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[tinka]

Sabastian,
You really should read the posts and understand what is being implied in the outside world. This did not come from me. I merely put on here what outsiders are printing and doing to show how the trend of division of government into disaster that is growing in leaps and bounds I do not see anywhere on this post that should have gave you an idea that I wrote or said any of this let alone believe it. I did say "what if that could be true.  You are really good at adding your own misinformations.  It is so easy to see why and how it is you that is led into thinking that Socialism is ok "spread the wealth is ok and you voted for it, in fact with all your post and other comments to others I have wondered if you learned English in our American schools.

Your clear off the wall as bad as a nonsense joke. Wonder if you could comment on why cherry pies hang off ceilings?

[Murcielago]

What a weekend! Mr Jones resigned and then the hullabaloo about the school talk started. These school talks are political hay! In 1991 Bush made a speech in a school and the Democrats launched a congressional investigation and held hearings over it. Lol! The height of foolishness. At least this one was just local and media flaps. Now that its over we have tomorrow's speech to the joint session. By the weekend, sales of headache medications will be spiking. I recommend buying stock in whoever makes Tylenol, Motrin and Excedrin. Aha! Maybe this whole healthcare reform thing was put together by the pharmaceutical companies and the president just trying to drive up those stocks! Quick! Someone find out how much stock he owns in them! Lol!

[christian]

George,

 They just don't want to except that he is President, they will do anything to try and bring the man down. There are two sides to this story, tinka's side, which she thinks the sky is falling, and my side. I believe the President to be an honest man trying to get things done but there is a element of society that does not want to except defeat. The hoopla over the school thing was triggered because there are those who want to exaggerate everything he does. Plus, there are those that are looking to label the President this and that. But my prediction is that in the end the man will rise up and make a liar out of them all. Actually I am very proud of Him, and yes I voted for him and would do it again.

Yet despite all the man is President ordained by God to be there, him and his lovely wife and children. No need for Tylenol, Excedrin, Anacin etc... The only people that need those things are those that are afraid and fearfull. Obama is president and the thing I like about him most is his steadiness in the face of criticism.

[Murcielago]

There are more than two sides to this. Every president has the people who think he is the best thing ever (you in this case), and people who think he is the worst thing to ever hit DC (Tinka.) Then there are people like me who look at each president as just another president. He is different than the others in a few minor ways, but fundamentally each one is not much different than the other. They are all politicians, all capable of saying things that make people tingle, all just one part of a much larger government system in which the president is a single figurehead who is tied by congress, the judiciary, and the most important part of all: the people. They may have some power, but fortunately it is very limited. Although each of them has done more to give the office a little more power.

I have noticed that the extremes of this one seem to have these factors. On the hate-him side they seem to think that he is going to bring in communism, socialism, dictatorship, sell out the country to the UN, he isn't an American, he is a friend to the terrorists, and he has no financial sense. On the love-him side they think he will bring equality to all Americans (and non-Americans), make the rich poorer and the poor richer, give the disposessed possesion, make the whole world love us, save the environment, save the economy, cause all white racists to become frustrated, and bring peace.

In the end I think all of the above will be sorely disappointed when they find out that he is just another president. The people who hate him have nothing much to hang on him at this point because he has done nothing. Yes, a few rotten appointees, but thats all. The bailouts are just a hold-over from the last administration so that cant be blamed on him. The only thing that anyone has done is attack his ideology, and that is just based on interpretation and looking into the glass ball. On the other hand, I find it really sad that his fans have only one consistent defense, and that is that anyone who differs with him does so because he is black. That is pathetic and weak. it is the defense of people who have no substance at all. Yes, there are a tiny minority of people for whom his race is the major negative issue. But there are a number of people who see every white person and every successful or wealthy person (regardless of colour) as the enemy just because of the colour of their skin or the thickness of their wallet, so they try to make this presidency all about race. The vast majority of us don't care anything about his skin colour, what we care about is how he and his administration will affect our personal lives and personal finances. We know that the two houses of congress are just as important as the administration, and they will have more effect on us than the president will. Obama doesn't concern me anywhere near as much as Pelosi et al.

[christian]

George,

You made me laugh when you said I think he is the best thing ever, I as of yet have not compared him to anyone as to make that statement. What I have said is I think he is doing his best and for that I am proud. You are right though he hasn't done much of anything yet, his leagacy is just beginning. I disagree with you on the small minority thing of those that hate him because of his color. I believe there is a substaintial amount of people that hate for that reason alone. You yourself stated that he has not done very much so what do you attribute the furior over? As with most people they may try and hide their inner feeling and in some cases they are not even aware of it. Example: The man that told me that Obama is making it so no black man will ever be elected again, by the way that statement was echoed by at least 3 other individuals in the chat room. They saw nothing wrong with the statement partically because they could not understand there own feelings. In Texas the furior in the school about Obama addressing the Children but this same school has scheduled their school to go to a Bush speaking, and I can go on and on. I ask myself, self? if Obama was a white man would there be this uproar over speaking to the children (self answered) no. Ephasis provided for laughter only.

[tinka]

I disagree with you on the small minority thing of those that hate him because of his color. (How immaturely stupid ) I believe there is a substantial amount of people (you should know as it is evident that is your main thoughts of everything) that hate for that reason alone. (Maybe some really bad uneducated rednecks back in the woods somewhere.) You yourself stated that he has not done very much so what do you attribute the furior over? ( you will soon see) As with most people they may try and hide their inner feeling and in some cases they are not even aware of it. Real Americans know your problem is History and try to live in harmony. Then there are people Yes, like you who don't give it up. People like you make some try to raise the rebel flag again. You are showing that you are a product of continued History. Why don't you just get into the fact of just being American. (If you are?)

Oh, and it was Michelle that really wanted Jones. HE HE HE!

[Murcielago]

Actually Christian, in 1991 a white man who was president, George H. W. Bush did a live TV address to the public schools just like Obama did. The uproar was even worse than this one. It was so bad that congress launched an investigation and held hearings over it.

[tinka]

Just an update of outside turmoil. Who knows what this will bring??? maybe something bigger will happen before this!

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From: "Jeff Schwilk"

Subject: HUGE NEWS! Fed. Judge Carter sets Trial Date for Obama's Eligibility!!!
The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now!
 
I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief.  About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.
 
Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama's attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday.  He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed.  Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that.  I guess Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court!  Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).
 
The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war.  He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court!  He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!
 
The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times.  Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.
 
Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!!   The truth about Barack Obama's eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!
 
Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon.  Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz!  She did a great job and won some huge victories today.  She was fearless!
 
Jeff Schwilk, Founder
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com
 
 
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242
A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.
 
 
 

[Murcielago]

George,

You made me laugh when you said I think he is the best thing ever, I as of yet have not compared him to anyone as to make that statement. What I have said is I think he is doing his best and for that I am proud. You are right though he hasn't done much of anything yet, his leagacy is just beginning. I disagree with you on the small minority thing of those that hate him because of his color. I believe there is a substaintial amount of people that hate for that reason alone. You yourself stated that he has not done very much so what do you attribute the furior over? As with most people they may try and hide their inner feeling and in some cases they are not even aware of it. Example: The man that told me that Obama is making it so no black man will ever be elected again, by the way that statement was echoed by at least 3 other individuals in the chat room. They saw nothing wrong with the statement partically because they could not understand there own feelings. In Texas the furior in the school about Obama addressing the Children but this same school has scheduled their school to go to a Bush speaking, and I can go on and on. I ask myself, self? if Obama was a white man would there be this uproar over speaking to the children (self answered) no. Ephasis provided for laughter only.

The furor is no worse than the furor any president has had to face. The entire 8 years of the Bush presidency were filled with furor, protests, movies made against him and more. The first months of his presidency were chaotic with all the anger levelled against him. Would you say that this was because he is white? Yes, I heard people say things about his skin colour, but those were an angry little racist minority who hate anyone who is white.  There is an angry little minority who also hate anyone who is black. Big deal. Those people are usually vocal, but they mean nothing except to the paranoid few who see racists in anyone who disagrees with them. They all belong in the tabloids with the nuts who think JFK and Elvis are living with aliens on mars. Obama is just another President like Bush, Clinton, and all the rest. Nothing makes him any significantly different. Not even the colour of his skin.

[tinka]

Right on George!

[christian]

George,

You made me laugh when you said I think he is the best thing ever, I as of yet have not compared him to anyone as to make that statement. What I have said is I think he is doing his best and for that I am proud. You are right though he hasn't done much of anything yet, his leagacy is just beginning. I disagree with you on the small minority thing of those that hate him because of his color. I believe there is a substaintial amount of people that hate for that reason alone. You yourself stated that he has not done very much so what do you attribute the furior over? As with most people they may try and hide their inner feeling and in some cases they are not even aware of it. Example: The man that told me that Obama is making it so no black man will ever be elected again, by the way that statement was echoed by at least 3 other individuals in the chat room. They saw nothing wrong with the statement partically because they could not understand there own feelings. In Texas the furior in the school about Obama addressing the Children but this same school has scheduled their school to go to a Bush speaking, and I can go on and on. I ask myself, self? if Obama was a white man would there be this uproar over speaking to the children (self answered) no. Ephasis provided for laughter only.

The furor is no worse than the furor any president has had to face. The entire 8 years of the Bush presidency were filled with furor, protests, movies made against him and more. The first months of his presidency were chaotic with all the anger levelled against him. Would you say that this was because he is white? Yes, I heard people say things about his skin colour, but those were an angry little racist minority who hate anyone who is white.  There is an angry little minority who also hate anyone who is black. Big deal. Those people are usually vocal, but they mean nothing except to the paranoid few who see racists in anyone who disagrees with them. They all belong in the tabloids with the nuts who think JFK and Elvis are living with aliens on mars. Obama is just another President like Bush, Clinton, and all the rest. Nothing makes him any significantly different. Not even the colour of his skin.

Whereas, I do see him as a President like any other President with the exception of his skin color I see more fury directed at him. And are you calling me a nut because I have seen Elvis? And yes, JFK is alive and living in Hawaii. Actually, I see those with unbridaled hate that would stop at nothing to stop the man even shooting themselves in the foot. I say time will tell and we will see who is right and who is wrong, lets wait.

[christian]

I disagree with you on the small minority thing of those that hate him because of his color. (How immaturely stupid ) I believe there is a substantial amount of people (you should know as it is evident that is your main thoughts of everything) that hate for that reason alone. (Maybe some really bad uneducated rednecks back in the woods somewhere.) You yourself stated that he has not done very much so what do you attribute the furior over? ( you will soon see) As with most people they may try and hide their inner feeling and in some cases they are not even aware of it. Real Americans know your problem is History and try to live in harmony. Then there are people Yes, like you who don't give it up. People like you make some try to raise the rebel flag again. You are showing that you are a product of continued History. Why don't you just get into the fact of just being American. (If you are?)

Oh, and it was Michelle that really wanted Jones. HE HE HE!

Thank you Tinka for your thoughtful responses. And I know you soooooo jealous of Michelle it is killing you, but the lady goes on being refind and fine.

[princessdi]

Tinka, they have addressed this issue so much beofre the man became president, they have stopped even acknowleging the issue.  This is a lie.  If it were true, he could not even started running.  It is why Schartzenegger cannot run for President now.  Believe me, there are some in Washington who wish it was this easy to get rid of President Obama..

These documents are now for public view. The documents were on this e-mail to view but cannot get them to show up here after copied. Probably if you click on His name it will come up. These e-mails come on news items. I do not sign up for them. But what if true???

[princessdi]

George, here is the problem.  There is a small minority who hate anyone who is black.  However, there is a much larger group who don't hate anyone who is black, but refuse to have one in authority......of them.   The latter is the group that are most vocal about Obama....his birth, his life, his wife, his children, his walk, talk, that fact that he breathes at all.

There is a very big difference in racism in the north and the south.  In the south, they are upfront and let you know..they owned slaves tried to keep it that way and were proud of it......simple.  Now, the north fought for the end to slavery(supposedly), however, were a bit short sighted in that they didn't realize that all those now freed slaves would waunder up north to get a taste of that freedom the north promised.  Well, they had to be subtle about their racism, so blacks would be more "comfortable" living with other blacks and not in white neighborhoods where somebody besides themselves didn't want them to live.  That also went for schools, and even for churches, including the SDA church.  They wanted the blacks freed, but not to be freed anywhere near them.

They had funeral services for E. E. Cleveland today.  He told the story, many times, about his first day of work at GC in 1954.  They had no real job for him, but their had been protests and black members were on the rise, and expecting representation, so they had to do something.  Well, Elder Cleveland showed up to work, and they put him in an office and then they all disappeared to a meeting to find out what exactly he would do.  Well, Elder Cleveland came upon their meeting and stated the he needed something typed.  They looked around and said ok.  Elder Cleveland then called over to the regional conference office to let them know that GC would be calling them for someone who could be his secretary.  They assured him that they had none to spare.......as expected GC called, and they had no secretaries to spare.  They never wanted to ask one of the white secretaires to work for even a great Adventist Evangelist like E. E. Cleveland, he was black after all.  However, at this point they were stuck.  So they brought two secretaries before him and aksed which one would be willing to be his secretayr.  One caucasian American, than other a German.  The Caucsian lady siad she would quit before working for a black man.  The German lady concsented and was his secretary for many years.

.....and this incident happen within the "Remnant " church, the one of Bible prophecy.......Shoudl I also post the story of how regional conferences came into being? 

I said all that to say this, George and Tinka, if it were only a small group, then it is a small group comprised of all those in power, which is the same as everyone being reacist as they make the policies.  However, it isn't a small group, it is a large, powerful and very vocal group.  Some use logic and the fact that they have 3 black friends as a cover, some are in power devise laws to descriminate and segregate, some burn crosses, torture and kill, some refuse to sell or rent houses in particular neighborhoods, some follow the black people around the store while the white people walk out the door with a good portion of their merchandise.  Some live in little bedroom communities because it is "crime free" and the "schools are good",(sound familiar anyone?), but these communities conveniently near completely absent of blacks or any other minority.  See how this small group is growing?   Once again, maybe only a small portion actually hate all blacks, but the results are the same.

[The furor is no worse than the furor any president has had to face. The entire 8 years of the Bush presidency were filled with furor, protests, movies made against him and more. The first months of his presidency were chaotic with all the anger levelled against him. Would you say that this was because he is white? Yes, I heard people say things about his skin colour, but those were an angry little racist minority who hate anyone who is white.  There is an angry little minority who also hate anyone who is black. Big deal. Those people are usually vocal, but they mean nothing except to the paranoid few who see racists in anyone who disagrees with them. They all belong in the tabloids with the nuts who think JFK and Elvis are living with aliens on mars. Obama is just another President like Bush, Clinton, and all the rest. Nothing makes him any significantly different. Not even the colour of his skin.

[tinka]

Well DI,
I can agree on one thing. There are many just like you that will never get over the History that has been drilled and drilled into impossible and unchangeable ability for you to live in harmony.

I was not there or have any facts of what you say or Cleveland says about what happened. That may have been his view or what he thought for all I know the same as you talk. It would be the same as your outlook now. I am not denying that there are some like you say. But to call ones self an Adventist and still have these deep rooted and over and over stories of history does not give one a Christian ticket that still harbors what ancestors went through.

 Again whites have ancestors too that were burned at the stake. So, you do not give credit to whites that fought for equality of race. You forget if you follow politics that it is the democrats that leveled always against you and still are in hidden agendas that most do not venture to take the time and follow through. It was the republicans that truthfully fought for you.  And what do the blacks do but listen to that foolish agenda that promise and do nothing but keep then down in the long run.  When will you go in and find the facts of history that prove this? Who do you think keeps the education the way it is. The jobs, controlled through the unions. Evidently you do not read SOP much. The way I can tell this is that you do not tell the story of the North and the South the way it happened. Read the North and the South happenings and causes by Ellen G. White.

The blacks have been so lax at this that now the smooth talking, city slicker, polished politician, corrupted and giving you all the promise of wealth and health gaining your trust because he is HALF black is nothing more then a deceiver of the worst. And with your indoctrination of black history to be put away instead of keep using it will find you also deceived. The reason i can say this is because beyond doubt his agenda is not for a Capitalistic government or the American way that the forefathers were inspired to pen. Just that simple.

And the reasoning part of the law suit they are filing for his birth CERTIFICATE is this. IF HE IS LIGIT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM OF SHOWING ALL AND SAVING ALL??? IT IS ALL REDICULOUS AND ALL HE HAS TO DO IS GIVE THE PROOF of all credentials. WHY NOT?  Time will tell. IF there was 100% proof this would never have been an issue with some of these skeptics.

and Sabastian your showing your imature ignorance again why don't you dry up with your wine coolers.