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[tinka]

princess di,
You must have fell somewhere and bumped your head. You still do not know what you are talking about and I still cannot believe you teach a Sabbath School with all your liberal ideas but you are in style as a lot of churches now adays are heading that direction
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and as far as MO SHE HAS NOTHING TO LOOK AT BUT TO HIDE AND SHOULD HIDE UNDER WRAP OTHERWISE we would not have seen her defects. She has no posture and slinks  from her rib cage down into the balloon, trying to be smaller then Obama,  Shows off her basketball shoulders in a white bazoon ball (gown??) and her seat end looks like it is down to her knees from the back in her tight jeans. It takes all of Obama's arm to try to reach from one side to the other as they were boarding the plane.  All is seen because she does not dress modest. We all have defects and none perfect so why flaunt it . She really needs to cover up and take an elegant look. Women with no sense should know when they should not wear pants and then you would not notice how far Obama has to reach and can't reach around Michelle Obama. We all get there but why flaunt it. Evidently she don't realize this and seems quite dorkey.

Oh and my comment about Hilliary being masculine, what else would you expect when you can slick your hair back and drink the whiskey down with the men as good as they can at a local pub. I never seen her in a dress yet!  Maybe ol Bill had his reasons. But liked his personallity but not his junk plus I admit he has good looks. I would probably trust him more then Hilliary.

We should all be intelligent enough to "know our limitations" while being in view of peoples interests.To tell the truth I would have never noticed if it was not flaunted and lack of proper dress associated with the first lady.

[christian]

Boy, is somebody jealous or what? You have real hatred for the beautiful first lady and your president Obama. Face the fact the man won and his wife is beautiful whether you except it or not. As far as the state of her mind, obviously you are a mind reader, I wouldn't know. Also, I hope you dint lead out in sabbath school otherwise we must all go back to the wooden school house. But actually I know you are not a sabbath school teacher because I am sure no one will allow that. Listen to this, Obama is the president and the Bible says you have to give respect and Homage to the Black Kenyan that leads this country and the daughter of a slave Michelle Obama that African Queen it your first lady.

[Little Grasshopper]

Do you realize the millions of dollars we pay to executives and the like at the insurance companies?
Do you understand the billions of dollars we pay for executives and share holders of insurance and drug companies.
Do you have any idea of the amount of people that do not have insurance, or adequate coverage?
Do you not realize the thousands a year that are forced into bankruptcy because of catastrophic illnesses or just he inability to pay?

Actually, it's even worse than that, Christian.  I was listening to National Public Radio and they were explaining why well-educated,  older people (people over 50)  can rarely find employment with the major corporations.

Corporations have health insurance plans for their employees and they don't want to add older people to their company plans.  Why? It's because corporations subsidize their employees' health insurance payments.  Adding older people to the company's group insurance plan increases their health-care insurance premiums more than younger people will.

Therefore, older people, even if well-educated, experienced, and qualified for the jobs, will be brushed aside in favor of younger people who will have fewer health-care issues.  This employment problem applies equally to Republicans as well as Democrats  -- and with the current health-care system in the U.S.A. there is no escaping it.

I think that if the conservatives of both parties fully understood this problem their objections to making needed changes would be fewer.

[tinka]

Yes grasshopper your right but the new bill is even worse then that but experience of it if it passes will be the only thing that will let people see that they were deceived.

Oh, and Christian, you haven't detected that all the bad stuff I've written is just to show the likes  how the liberal can come off with justification of all wrong doing that all can see. I am not saying a conservative does not do that also but then that is the difference between the wheat and tares. 

YOUR president and first lady did not win the election by honest votes. Plain and simple. So however many presidents did this His premeditated community service leadership was being established years ago with total corruption in Acorn (stood out so all could see) on how to get out the black vote by hook or crook.  Ya all was fooled with blindness.  It takes a devil to do this on a national basis for deceivement. also no where does it say we have to respect the Black Kenyon Queen. Another is.... Judas was also a disciple that Jesus let play out! That is where it is Christian, the evil playing out against the people. I believe this episode has already happened in Biblical days. It is evident you do not know of this.  IF you would have read all the SOP, it lets you know how to detect or discern evil in all different forms in stead thinking on a one way track of someone being jealous. The color of president has nothing to do with agenda for a president that is considering not for the people but the taker of all in his own corrupt black heart. Not only is he in corruption with Acorn, also follow through with the organization of Apollo. The corruption is bigger then you can imagine.

[christian]

First of all I said Michelle Obama is your African Queen not Kenyan Queen. Secondly I have read the Spirit of Prophecy and that is why I know you have problems. One thing is for sure I find no conspiracy in the man trying to give everyone healthcare. And I have noted the things you have written and they are definitely seated with underlying prejudices. I can imagine that you are probably someone raised in the south. The man has not been in office long enough for you to display such hatred for Him and his wife unless you have some unresolved problems. Go back take a good look at the things you have said about MO and then look in the mirror. You remind me of someone I was talking to in the past and after a long conversation of how they were not prejudice they exclaim how Obama was making it so that no black man would ever be elected again. I then asked him the question, does that mean that no white man should ever be president because of George Bush. I still am waiting for a response but as of yet, I hear nothing but crickets. You are obsessed with Michelle Obama, and rightly so if you cannot match her beauty or wear shorts like Her.

[tinka]

Listen to this, Obama is the president and the Bible says you have to give respect and Homage to the Black Kenyan that leads this country and the daughter of a slave Michelle Obama that African Queen it your first lady.

Again in case you did not understand or are trying retract what you said in the above sentence. so who would be the black Kenyan that leads if it is not whom we are speaking of. Sorry, but I do not bow and pay homage to such junk as your implying.

Yes, I went to a one room school house (public) until in fact 6th grade. Now be truthful and state whether you took it upon your self to go in and read the socialistic bill that "your majesty"  wants for healthcare. It is totally ignorant or people to run their mouth if they do not know what they are yakking about. Go read the bill. Bet your too lazy to and just go by what someone tells you. all you see is color and then call someone jealous. If you were a mature person you would come back with the written facts but you simply can't. I wish it would be different but  it is reality we are going down if this goes through.  You would have to come up with more facts to prove this bill will not take you down.  In case you haven't been following, they pretty much have to come up with something different and even the dems are starting to see the Apollo Dynasty in its workings. What are you going to do when the people rise up and burst his bubble. Seems that is happening. The American people will not be fooled long. His ratings are going steadly down. Ever think why! Let me tell you about hatred. That will be your lot when you finally discover you've been led. People can talk if they have the facts. Like for instance the MO spenditures. She knows to milk it as she will not hold her seat in the next election for sure. Ever track her back ground?? It is just as lax as His.  People are sick of this debt from all angles and especially the lying promises that he could not deliever to ya. Hatred ? This is what happened when the government a few years back would not give compensation to all who claimed they were owed for being slaves in their ancestry. This is the Hatred Obama has.  What will he do with it?? They will be able to milk it once just watch and see. Oh, your wrong on my origin. I am strickly a yankee woman from high north and the south will not rise again! even tho they like to still carry their rebel flags. now that is hatrid and yet the red necks have now been given  energy against their all American views of freedom that I am afraid they will fight to the end. So Obama keep it going!!!!!!

[christian]

Let me see how I can get you to understand. First the people are rising up about exactly what? Secondly there are approximately 4 Health bills actually. The bills have to be combined and once combined then and only then will they be voted on. The senate and the congress will have to compromise and come up with one bill. The fact remains that the present condition of medical cannot be maintained so what is your beef? (please) Answer this is it your suggestion that we continue on with the current system of Health Care? What is your suggestion if you were president what would you do? With the current situation in the next 8 years we will have exhausted Medicare and Medicaid and the estimate is that between 60 and 70 million people will not have health care. Please, once again what is your solution to the problem? I will be waiting to hear it.

[christian]

I am sorry, I didnt't make myself perfectly clear. Maybe (Tinka) you dont think anything needs to change?

[princessdi]

First of all, Tinka, I show you respect in only responding to your opinions, and not attakcing you personally.    So, you need to do the same.  

Christian you are correct, these days it is called "drinking haterade".    I am afraid Tinka might have at least a 4 year(maybe 8) supply of 2
litre bottles.....poor thing.........Tinka you are in my prayers for that envious spirit that possesses you.  It is a shame and a sin in God's eyes to hate one of His children so...............to see His children treating each other badly...........just like any other parent when they see they children treating each other badly.

Now, about this other, Christian, we know that spirit also. It also needs much prayer as it is support by our own SDA church through institutionalized racism in the form of regional conferences.  

God does require that we give respect to our leaders, because He allows them to be so.  He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, so that means God sets them up and takes them down.  Our job is to respect those in the offices thathe ordained.  To tell the truth, I started out disrespecting George Bush by call him 'shrub", but someone pulled my coattail about that, I was convicted and stopped.  I didn't have to agree with his politics, but God allowed and ordained that GWB be president for 8 years.  If I claim to be in relationship with God, then I need to trust and have faith that He does know what He is doing...and He does.  I didn't have to trust Bush, just God.  I deinfitely need to at least remember that Bush, Obama, Tinka, Christian, Danny, Brandy, Bob Gailon, Little Grasshopper,and every single man and woman on this site and this planet are ALL children of God, and my brothers and sisters in Christ.  I need to see them through His eyes, and love them with His Love.

princess di,
You must have fell somewhere and bumped your head. You still do not know what you are talking about and I still cannot believe you teach a Sabbath School with all your liberal ideas but you are in style as a lot of churches now adays are heading that direction
.
and as far as MO SHE HAS NOTHING TO LOOK AT BUT TO HIDE AND SHOULD HIDE UNDER WRAP OTHERWISE we would not have seen her defects. She has no posture and slinks  from her rib cage down into the balloon, trying to be smaller then Obama,  Shows off her basketball shoulders in a white bazoon ball (gown??) and her seat end looks like it is down to her knees from the back in her tight jeans. It takes all of Obama's arm to try to reach from one side to the other as they were boarding the plane.  All is seen because she does not dress modest. We all have defects and none perfect so why flaunt it . She really needs to cover up and take an elegant look. Women with no sense should know when they should not wear pants and then you would not notice how far Obama has to reach and can't reach around Michelle Obama. We all get there but why flaunt it. Evidently she don't realize this and seems quite dorkey.

Oh and my comment about Hilliary being masculine, what else would you expect when you can slick your hair back and drink the whiskey down with the men as good as they can at a local pub. I never seen her in a dress yet!  Maybe ol Bill had his reasons. But liked his personallity but not his junk plus I admit he has good looks. I would probably trust him more then Hilliary.

We should all be intelligent enough to "know our limitations" while being in view of peoples interests.To tell the truth I would have never noticed if it was not flaunted and lack of proper dress associated with the first lady.

[tinka]

Let me see how I can get you to understand. First the people are rising up about exactly what? Secondly there are approximately 4 Health bills actually. The bills have to be combined and once combined then and only then will they be voted on. The senate and the congress will have to compromise and come up with one bill. The fact remains that the present condition of medical cannot be maintained so what is your beef? (please) Answer this is it your suggestion that we continue on with the current system of Health Care? What is your suggestion if you were president what would you do? With the current situation in the next 8 years we will have exhausted Medicare and Medicaid and the estimate is that between 60 and 70 million people will not have health care. Please, once again what is your solution to the problem? I will be waiting to hear it.

First of all it seems that all you can come up with is the word "hate". I really do not have that in me except when people have an agenda to take what someone else has worked for or made. I don't look at color but facts and actions.

Huckabee has the right agenda for America. That was our vote. He was a breath of fresh air that the people did not want. The corruption was used again with voters counts in some states. His beliefs are founded in tune with the orginal fathers. (Not kings or queens). He is the one that had the right ideas to make all work together. Huckabee could do it without all the financial payoff of media's favorite that just would not happen because of tagged morman. Now the thing to watch is the connections of Apollo for a right choice next time. Don't be led again by it.

You cannot tax the people to pay for all the big wigs which has been done right before your eyes. Now another trick is the auto $4,500 clunckers that all think they got such a good deal on. It was a way to tax you more on next years payout. Think ya got someting for nothing?  Now as some think they will not get taxed as much as the rich guy,  think again. You will pay more for gas, food, and control of more of your personal life where you will not have freedom to choose lifestyle, medical, amount of money you can earn, that is why the drs. are heading to the "town hall meetings" time is about up for all us common people that have been taken for a lifetime of work.

It would have all worked in the right mode if a leader did not have to pay the coffers that are in control. Kennedy did not pay so they killed him. a good president for the people. Now with the help along the way from what each president did to head down this road It maybe too late to stop the pain. I believe when good was not chosen "America blew it".  We were looking for character that was closest to Christian belief. But then I think Huckabee was too good a man to hand over all "power to the beast".   

Shawn Boontra just yesterday, confirmed how all is now more wicked and becoming more wicked then ever before and it is true. A country can  not be more then its people, a congregation cannot be more then the pastor, and a family cannot be without a head. I look far beyond anything that resembles color or difference. I watch the steps that are being taken to decieve "mankind "of which we were told would happen.

I have been preparing for a long time for all medicare and ssi to stop and look for hard times coming. Have had 4 gardens this summer and have canned every single day for a fews years if we have them left just in case anyone suffers that I could help from lack of food or funds. It is small but it is something even a drop in the bucket. But do not waste a minute for work to be done. In night I read or do computer to see news and keep abreast of the "signs of time we are living in" in the broadest view of facts.  Too bad I cannot tell you the rest of the story!! But just a couple on here do know that I trust.

You might be reminded that Daniel did not pay homage or respect the Kings wishes. So in the end, also what homage will you pay. If it is to man, so be it and so sorry for you.

and Di,
There is no justification for the evil that is about to happen. God will certainly let evil play out as the people chose. Just like when in Biblical days when the people wanted a "king" and God wondered why they wanted one!!!!! simple now isn't it!! They did not want to be their own individual self paying homage to their "Creator".  They wanted man to lead them. So they chose a bad one.......... Sorta funny that history keeps going on the same pattern. Then their was Moses that God chose to only organize the people but God was their leader. IF we have to have a president it is on those terms that I try to choose in voting. But for "change" Acorn was created!!!!!

[Murcielago]

Listen to this, Obama is the president and the Bible says you have to give respect and Homage to the Black Kenyan that leads this country and the daughter of a slave Michelle Obama that African Queen it your first lady.

Obama is a Kenyan? In the vetting process they didn't arrive at that conclusion. So you are one of the people saying that he is not legally the president? And where do you get the idea that Mrs Obama is African? She was born and raised in the United States of America. She is no more African than Laura Bush is British. Ridiculous!

and as far as MO SHE HAS NOTHING TO LOOK AT BUT TO HIDE AND SHOULD HIDE UNDER WRAP OTHERWISE we would not have seen her defects. She has no posture and slinks  from her rib cage down into the balloon, trying to be smaller then Obama,  Shows off her basketball shoulders in a white bazoon ball (gown??) and her seat end looks like it is down to her knees from the back in her tight jeans. It takes all of Obama's arm to try to reach from one side to the other as they were boarding the plane.  All is seen because she does not dress modest. We all have defects and none perfect so why flaunt it . She really needs to cover up and take an elegant look. Women with no sense should know when they should not wear pants and then you would not notice how far Obama has to reach and can't reach around Michelle Obama. We all get there but why flaunt it. Evidently she don't realize this and seems quite dorkey.

That is also why we have makeup and jewelry. It is there to hide the flaws and detract from them, just as modest dress does. "...cover up and take an elegant look." I know some Adventists who could sure benefit from your statements. They have this notion that there is something wrong with using makeup and jewelry to do exactly what you said. But, I guess they have the right to look however they want to look, even if it looks unbecoming to me, and I guess Mrs Obama can too. Style is a matter of personal opinion. I happen to think that she is someone who looks just fine in shorts, but hey, that may just be because I am a man.

[tinka]

George (laugh) I suspect your right and figured out that Christian must be a man too. My opinion is strictly from a modest person.
a woman shows she has intelligence when she is totally modest, refined, and cultured with the know how of elegant simplicity. My husband states that is the only way he can determine a good woman to look at. He says the the woman that flaunt it men just get tired of all displayed to everyone knowing they are ignorant and think everyone likes seeing it and knowing that all anatomy is the same. He does not like looking at rolls hanging out the hip huggers and do not understand men that do like for their women to do it.

Woman member showed up at church today again looking just like that. What is so bad is she just had a baby and not back in any kind of shape yet. I don't understand why it is me that is embarrassed for her. I'm not in that shape and am not jealous, just embarrased that the public can see all the outlines, all the creases, and all the rest. Yes there is a problem with dress in the SDA church in most places. I am from the 40's and the 50's and yes my mind set is back then and will never except this way or even pretend that it is even ok with any kind of justification even for the so called first lady.

[christian]

Tinka, first of all you are storing up for what? Ellen White would say we should not store up and those that do will find their food eaten by worms. You never answered my question as to what you would do about the medical except that you seem to be waiting for the worst. ---And you being an Adventist would support Huckabee as President when he is not for the separation of church and State. Again, fortunately there are not more like you, you would indeed bring more suffering to people in the name of God. 

[tinka]

Chrintian,
This has been my custom and my mothers all our lives to always have a huge garden to help out anyway at anytime and produce our own food. I am not customed to buy from store. We even had are own chickens and essentials on farm and mostly self sufficient.

 I understand fully where you are coming from. I also know that at the end days that saved food will not help. I have read that but until that time we always have a way to help in case of emergency or I always have immediate food ready for company or unexpected visitors. You really have a mind to come up with words not spoken or misunderstood. We have been hit very hard with hard times already in our case and very very thankful to be able to have the gardens at this time. But we always share and have spare no matter what.

Even before the signal to flee I believe we are in for some harder times yet. All industry is shutting down in our town. Being retired and the threat of no SSI or MEdicare just in case I do have prepared food that we can now feel good and in better health as we bought out of stores for last 2 years and not ever used to that change caused stress and not feeling good. That is what we have been thankful for when all other gardens around have been hit with blight.  Ours produced all that we needed. In case your interested you might go to the post where there are recipes, I think I put it on Healthy choices. My son in law- was from the big city. He was amazed with our lifestyle and wrote a poem dedicated to me which is typical of our life. Check it out if interested. It will just be titled with the word "garden poem" and sort of forget exatly how I titled it but it will be under Tinka

We clearly are told which religion will cause church and state to come together. Where have you been to not know that. The protestants will also follow them AFTERWARD of which we will not be able to turn it around by that time. It will be put in place at the beginning by the "new world order". and Obama has already stated his case on that issue.

Answering the question of Healthe Care I believe yes all should be able to have that and be able to pay and select them selves, but they can't because the poor are still without much left to do that as they are taxed if not by IRS but high taxed on all essentials that are necessary for instance the high cost of fuel, food, interest and housing and everyday necessities raised prices on elec and heat. But yet they are told they will not be taxed if they only make so much. How funny!

The insurance companys are the ones to be delt with and that is what I think demands "change" not the whole freedom of choice that America is built on.  The high cost of living is what creates people not to afford health care.

 Huckabee has a plan of "fair tax" which will work and get rid of IRS and then some of Ron Pauls ideas to get rid of the corrupt money system like John Kennedy tried. They killed him. Can't think of the correct words I want to use in place of corrupt money system but it is 1:30 am. Probably will think about it in am. Ron Paul was a too radical in some ways but right on in others. He did not do well in the matches or debates, but another who is misunderstood a lot but has some good ideas and very truthful is Alan Keys.

 Years ago, we heard Obama speak at a convention and thought he was quite elegant in speach and marveled how well he spoke. We sort of felt in future he was preparing to run. We were impressed until the more he talked and talked we soon realized all the contradictions and discovered that was just only his talent.  Talk, talk, and more talk. He kept us in circles, as we did not miss any canidate and watched all debates. It finally was to the point that all the long drawn talks made no sence other then his pounding of the "change", "change" and that is what people grabbed. We needed change for sure but not this horrfic trauma. I've just been around all this for too long and know we are in bad times. This could be it for the financial fall of America. It sure seems that way in our area.

I have listened very much to Huckabee and so far he has not given any clue or thought or manner of speach that he would "hand over all power to the beast. In fact I saw that he could be very strong against the agressor of America. He is stronger in policy then you think but does it quite Christian like but firm.  But we can expect any portestant to do that in time or the daughters of the mother church will follow and that is a given fact.

[christian]

I can tell you this that you are completely wrong in my opinion. And what is more amazing about, you people, is that the man has really not had a chance to do anything except what the prior administration has put together. I am not wishing bad times on anyone, my motto has always been pray for peace for mankind at all times.---- I believe the tax situation has been around for eons and yet you seem to imply that Obama is bringing this country down. -----The reason I asked for you to supply a rememdy for Healthcare is I wanted to see whether you were part of a solution or part of the problem.---- I will ask again in hopes that you would answer the question. What is your solution to the Health crisis and what would you do differently about taxes. Solutions are not often as easy as one might think when the problem is put in their laps. I am very pleased that Obama is seeking for a solution to the problems.---And he is right (absolutley) to suggest a government option to health insurance. The reason we are in the situation we are in at this time is because of the insurance companies. Actually, Medicare, Medicade, government run health care, has done 100 times better than private insurance companies. I would like you to name one thing that Obama has done presently that makes you sooooo upset. Please, and I am not talking about the fact that Michelle wore shorts and that other stupid stuff etc...