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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2009, 08:53:37 AM »

Not always. Sometimes it is hidden behind closed doors. And you would never know by hearing a person speak.
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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2009, 07:14:37 PM »

Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2009, 06:10:22 AM »

Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!

dburt, I don't think Snoopy was the one who suggested that if the minors were consenting, somehow that might make a difference. Would you not agree that someone who feels that way might qualify as being Laodicean?
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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2009, 02:09:28 PM »

Why don't you inform them of this in the other site, which I now also sadly see and refer to as a smut site?

Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2009, 05:22:55 PM »

Huh?

I have no idea what you are talking about dburt.  However, one more post like this one and you will be taking a break!!  But I do hope you feel better soon.

Blessings,

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Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!
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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2009, 07:20:48 PM »

Delurking to send warm greetings and an article excoriating Mr. Copeland that was published in the Arkansas Democrat this past Monday....



Televangelist links wealth to strong faith
Tells of cookie from Jesus
By Frank Lockwood

Monday, October 12, 2009

LITTLE ROCK — The Bible is full of jawdropping dreams, visions and divine visitations, but none quite like this one, shared by televangelist Kenneth Copeland during a sermon at Little Rock’s Agape Church.

“The Lord woke me up in the middle of the night,” Copeland told worshippers on Sunday. “There stood Jesus with a huge tray and the tray was heaped with cookies, and he said, ‘Kenneth, have a cookie.’”

Grabbing for one of the bedtime snacks, Copeland says he replied: “I believe I will.”

If you have enough faith to move mountains, Copeland suggested, God can give you the desires of your heart: vigorous health, limitless wealth,unending happiness and eternal life - plus new airplanes and fresh-baked goods.

You believe. You receive.

“Have faith in God,” Copeland said over and over. “That’s God’s plan. Increase. Increase. Growth all the time. Better and better and better.”

As the national unemployment rate creeps toward double digits, Copeland argued that Christians should be exempt from economic downturns. “Big brother” Jesus “bore the curse of poverty” so that the rest of us wouldn’t have to scrape together nickels and dimes, Copeland argued. “We are family - joint heirs - with the wealthiest man that exists.”

Copeland, 72, who has his own airport, knows a thing or two about material abundance. The Fort Worth-areamultimillionaire flies around the world in a ministry-owned $20 million Cessna Citation X jet. He relaxes in an 18,000-square-foot lakeside parsonage. He drives luxury cars and owns a fleet of Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

His family has its own Texas-sized cattle ranch and his church has its own natural gas wells.

Many of Copeland’s followers are committed “tithers” - giving at least 10 percent of their earnings to religious organizations. Some give substantially more.

For his 70th birthday, Copeland and his wife, Gloria, reportedly received personal gifts totaling more than $2 million. (The ministry, while refusing to reveal the exact dollar total, says the gift was actually less than $2 million.)

Copeland, whose lavish spending is under investigation by the U.S. Senate Finance Committee, showedup roughly 15 minutes late for Agape Church’s morning worship service, entering just in time to pray for the sick and to recite the Agape Church donors’ creed.

The words, chanted in unison, echoed throughout the cavernous hall:

“The tithe guarantees financial favor.

“The tithe guarantees your covenant partnership with God.

“The tithe is proof of honor.

“The tithe is proof of obedience.

“The tithe silences the devourer in your life.

“The tithe guarantees consistent harvest on your seed.

“The tithe opens the windows of heaven ...”

Agape Church pastor Happy Caldwell urged everyone - including those facing poverty and hunger - to dig deep, promising God would supernaturally reward them.

During his sermon, Copeland mentioned the economy roughly 10 times, and said the federal government had triggered an “economic mess” by “departing from God.”

But Copeland said his ministry has escaped the ravages of recession. “Our income in the ministry has been going up,” he said.

The crowd peppered Copeland’s message with shouts of “Amen” and “Hallelujah.”

As Copeland wrapped up his sermon, he led worshippers in a chant: “I’m not cursed. I’m blessed. I’m not cursed. I’m blessed.”

Instead of an altar call, the service climaxed with a final financial solicitation - this one aimed at enriching the morning speaker.

The collection “plates” - plastic buckets adorned with the Agape Church logo - made an encore appearance.

“All the offerings,” Caldwell promised, “will go to Brother Copeland.”

Arkansas, Pages 7 on 10/12/2009

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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2009, 04:22:23 AM »

I think his fire is going to be plenty hot. Did you look on Youtube to see someone wrote a song telling of the false profits. I was glad to see that non adventist yet were not on there.  Just click on search then"false profits" and then click on the Olson one.

Maybe it is not to this extent that SDA's observe but it exists in our denomination too. You can start with DS.

It shows how people do not take on their own beliefs with invested study their self. They are followers and not fact finders for truth. It is terrible news to think how many will be lost because they do no get it themselves. They followed the pied pipper like mice.
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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2009, 12:48:24 PM »

Tinka, 

I'm not convinced these folks with the jet airplanes even believe in a Higher Power of any kind.  They may not believe there is any such fire as you suggest.  Their immortality comes from passing on the family name to their children and empire building.  That's why they literally worship their own family name to the exclusion of all others.

They may even have the family coat of arms on the wall. And if there is no coat of arms, they invent one.  I've seen that.  It becomes the "House of fill in the blank."

It's money, power, sex, fame, and immortality through procreation.

For these televangelists, God becomes just a tool to exploit people. Nothing more than that. One effective way televangelists take your money is to imply their connection to God is better than yours. After all, if they're getting the messages about plates of cookies, why aren't you? You give your money to them because they have a better "connection" to heaven than you do. I've seen a number of televangelist get the phone calls from Outer Space.  It pays well.  It pays very well, indeed.


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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2009, 01:35:34 PM »

Grasshopper,
I never thought of it that way or to that extent. I believe your right! Now I understand just how they can do it and live with it. That is really good explanation how life lives beyond the corruption of no return.
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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2009, 04:31:02 PM »

Delurking again Advent Talk friends....

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Breaking News from ABC:

Benny Hinn: 'I Would Not Do This for Money'
Evangelical Leader Under Senate Investigation Sits With 'Nightline' for Rare Interview

REALLY????  Mr. Hinn needs to prove it.  Give up all his luxeries and the money....then I might....might believe him.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/benny-hinn-evangelical-leader-senate-investigation-speaks/story?id=8862027
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Re: Charismatic Cult Leaders
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2009, 08:08:42 AM »

Not for money? What about money and prestige (being treated as a god among men)?
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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2009, 03:57:06 PM »

Lol! These guys claim to represent Jesus in their "ministry." Lets see...

A.  Hinn - a jet
     Jesus - sandals

B.  Hinn - a fleet of cars
     Jesus - a borrowed donkey (once)

C.  Hinn - multiple mansions
     Jesus - "nowhere to lay his head"

At what point did Jesus tell anyone to use him and his message as a tool for gaining wealth?

How about any of the televangelists or great leaders of "ministries?" The disparity I see between them and Jesus is vast.
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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2009, 01:37:13 PM »

They have been after Benny Hinn for years.  He seems to bounce back everytime.  In fact, he is not even phased most of the time.  People believe who and what they want to beleive.  Simple.
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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2009, 01:51:25 PM »

Which also seems to be true in regards to DS.

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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »

This is true, Daryl. People will simply choose to believe who they want to.  I don't believe Danny lives nearly the plush life of Benny Hinn, but Benny is a more entertaining show.  LOL!!!
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