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[Bob Pickle]

Just Curious,  What are the Adventist standards to which Danny is so opposed?  He may have fallen off the wagon as far as marraige went, but I see 3ABN(what little of I have seen) to be pretty fundamental in their adherence to SDA doctrine.

Danny is a liar. He could care less about morality. He looks for ways to use 3ABN funds to enrich himself, or pay for things he wants. He is a little bully who will not hesitate to threaten a non-Adventist pastor with a lawsuit, when that pastor is simply trying to protect children from being molested.

As far as doctrine goes, John Lomacang taught on August 10, 2006, that no human being on earth could correct Danny Shelton, or else they would get in trouble with God. That was rank heresy.

[tinka]

Birds of a feather flock together..DS and John 'cain.
I' m glad someone can watch what is going on and keep their stomach in tact.
I could not stand to watch it but at least we know what is being said and know this must be truth of facts.

[Emma]

A bit off topic but I just read this on the 3ABN website in the section The History of 3ABN..

Quote

President Danny Shelton hosts its flagship program, "3ABN Today."


Is that still true, that Danny is president?  If not perhaps the site should be updated.

[Rex]

A bit off topic but I just read this on the 3ABN website in the section The History of 3ABN..

Quote

President Danny Shelton hosts its flagship program, "3ABN Today."


Is that still true, that Danny is president?  If not perhaps the site should be updated.

Needs to be updated is my guess.

A quick look at the site revealed a Jim Gilley is president and the bit below.

Employment Opportunities

Website Developer

   3ABN is seeking a full-time website developer...

[Snoopy]

Hhmm - whatever happened to Steve Nelson anyway?  Did Sammy get him in trouble?

[dburt]

I gotta ask it one more time- Fran, Pickle, and the rest of you folks who spend your time rooting around in the garbage dump of old gossip going to get a life?? When are you going to re-direct your focus into something worthwhile instead of going over the old 3ABN stuff?? *********, do you not have anything better to do?? There is a world out there dying for lack of the good news of the Gospel, what are any of you doing to get the Good news out?? Instead you do all you can to get the Gossip news out. God did not call anyone to spread gossip an nauseum. He wants folks to do all they can to help hasten His return. Sorry, but what you do here is not doing that!! Here is a challenge- try and do something that will Hasten the Lord's return, not retard it! And Mr Pickle- me thinks thou dost protest too much about charismatic cult leaders. You yourself seem to have a bent in that direction. Wake up man, you are on dangerous ground and you think you are safe and secure. "...take heed lest you fall"!




Edited to remove slang reference to the name of God.

[Bob Pickle]

dburt,

The good news of the Gospel is that if we repent of our wickedness and seek to make restitution, we can be forgiven by God and saved at last.

Thus, Danny Shelton should repent of his many lies.

Danny Shelton should repent of his putting the Illinois Conference at risk, as well as 3ABN, by covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.

Danny Shelton should repent of using donor money for his own personal purposes, via book deals, real estate transactions, use of the 3ABN jet for personal purposes, and, apparently, 3ABN's payment of his personal legal expenses, and should seek to repay to 3ABN the money he got through these means.

Danny Shelton should repent of his knowingly divorcing his wife without having biblical grounds for doing so, erasing her from 3ABN, and falsely claiming that she was an adulteress. An apology is in order and would give evidence of his repentance.

Danny Shelton should repent of replacing Linda Shelton with Tommy Shelton, whom he knew was a pedophile.

Danny Shelton should repent of his rank hypocrisy of casting aside his lawfully wedded wife because she hid his gun, and kicking her out of 3ABN. I call it rank hypocrisy because it is in stark contrast to how he treated Tommy Shelton and Melody Shelton Mundall Firestone.

Danny Shelton is a little bully who needs to grow up and be a man and apologize for his corruption. He will find it to be very liberating when he does.

[Snoopy]

ADMIN HAT ON

dburt, how DARE you come in here and start blasting people who have an opinion and preaching about "hastening His return", yet in the same post you have the audacity to take His precious name in vain?  You need to watch your language here, and maybe check on that plank in your own eye...

ADMIN HAT OFF

I gotta ask it one more time- Fran, Pickle, and the rest of you folks who spend your time rooting around in the garbage dump of old gossip going to get a life?? When are you going to re-direct your focus into something worthwhile instead of going over the old 3ABN stuff?? *********, do you not have anything better to do?? There is a world out there dying for lack of the good news of the Gospel, what are any of you doing to get the Good news out?? Instead you do all you can to get the Gossip news out. God did not call anyone to spread gossip an nauseum. He wants folks to do all they can to help hasten His return. Sorry, but what you do here is not doing that!! Here is a challenge- try and do something that will Hasten the Lord's return, not retard it! And Mr Pickle- me thinks thou dost protest too much about charismatic cult leaders. You yourself seem to have a bent in that direction. Wake up man, you are on dangerous ground and you think you are safe and secure. "...take heed lest you fall"!




Edited to remove slang reference to the name of God.

[princessdi]

You guys are so funny!  First of all, Bob, the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ is not conditional.  The Gospel is Jesus born lived, died, and resurrected for our sins............while we were yet in our sins. 

Secondly, you can't tell Danny when to repent no more that anyone tells you when to repent.  God allows us all to come into the knowledge of a relationship with Him in HIS own time.  AND that is the first thing we must do is to "Sweep around our own front doors before trying to sweep around some else's"  There was an old song by that name. then wqe can be witnesses to others about what God has done for us...living witnesses....not living judges.  If you really want Danny to repent, then live the repentant life of one who has been redeemed before him. I am not sure, "how us the face of your minor step daughter so we can post it on the world wide web" among other things quite fit the bill of a good witness for God.

[Bob Pickle]

You guys are so funny!  First of all, Bob, the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ is not conditional.

Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy both teach that salvation is a free gift that is conditional upon my acceptance of it, as well as confession, repentance, and, where possible, restitution.

RH 04-24-88 even says that we are justified on condition of future obedience.

Secondly, you can't tell Danny when to repent no more that anyone tells you when to repent.

You are absolutely correct.

However, when a Danny clone tries to deflect legitimate concerns by appealing to the need to preach the gospel, regarding which 3ABN is supposed to be countering the counterfeit, I think it important to point out that the gospel requires Danny Shelton, as well as all of us, to repent if we are to be saved. This point, in my opinion, counters that diversion tactic.

[childoftheking]

http://www.ministrywatch.com/pdf/PR_Copeland_041208.pdf

[Bob Pickle]

http://www.ministrywatch.com/pdf/PR_Copeland_041208.pdf

Quite interesting, quite interesting. Let all take note.

MinistryWatch.com’s Rusty Leonard Responds To Copeland’s Request For An IRS Audit

Matthews, N.C.--On Saturday, April 12, Kenneth Copeland Ministries (KCM) issued a statement criticizing Sen. Charles Grassley’s investigation into the finances of six televangelists. Copeland said Grassley had no constitutional basis for many of the 42 requests he originally made last November.

Copeland’s statement also said he “would be willing to fully cooperate with the IRS to ensure that the requested information is provided in a timely and efficient manner.” However, Rusty Leonard, the founder and president of MinistryWatch.com, said the response from Copeland was “deceptive and misleading.”

According to Leonard, “Copeland is trying to create the impression that he is being cooperative, when in fact he failed to comply with 25 of the 42 requests for information from Sen. Grassley. Now, he wants the IRS to continue the investigation, but only because IRS investigations are confidential. Copeland doesn’t want the public or his donors to see what he’s been doing, and that’s alarming. It screams that he his hiding something from KCM donors and the public.”

Leonard said that Copeland was clever by asking for the IRS to intervene, because it is his best chance to hold Grassley and the media at bay. “For many years the IRS has been under-resourced when it comes to this kind of investigation,” Leonard said. “An IRS investigation could take years, will be completely out of the public eye, and may result in nothing more than fines for KCM. Copeland has made a business decision that it’s far better for him to deal with the IRS in secret than to face Sen. Grassley or ’60 Minutes’ in public. One can only wonder what he might be trying to hide from his donors.”

Copeland should “come clean,” Leonard said, and fully disclose all requested information to both Grassley, to the donors to KCM, and to the public. “The idea that Copeland is standing on some constitutional principle is simply a diversion,” Leonard said.

Leonard added: “Copeland’s complaint about Sen. Grassley’s right to ask for this information is nothing more than a sideshow. KCM donors themselves have every right to ask for this information and Copeland has a moral obligation, that overrides any constitutional issue, to provide it. Donors are fortunate that Grassley is using his position to act on their behalf. We would have no problem with Copeland not giving the information to Sen. Grassley as long as he made the information public. Hiding behind the veil of the IRS, however, is unacceptable.”

“Grassley is not the issue, it is the lack of accountability and transparency at KCM,” Leonard said.

For More Information: Warren Smith 704-661-9137

Thus, no one should be so gullible as to think that the IRS criminal investigation really exonerated Danny Shelton et. al. of everything, or that Ronnie Shelton was correct in saying that the IRS found not one single discrepancy or infraction.

[princessdi]

Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy both teach that salvation is a free gift that is conditional upon my acceptance of it, as well as confession, repentance, and, where possible, restitution.

RH 04-24-88 even says that we are justified on condition of future obedience.

Well, let's complete this thought.  It is conditional as it affects your life upon your acceptance.  If it is a free gift, then it is free.  It is there, you just have or have not accepted it.

I am not sure about the inptepretation from the RH reading.  It sounds a bit off in that it is not supported by the Gift of Jesus Sacrifice.  He saved us, died for us, while we were yet in our sins, not depending on future obedience. the ntire Plan of Salvation for was in the event man fell, not his future obedience, but his future disobedience.

Secondly, you can't tell Danny when to repent no more that anyone tells you when to repent.

You are absolutely correct.

However, when a Danny clone tries to deflect legitimate concerns by appealing to the need to preach the gospel, regarding which 3ABN is supposed to be countering the counterfeit, I think it important to point out that the gospel requires Danny Shelton, as well as all of us, to repent if we are to be saved. This point, in my opinion, counters that diversion tactic.

The problem is you believe that he has not repented, and you lack information or authority to make such a determination.  Nothing says you have to know at which point Danny repents to God, as he only has to repent to God alone.  You may never get that very public show of repentance you desire, as it is not owed.  It does not mean that repentance has not taken place.  God doesn't out your business ini the street like that.  You, we all, rest asured that your repentance is between you and God....so it Danny's.

[Bob Pickle]

Well, let's complete this thought.  It is conditional as it affects your life upon your acceptance.  If it is a free gift, then it is free.  It is there, you just have or have not accepted it.

I am not sure about the inptepretation from the RH reading.  It sounds a bit off in that it is not supported by the Gift of Jesus Sacrifice.  He saved us, died for us, while we were yet in our sins, not depending on future obedience. the ntire Plan of Salvation for was in the event man fell, not his future obedience, but his future disobedience.

The condition of future obedience is about the same as repentance. We are telling the Lord when we repent that we are planning not to do that again.

You can probably think of a lot of situations where a person or a human court would agree to pardon if the guilty showed remorse and intended not to repeat the offense.

Christ died regardless. But the ones He lets in the pearly gates are those who have allowed Him to change their hearts.

[Daryl Fawcett]

And what is in our heart is what most often also comes out of our mouths, or what is posted in the various forums of cyberspace.