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[Bob Pickle]

I've been wondering how people can become so deceived as to blindly support corrupt religious leaders such as Danny Shelton.

Here is "Esther," a 25-year-old follower of Wayne Bent. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23231/starving-for-wayne-bent. After Wayne was convicted in December 2008, she stopped eating.

Another video of "Esther" is at http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/02/strong-city-posts-its-video-of-esther-interview-with-kob-tv/.

So what was Wayne convicted of? National Geographic has their whole program on Wayne Bent at http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/feeds/cv-seo/Full-Episodes/Inside/Inside-a-Cult-1.html.

The original BBC movie of which the above is based upon is at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6509120662881681478.

It blows my mind that Wayne's son Jeff can so blindly follow Wayne, given the above footage. The human race must be a gullible lot.

[Murcielago]

The human race must be a gullible lot.

A sad amen to that.

[Bob Pickle]

The third video at http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/01/29/video-starving-womans-removal-from-cult-compound/ is where I think "Esther" tells the reporter she "lost all respect" for him.

Are there any parallels between the blind devotion some have given Danny Shelton and the blind devotion Jeff Bent, "Esther," and others have given Wayne Bent?

[tinka]

Bob,

Have been very busy in garden and thought I would get back to see what was happening.

I had no idea there was another SDA into this extreme fanaticism of having followers again.  All I can say is I am shocked again as "Waco" was bad enough. I watched the videos with great sickness of feeling for the followers and also mostly disgust to watch the ignorance of willingness to be brainwashed. When you have known truth, then walk away with eyes upon your own self and indulgences you will be led by Satan himself into the blindness of eternity, never to have the Holy Spirit to pass your way again. You will believe the lie and God will laugh at the Calamity that ones own selfishness possesses and refuses to relinquish.

We must all understand without doubt that people of ignorance and lacking education are sustained by ego and that does not mix with religion. They just cannot handle it. I have watched many of these people think they find a place of authority that appeals to them when they cannot and do not have the ability of common sense and all knowledge of understanding  Biblical Truth. This is why I do not like just lay people to enter leadership without complete education first before they dive into leadership or (pasturing.) THEY JUST CANNOT HANDLE IT and many are unstable and had unstable upbringing. Schools of education can syphon these individual out before degrees are given.  Yet churches think they must put all new members right to work and some think they can start preaching while the pews sit trying to understand how they got into the pulpit. We have counsel on this and now we see the affects of what can happen. Instead of Scripture they give opinions and stories is how you can tell.

This is really a scary situation for Adventist and they bring it on their selves by not following counsel. again I am just sick watching those videos.

Now, every evidence is there as I see it in wrong course taken by 3abn as they are seen with the Extravaganza and misconduct on a much wider scale of self indulgence and ego following the same pattern. And as I have discovered like in the videos IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FOLLOWERS TO TURN AROUND AS THEY HAD THE LIGHT IN THE BEGINNING BUT FELL TO THEIR OWN CLOSED IGNORANT MINDS OF WHAT WAS PLAIN TO SEE!  at least to outsiders. They refuse to see or except fact, and will not reason together just what did happen. THEY JUST CAN'T DO IT. They feed on the money pit that has been provided by deceivement of innocent people that Satan Himself gloats over.  Its the same following, the same pattern and the same distruction of lives.

I guess in a sense it was good these patterns were shown and info given so that maybe some ignorant minds can connect the actual facts of wrong roads taken.

How unstable can one get when you leave truth to your own interpretations. This is what I call a mark placed upon the SDA religion by outsiders (National Geographic) when these things are allowed to happen and just anyone is allowed to enter into sacred place of the pulpit. I am for the credentials of work and education. and then watch for the first sign of fanaticism (watch eating habits is the easiest one to watch) and see if the people start to follow the preacher. Reasonable in all things is the answer.  When you see pale, emancipated, weak and shaky that is a clue. If they do get him out. (Laugh) conferences do not do their job as long as the money is flowing.

3abn has upset me tremendously to also help mark the SDA of trouble, extravaganza, and pattern of no return with no acknowledgement or capable knowing wrong doing. But I am only nothing but a dot at the end of all this but am glad to be free for the time being to express what is seen.

On the biggest scale ever of followers and the adornment of one man, Look what it did to America!!!!!! and all the people followed...except a few! a few that was watching for the truth of a man's character, lifestyle, and agenda by previous history.  You got it----- America    You just did not want to look at History or the facts!   Same with 3 abn                          

Keep feeding them!!!

[Bob Pickle]

Thank the Lord that Wayne Bent is not an Adventist. Notice his clear departures from Adventist beliefs, including the idea of the spirit of Michael coming into him, the 70 week prophecy, the literalness of the second coming, etc.

[tinka]

I realize, but they made clear what Bent was out of and that is what hurts. And my issue is that these so called (guru s)?, getting old and my spelling wants to revert back to phonics.) do their own interpretation for their own lusts and desires and of course it must be the followers have the same desires.  OF course these are the reasons they break away in the first place. Their own agenda and junk.  Sickos that have let Satanic forces that trick them and feed them to think God is talking to them. Now that is what is called stuck to your self. The other misconception I discovered that they were trying to do  from video was "they were living perfect without sin on their own" (laugh) did they forget there is only ONE perfect! lying naked with the guru was real perfect uhh.  He is now where he belongs. where some others should be also.   That is what is seen in nakedness of the use of 3abn pew money. How, just how can they do it and live with it?  His own money uuhh, I believe I heard someone on this post say that. Holy money touched by dirty hands and dirty agenda. That is what you can see with the naked eye.

Then of course it is like those pulling their own chain, spending their (own?) donation money, and doing their own thing, money, sex, lies, propaganda and extravaganza spending all in the name of the same thing Bent does!!

I can just hear EGW if she was alive today. She already called a man nothing but a bent (crooked)stick. It made me laugh. Bent sure has the right name for his character. A Bent stick....that is what he is. And how important is a name??? I believe I would have changed mine.

[childoftheking]

The difference between a Wayne Bent situation and the 3ABN one is that 3ABN is looked upon by so many more people both inside and outside of  the church as being of divine origin. It is or was considered by almost the whole church to have been inspired and started by God and to be directly blessed by many miracles that to say that all is not as it has been represented to be is almost deemed by them to be blasphemy . No. I will take that back, this is considered to be blasphemy. And to be questioning 3ABN or Danny is thought to be sinning against the Holy Spirit.

Cult leaders such as Bent and Koresh may have relatively small followings. 3ABN has had a huge following. It has had acceptance and support from some of the highest political and financial powers within the church and still continues to have the support of many.

The reason that Waco was so important was that It affected public opinion about Seventh-day Adventists. This bad PR was somewhat mitigated by the church distancing itself from Koresh though SDAs were not totally cleared from a connection with the cult in the minds of many. The church did not have the potential PR and legal liability there that it has at 3ABN either because there was not intermingling of an independent entity with the denomination.

We are told that Satan will appear as an angel of light and perform miracles. Some of the miracle stories at 3ABN may be true or some may be exaggerated. That is not the point. Are we told to judge whether an organization is led by God by the miracles it claims? I was a great supporter of 3ABN and wondered why they were so active in winning souls when the church seemed so inactive. I am not promoting inactivity. Many have been brought into the church through 3ABN. The harm that bad PR can do is in direct proportion to the good it has done and the acclaim and media promotion that it has had.

King David did many good things. God chose him. God did not excuse his sin. Were there other sinners in the camp of Israel? God sent Nathan to David not to them because he was the king and the king influenced the whole nation. God chose Saul. Saul sinned. God did not excuse his sin. Saul tried to defend himself but God called him to account. David repented. God forgave even though the some of the result of David’s sin remained. And because David repented some of the potential damage done by his sin may have been averted. We do not know what exactly would have happened had he not repented. We do not yet know what potential damage may happen to the reputation of the church, to the reputation of God Himself and to opinion of what He condones.

[Fran]

I agree wholeheartedly, childoftheking! 

I fear for what the Lord will do!  No matter what it is, there will be those who will not listen to the truth.  It will be a crushing blow to Seventh-day Adventists in general.

I saw Danny on an older 3ABN on the Road I think.  It was before Melody married Greg Firestone, because a Firestone requested for her to sing the song she sang.  It was a song she and her song writer & one time lover wrote together. 

Then I got what they were doing! They must have searched to find a program where Brandy was there!  Danny mentioned Brandy sitting in the back!

Could it be that they want us to believe all is well on the split home front?    They need to come clean.  Too many people know.  A moving van is hard to hide!  Too many people saw it.  I hear Florida is very nice at this time of the year.

[Fran]

Oh yes, I haven't seen Danny lately!  Anyone know why?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Oh yes, I haven't seen Danny lately!  Anyone know why?

Announcement is pending...but it would be wise to let circumstances fully develop!!!

Let me simply say that someone may be facing a two front war!!! Or will it be three fronts??? Wonder who will pay the legal fees this time???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Bob Pickle]

Oh yes, I haven't seen Danny lately!  Anyone know why?

Danny was on the air last night, attacking La Sierra.

I have no problem with being upset about teaching evolution, but for Danny to be on the air griping about it doesn't make any sense. If he wasn't so vehemently opposed to basic Adventist standards, it would be a different matter.

That's my gripe. It appears to me that Danny has thrown basic Christian morality and standards and principles to the wind, and has adopted a Pharisaical counterfeit of the gospel. Until he returns to biblical Christianity and rejects the counterfeit, he really ought not to be criticizing others. And Jim Gilley shouldn't be allowing Danny to be on the air.

Perhaps what Danny is trying to do is distract everyone from asking, "Where's Brandy?" Perhaps he is looking for a hot button issue so people will still send him money so he can pay his lawyers.

Anyone have a count of how many lawyers Danny at. al. have used since 2002? They've had 9 in our lawsuit. I know of at least 2 or 3 in his case with Linda. Then there is the property tax case. There's been at least 4 in that one. But what the total is, I don't know.

[Rex]

The third video at http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/01/29/video-starving-womans-removal-from-cult-compound/ is where I think "Esther" tells the reporter she "lost all respect" for him.

Are there any parallels between the blind devotion some have given Danny Shelton and the blind devotion Jeff Bent, "Esther," and others have given Wayne Bent?

Danny Shelton and his religious programming teaches error. I also think it should be removed from the air, but, you can't be serious here?

ROFL!

[Bob Pickle]

Actually, I was serious.

In particular, I would think Walt Thompson's blind (or not so blind) allegiance to Danny Shelton is akin to Jeff Bent's blind (or not so blind) devotion to Wayne Bent.

Walt's devotion to Danny has baffled me since the beginning. He repeatedly denies the various allegations, including Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, and that to me sounds like Jeff Bent.

[princessdi]

Just Curious,  What are the Adventist standards to which Danny is so opposed?  He may have fallen off the wagon as far as marraige went, but I see 3ABN(what little of I have seen) to be pretty fundamental in their adherence to SDA doctrine.

[tinka]

Hmmm, the rich man was good in all things too,....except for one!