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[Murcielago]

Jets are a distraction. So they get rid the jets or don't use them when they go to Washington, big deal. That doesn't solve the problem, but its one of those visual things that make people think something was done. But I agree, its hypocritical and arriving hat in hand surrounded by displays of wealth was plain stupid, except that they probably thought that the pot wouldn't cuss the kettle, lol. And the Washington lawmakers who are particularly vocal about global warming and environmental issues, like Pelosi, Boxer and Gore, display to us just how insincere they are about those causes every time they board a private jet.

[princessdi]

I see the jets as more of a symptom.  An eample of how bad it had gotten, that they didn't even think twice about using them.  Therefore, yes we agree.  So that they are never, ever that thoughtless again, we need to fix the real issues.  As I said, The Senate did not think anything of it at all, it was a news broadcast and the outrage of the people that even brought it to their attention.  It was an important "symptom" to the people as to their state of mind.

[tinka]

If Obama is going to clean up big business, I'd like to see him deal with the biggest and dirtiest business of them all: the Federal Government.

Yes, Yes, Yes, but he can't he just made it bigger with the czars.  You ought to see their paychecks.....
After the Federal Government is cleaned up then let him take down the Federal Reserve.....Giddy up go   

[christian]

It is evident that there are some interested in trying to place on Obama their own failures. They look at any person in his administration and then try label their likes positions or political stance as the presidents. Now that would be okay if the people named were in a position where they could influence Government Polocies etc... but that is not the case. In every administration there are (always) individuals who differ from the Presidents position on certain topics, thus it was in the Bush and previous President administrations.

[Murcielago]

Christian, are you referring to a post?

[Murcielago]

If Obama is going to clean up big business, I'd like to see him deal with the biggest and dirtiest business of them all: the Federal Government.

Yes, Yes, Yes, but he can't he just made it bigger with the czars.  You ought to see their paychecks.....
After the Federal Government is cleaned up then let him take down the Federal Reserve.....Giddy up go   

Additional layers of beaurocracy. Btw, why are they called "czar" the Russian for "Caesar" and a title taken by the Russian monarchy. The German monarchy called themselves "Kaiser" which meant the same thing. But why are beaurocratic underlings being called Caesar? And why the Russian word for it? Just curious.

[Murcielago]

Ok! Anyone want to comment on Van Jones? I will. A horrific, racist individual who has made so many statements that should disqualify a person from any public office that there is absolutely no way a vetting committee could have missed them unless it was utterly inane or completely failed to do its job. Why would the president even consider such a fringe extremist for a powerful policy making job in the administration?

[christian]

Van Jones is a very good man, I don't see what the problem is?













I figured I would post that because somepeople want to lump everyone in the same boat. Obviously, the man has no business being in any position of the White House with those views. Which brings me back to an important thought, we need to realize that there are blacks and white etc... that do not condone racism of anykind. I don't think they did a good job venting him and this is the result. However, it kinda reminds me of John McCain who I like taking Sara Palin, who has some (in my opinion) far out thinking.

It also reminds me of the people who say that blacks voted for Obama because he was black. I can tell you that there were millions of blacks that did not want Jesse Jackson to win the presidential race and he was black. Why is it so hard for blacks and whites to realize that he vast majority of individuals black and white simply want to be treated fair and have the opportunity to raise there families in a secure environment. George, obviously if we are Christians we don't condone racism of anykind no matter who it comes from.

[Murcielago]

True, I don't think McCain's vetting committe did a very good job either, but then Palin had never made the extremist kinds of comments and with the frequency that Van Jones has. A simple google search would have shown that. Oh well. I'm guessing that Obama had no idea or he wouldn't have done it. Especially after the furor that rose over his pastor. No president wants an extremist of any kind in their administration. All it does is detract from day to day work. But then that is all assumption. The president will hopefully disavow the views so forcefully spoken by Van Jones by asking for his resignation.

[christian]

George, I appreciate your level headed response. I did not want to comment on him to much without looking up what his job was. He was responsible for helping direct the country towards green technology. Interesting enough even a republican woman had previously sang his praises. He is not responsible for setting the Presidents policies, he is only a low level administrator. However, that does not detract from the fact that someone should have signaled a red flag. I cannot believe that the President would be stupid enough to put him out there knowing the comments he has made. So I must speculate that he somehow slipped through the cracks. You will get no sympathy from me based on the color of his skin. No matter who it is we as (Americans) need to stand up against the extremes from any ethnic groups. 

[tinka]

Ok! Anyone want to comment on Van Jones? I will. A horrific, racist individual who has made so many statements that should disqualify a person from any public office that there is absolutely no way a vetting committee could have missed them unless it was utterly inane or completely failed to do its job. Why would the president even consider such a fringe extremist for a powerful policy making job in the administration?

Boy you got that right! Now he was called one of Obama's czars.  So evil and yet so nice looking.

Lets discuss czars.  It is a Russian name because in Russia, the people in control are not elected years gone by. It is the Russian way and  there name for it.

Here is what is happening.  Obama's czars that are chosen by Obama-- are not elected officials and do not have to be passed by Congress or anything or anybody. They are just extra baggage that Obama is appointing himself to do all these jobs that a president usually does himself. You know like Queenie is having done.  This is the Russian way and now Obama is tagged for it. More milking the system for his buddies that are all into the agenda of power.
You know if you listened to Horawitz he says that at no time has there ever been a liberal that has been in it for the people but the power of it.
This is just a drop what is happening. Next week we will hear what is behind the educational theator, I think starting tues. they will give the background and follow through step by step on Fox. 

[Murcielago]

Van Jones turned in his resignation, but refused to apologize for his statements, only that they offended anyone. It remains for Obama to repudiate Jones. If he doesn't there are alot of Americans who will wonder. Until the election made it an issue, he had the racist Wright as his spiritual leader, and until the press made it an issue he had the racist Jones in a leadership position in the administration.

[christian]

Van Jones turned in his resignation, but refused to apologize for his statements, only that they offended anyone. It remains for Obama to repudiate Jones. If he doesn't there are alot of Americans who will wonder. Until the election made it an issue, he had the racist Wright as his spiritual leader, and until the press made it an issue he had the racist Jones in a leadership position in the administration.

I doubt that Obama will try and repudiate Jones. I also think it would be a mistake to do so (repudiate Jones). And I would like for you to quote for me the racist statement that Wright made. I don't think that most Americans will wonder if Obama is a racist, only those who will find a reason to doubt no matter what. His mother is white for crying out loud, so I don't suspect that he would be prejudice. That is of course if he hates his own mother or his grandmother who are both white. Again, my research found Jones being praised by a number of people for his work with Green Technology, many or the people praising him being white. It is not surprising to me that perhaps Obama missed it, I am sure he does not know every black guy. I am modifying this post after more research. Besides the taped statements on school shooting which is very inflammatory. I think his stance on 9/11 and other extremest statements are what brought him down not racist statements.

[tinka]

These documents are now for public view. The documents were on this e-mail to view but cannot get them to show up here after copied. Probably if you click on His name it will come up. These e-mails come on news items. I do not sign up for them. But what if true???


            
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BORN IN THE USA?
Court document swears Kenyan birth cert legit
Owner risks perjury in high-profile case to insist Barack Obama born in Africa
Posted: September 06, 2009
7:20 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

With a scheduled hearing date Tuesday, Lucas Smith, the man who tried to sell an alleged Barack Obama Kenyan birth certificate on eBay, has filed court papers in a high-profile eligibility case insisting – under threat of perjury – that the Obama birth certificate in his possession is the genuine article.


The document above is alleged by Lucas Smith to be Barack Obama's original, authentic birth certificate from Kenya.
Smith filed his affidavit through California attorney Orly Taitz, who has spearheaded several lawsuits challenging Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president, as part of a case that includes as plaintiff former presidential candidate Alan Keyes.

Taitz posted on her blog Smith's declaration, which claims he obtained the alleged birth certificate from Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and insists it's real.

"The true and correct photocopy of the birth certificate obtained is attached to this affidavit as Exhibit A," the declaration reads. "I declare, certify, verify, state and affirm under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing statements of fact and descriptions of circumstances and events are true and correct."

Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

Smith's affidavit, which includes a copy of the certificate, has been filed with Judge David Carter of the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. Carter is scheduled to preside over a hearing on the case on Sept. 8.

Taitz told WND she believes the swiftly approaching court date prompted Smith into action:

"He has been in touch with me for quite a while, and he emailed me the document with his signature," Taitz said. "I think he was trying to figure out the most expedient way to bring his message public, and maybe he felt that because I have a hearing coming, that would be the most expedient way."

Taitz hopes the court will order expedited discovery, a ruling that would open many of Obama's currently sealed documents, including his college records and Hawaiian long-form birth certificate, to court scrutiny.

"We'll see what happens on Tuesday. If Judge Carter has the guts, we may move very fast," Taitz told WND. "If expedited discovery is ordered, I'll be dashing to Occidental College and then be on a flight to Hawaii."

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In his filing, Smith declares that he traveled to Kenya in February and paid off a military officer in order to obtain a copy of the birth certificate from Coast General Hospital in Mombasa. The declaration also states that the hospital administrator signed and sealed the copy, which indicates Obama's birth in Africa on Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m.

As WND reported, Smith released a video of the document he claims is a copy of Obama's hospital birth record, though an investigation by Jerome Corsi maintains the document is a forgery.

WND first reported earlier this year when Lucas Smith, a former resident of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and known by the eBay handle "colmado_naranja," claimed to have a document proving Obama's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

After promising to reveal the document to WND, Smith then dropped communications with a team of people offering to help him verify the document, only fueling the belief the sale – and therefore the alleged document – was a scam.

WND followed Smith's ongoing saga as "colmado_naranja" as he attempted several times to sell the document, or photos and stories surrounding it, on eBay, only to have the auctions repeatedly removed by site administrators.

WND also launched an investigation into "colmado_naranja," which led through several online aliases and reported collaborators, including Dawnella Wilson, "InspectorSmith" and, eventually, Lucas Smith.

Smith, whose background includes a lengthy criminal record and a reported attempt to sell his kidney to a man in need of organ transplant, nonetheless insists that his motives are above board, even if his past looks dubious.

"I do have a background. I've made mistakes in my life," Smith told WND in an e-mail. "It took a guy like me to go and get tangible proof about Obama. I don't mind breaking a few laws or policies here and there. I don't mind paying the military in foreign countries to look the other way ... The military [in Africa] will grant you access to anything for just a few dollars. People are starving. So yes, it takes a guy like me to get things done once in a while."

An enhanced version of the Smith YouTube video has been published by Repubx.com, permitting a more legible examination of the document.

WND has also determined that a supposed Kenyan birth certificate previously released by attorney Orly Taitz is also a forgery.

WND has reported on an authentic 1961-era Kenyan birth certificate, which looks distinctly different from the document Smith released in the video.


Authentic 1961-era Kenyan birth certificate obtained by WND

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

Because of the dearth of information about Obama's eligibility, WND founder Joseph Farah has launched a campaign to raise contributions to post billboards asking a simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?"


"Where's The Birth Certificate?" billboard at the Mandalay Bay resort on the Las Vegas Strip
The campaign followed a petition that has collected more than 450,000 signatures demanding proof of his eligibility, the availability of yard signs raising the question and the production of permanent, detachable magnetic bumper stickers asking the question.

The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

[christian]

Tinka,

I am on my way to Kenya this December do you want me to check for his birthdate at that time? LOL, I guess you want us to believe what? That when Obama was born he knew he would be president and so he falsified his birth at that time? There are two news papers listing his birth in Hawaii at the time of his birth, they were conspiring back then. The State of Hawaii has verified him as a natural born citizen as required by law, are they lying too? That they are lying but your man is telling the truth?