell you what I am sick of. It's people like you who are too big a coward to sign their name to a post like this. Your little dissertation here is full of half truths and outright fabrications. I'm not getting specific about anything until you identify yourself. So, the way I see it, you have two choices: Come clean about who you are and we'll discuss specifics, or remain behind your screen name, and thus remain branded a coward and liar. The ball is in your court.

"Oh, for the time when I shall sleep
Without identity."
                                       - Brontë

[Snoopy]

Thank you, Daryl.  I appreciate and willingly accept your apology.  I was horrified at the garbage posted about you there.  And then our friend ...ian went on her little diatribe trying to justify the posts she allows to remain.

I am sorry that you had to experience their toxicity first hand, but I am relieved that you can see why I reacted as I did when they did it to me.

I wish you blessings and happiness, and the ability to ignore those who choose to play in the devil's sandbox.

Most sincerely,

Snoopy

Snoopy,

Don't bother going to what you refer to as that smut site, which has revealed to me how biased it really is, as you would only be wasting your time there, as I finally learned.   That is what I get for trying to be open and unbiased.

Oh yes, I also owe you an apology for my past reaction to you for calling that site a smut site, as I finally experienced that for myself.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Obviously, Danny is not the stupid one here. I can tell you from a mans point of view that he exhibits (Danny) all the signs of a man in midlife crisis. Princess, you conclude Brandy left because of all the pressure, but you cannot conclude that a man who reports to be so in love with his wife can do the things Danny did to Her, I think not. As far as Brandy goes she is not a stupid lady, she well knew Danny's situation from the start since it is common knowledge in Adventist circles. The outcome now was evident long before this point, I already knew that the roosters would come home to roost; I do not blame the people here for their breakup I blame SIN. I am not a professional but the people that are around Danny should have had a spiritual enough eye to discern the outcome and should have acted accordingly. I blame the suppose friends and Spiritual leaders for Danny, who did not have the guts to either leave or ask him to step down until things were worked out. Danny should have never been allowed to continue on if this work was really Gods work with the intent of mending broken people.

I realize I am months behind on these topics but felt compelled to clarify that there was at least one STALWART IN THE FAITH that directly and forthrightly took Danny Lee Shelton to task for the VERY INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP (readily admitted by Brandy to this modern day Nathan) and warned that the ministry would suffer at the hands of this outrageous quasi-public indiscretion. That messenger was rewarded with a very speedy removal from all duties and sent packing (a volunteer, by the way)...after all, it beat confession, pleas for forgiveness and the required reformation for this "un-anointed one" and violator of the very ten commandments he publicly supports and privately rejects as not applicable to the "un-anointed". Is that "once saved, always saved" of simply pure hypocrisy!!! Whichever, it is Danny Lee Shelton!!! And I still see no evidence of reformation for this
fraudulent hypocrisy!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

With another divorce on the way to happening, when are the powers that be, if they really exist, going to wake up and realize that they have a liability that needs to be unloaded, rather than kept to their own hurt?

These are the virgins that failed to even show up with the lamps, let alone any oil!!! In any event, there is no question they stood at the door and knocked and the bridegroom CLEARLY DID NOT KNOW THEM...in fact, they are so far out in the dark, they don't even seem to know one another!!!

One must assume that sooner or later the Lord will resolve this hypricisy and it will not be pretty!!! It is just unfortunate that this ministry cannot invoke all the power that God has to offer...c'est la vie!!! let us hope that the Lord has an end game that preserves this ministry for a more worthy administration and to fulfill it's highest and best purposes.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Murcielago]

Can any organization of humans be the unerring voice of God? Can any human be God's unerring voice to the world? Can any human truly represent God?

[Wendall]

With this information, as well as other information  I wonder how many people have actually requested to 3abn for Danny to be removed from the board, etc. Most likely not very many. 

[princessdi]

Well, George, there was only One in the Bible.  Do we believe we can measure up to Him?

Can any organization of humans be the unerring voice of God? Can any human be God's unerring voice to the world? Can any human truly represent God?

[Murcielago]

Lol! I was going to fix the formatting on your quote, Princess, but I think I only made it worse.

And no.