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[christian]

Tinka,

 Huh, you don't know what you are talking about, you voted for Bush and you are the one that is causing all the trouble. Tinka, Michelle is three times the lady you are and you know it. It is under the Obama's that we will have the message spread to all the world and then after that you will vote in someone that thinks like you do and the end will come and total corruptions will come to pass. You will vote in another person like the queen, refine in the public but un-refine behind close doors. And whatever articles you are reading are simply feeding in to your total corruption of thought. Michelle Obama is almost six feet tall and beautiful and half your age, but your total corruption has started.

And you keep talking about the letter you posted from your educated Uncle Tom. When in fact millions of educated Black men and women voted for Obama but you have not posted their letters.

[tinka]

Sabastian,

You need to get to your mosque 3 times a day and get down. You are obsessed with the  6' x 4' footer you can't get too or have, . Wow, you got it bad!  I now realize what you must look like

[Murcielago]

It is under the Obama's that we will have the message spread to all the world and then after that you will vote in someone that thinks like you do and the end will come and total corruptions will come to pass.

Amen! For the Lord hath spoken unto us through his servants the prophets and shewn us what shall come to pass. Hearken all ye that dwell upon the earth and know ye that unto two thousand and nine days and then shall the image to the beast be led by he who shall take the message of the remnant even unto the whole world, and the total corruptions shall come to pass, and then shall the end come. And by this ye shall know him, that unto him shall be given for wife an woman of great height. So let it be written, so let it be done.

(Lol! Sorry, Christian, I couldn't help it. The prophecy was a good flair.)

[christian]

It is under the Obama's that we will have the message spread to all the world and then after that you will vote in someone that thinks like you do and the end will come and total corruptions will come to pass.

Amen! For the Lord hath spoken unto us through his servants the prophets and shewn us what shall come to pass. Hearken all ye that dwell upon the earth and know ye that unto two thousand and nine days and then shall the image to the beast be led by he who shall take the message of the remnant even unto the whole world, and the total corruptions shall come to pass, and then shall the end come. And by this ye shall know him, that unto him shall be given for wife an woman of great height. So let it be written, so let it be done.

(Lol! Sorry, Christian, I couldn't help it. The prophecy was a good flair.)

ROFLOL Actually I was laughing when I wrote it but I figured if Tinka can post outrageous things so can I. George, I agree with you I believe he is like any other president , however I believe he is sincere and probably will be one of the better one when history is recorded.  As for Michelle Obama by presidential standards she is one of the prettiest.

[tinka]

Sabastian,
You only have words that play both sides for recognition. I am yankee enough to admit voting for Bush but with regrets. But on the other hand you had idiocy to vote for. Gore is smart enough to lead the idiots to drink green tea with the communists agenda and make 100 million dollars.
Obama drinks green tea as it works for the college professors and stupid followers that swallow it too. "Who ever controls the land controls the people".  

[tinka]

and Geeorge,
aren't you afraid of adding or taking away scripture for those who might take this serious and don't know the difference??

See many cannot tell the difference from right or wrong on this DS saga. You got even wine bibblers on here 

[christian]

Sabastian,
You only have words that play both sides for recognition. I am yankee enough to admit voting for Bush but with regrets. But on the other hand you had idiocy to vote for. Gore is smart enough to lead the idiots to drink green tea with the communists agenda and make 100 million dollars.
Obama drinks green tea as it works for the college professors and stupid followers that swallow it too. "Who ever controls the land controls the people".  

Who is Sabastian? Anyway, in case you are referring to me, I did not vote for Gore. And obviously if you voted for Bush you are not fit to give any advice on anything. People like you have screw the entire country up. Michelle Obama the beautiful first lady attended Harvard University, therefore she is smarter than you and prettier. And now your corruption is finally coming out, you are not really a Yankee girl, but rather a southern infiltrator. Now since you voted for Bush both times tell me why we should listen to anything you say. You more than any has caused much of the corruption that we experience now.

[tinka]

You aint seen nothing yet from your vote. and you do not know what I look like so therefore you talk out your hat continually. But I do know what you look like It is more then obvious. Your subconcience drools out your lips.

[Murcielago]

Just an observation here - In debate, attacks on the person (ad hominem) come when one has no more substance with which to debate the points. I am going to suggest that dealing with the issues without engaging in personal attack will provide a conversation in which each person's points can be respected even when there is disagreement. The personal attacks diminish the credibility of all points.

[Bob Pickle]

George is right in pointing out the need to avoid such attacks.

[christian]

Just an observation here - In debate, attacks on the person (ad hominem) come when one has no more substance with which to debate the points. I am going to suggest that dealing with the issues without engaging in personal attack will provide a conversation in which each person's points can be respected even when there is disagreement. The personal attacks diminish the credibility of all points.

Point well taken, so I will continue on simply stating the facts and letting them fall where they may. It is obvious that the beginning of the corruption started in the Bush era primarily driven by those who voted for Bush, not once but twice. It is obvious to those with a discerning eye that Obama inherited a mess when he took office; but I guess he knew that but was willing to sacrifice for his country anyway. ----luckily we got a two for one deal in that we got Michelle Obama also, who is a very well educated woman. I would say that she and Hillary have been some of the most influential first ladies in office. -----It will be very difficult for Obama to stop the corruption that has already begun by those who voted in corruption. We, the United States, has suffered 9/11 and two wars since George Bush Jr was in office and it is evident that corruption took on a new form during that time. I still cannot figure out how the third building fell on 9/11 or how the main identified mastermines passport was found in the wreckage unscathed. ---Fortunately we have Obama the anti-corruption president and his very beautiful first lady in office. Surely we will see and subsiding of the corruption that has taken place because of those with religious zeal misplaced that voted him into office.

[Murcielago]

Just an observation here - In debate, attacks on the person (ad hominem) come when one has no more substance with which to debate the points. I am going to suggest that dealing with the issues without engaging in personal attack will provide a conversation in which each person's points can be respected even when there is disagreement. The personal attacks diminish the credibility of all points.

Point well taken, so I will continue on simply stating the facts and letting them fall where they may. It is obvious that the beginning of the corruption started in the Bush era primarily driven by those who voted for Bush, not once but twice. It is obvious to those with a discerning eye that Obama inherited a mess when he took office; but I guess he knew that but was willing to sacrifice for his country anyway. ----luckily we got a two for one deal in that we got Michelle Obama also, who is a very well educated woman. I would say that she and Hillary have been some of the most influential first ladies in office. -----It will be very difficult for Obama to stop the corruption that has already begun by those who voted in corruption. We, the United States, has suffered 9/11 and two wars since George Bush Jr was in office and it is evident that corruption took on a new form during that time. I still cannot figure out how the third building fell on 9/11 or how the main identified mastermines passport was found in the wreckage unscathed. ---Fortunately we have Obama the anti-corruption president and his very beautiful first lady in office. Surely we will see and subsiding of the corruption that has taken place because of those with religious zeal misplaced that voted him into office.

I agree that there was corruption during the Bush administration, but I am interested in what factors have led you to conclude that corruption started with Bush. Would you mind expounding on that point? Looking back across the history the of the office of the presidency I can't recall a single president who did not have corruption in his administration. Every person who has ever voted for a president has voted in corruption, including those who voted for Obama, and every president (except Washington) has had a difficult time in purporting to clean up the previous president's corruptions, while perpetrating his own. Furthermore, there is no president, including George Washington, who did not inherit a mess.

While I agree that Hillary Clinton is without doubt the most influential First Lady to have resided in the White House, Michelle Obama has not been. That may change, but while she is a fine and beautiful lady, to date she has not extended her influence in any extraordinary way.

Are you implying that George Bush was responsible for effecting the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

[christian]

I said the corruption took on a different form under Bush. As far as 9/11 goes I simply question why building 3 collapsed. Plus those building did indeed fell like a demolition project. I differ with you on Michelle Obama in that just her being there (presidents wife) (black) changes the perception of some.

[Murcielago]

I said the corruption took on a different form under Bush. As far as 9/11 goes I simply question why building 3 collapsed. Plus those building did indeed fell like a demolition project. I differ with you on Michelle Obama in that just her being there (presidents wife) (black) changes the perception of some.

I fail to see where you said that corruption took on a different form under Bush, but that aside, I agree to the extent that each president has taken on his own forms of corruption, with the exception of pandering to some aspect of big business, which every president from Washington to Obama has done. Money is power and every president by nature craves power, not one being an exception.

Your point on Michelle Obama is well taken. She is a focal point that highlights the rapid changes this country has gone through in less than a century. Her family is one of the multi-generational wealthy elite who show that the capitalist system is colour blind for those who take initiative and use it under the great American system. She shows that the racist mentality that would once have kept her poor and far from ever taking up residence in the White House has died out. She is an iconic reflection of the large and fast growing population of black people who are now counted among the wealthy elite in America. This did not happen in the last year, it has been building up for generations, and she and her parents are the proof of it. Long live the America that produced Michelle Obama under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy!

[christian]

I just watched Cnn tonight and the were saying that a large number of those participating in the tea party have expressed racist attitudes especially when it comes to blacks, they CNN seemed to say it as though that was a suprise. As I have said in the past a lot of what is motivating protest and the like has a lot to do with the fact that Obama is black. I have never implied that everyone is prejudice but I am saying that there is a larger group of prejudice people than we want to acknowledge. And some are prejudice and don't even know it, that goes for blacks and whites. The tea party members are 99.9 percent white. ----------- It is a shame that we have separate conferences I am not sure why the white conference wont just blend with the black conference.