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[childoftheking]

I am almost afraid to try to bring new people into the church. I see people coming into the church, being baptized and then getting discouraged and dropping out. It is almost like they are vaccinated agianst the gospel by their time of coming into the church, being excited and then losing heart and leaving. I don't think it is so much seed falling on bad ground as much as it is some so called "christians"  or even ministers living immoral and/or greedy lives and being shameless about it.

There are those who don't want to believe that workers are merely moved rather than disciplined but I had it from a minister's second wife that if he had been willing to move, he could continue in the ministry - in Illlinois. He didn't have biblical grounds for divorce. Illinois isn't any different than other states in this respect. It isn't a new development . Has been going on at least since the 1950s.

[christian]

 What is so disturbing and infuriating about 3abn has been the fact that they reported themselves to be a tool for God with the motto "mending broken people." But anyone that has not been so brainwashed can understand that the way they treated Linda was ridiculous; I perfectly understand the anger that is directed against 3abn. However, as long as our church as a whole continues in the direction that it is going we will continue to see this type of situation continued on and on. What we have is a denomination that has the truth but is unable to perform it because of lack of power and direction. They take any miracle manufactured or true and label that as Gods approval of the church. But for the most part (I believe) God does not work miracles much more in the church because of our continued disbelief in our own doctrines. The most grievous sin of the church (I believe) is its desire to be excepted. The church has become self sustaining, meaning they have forgotten the goal is the preparation for the Lords return. Remember what the Jews said "it is better that one man should perish" than that they should lose there place. Here is the HOPE, Jesus is not dead and he will run the money exchangers out of the church. Unfortunately in the mean time let the buying and selling continue.---There is really no victory possible in the 3ABN saga because the fight is not being taken to those who are truly responsible (us) the church at large.

[tinka]

Yes, your right and that is what I saw Gailon and Bob and a few others doing. At least trying to bring the corruption  to the attention of the people.

[Bob Pickle]

How can the church say anything about Danny and 3ABN when they are as guilty as he.

I do not believe I have ever heard of any situation as bizarre as that of Danny Shelton.

Sure, there are problems. Such isn't new. The church of the apostles had Ananias and Sapphira committing fraud, Peter stopping eating with the Gentiles, Diotrephes improperly disfellowshiping people, etc.

But name an Adventist church leader or pastor who gave a globally televised tribute to a pedophile right after new allegations were made public, and who on global TV trashed a young woman who claimed she was sexually assaulted by him.

Make a list of all the allegations, and then see if you can find any situation within the church that comes even close.

[christian]

You, are so right I don't think anyone has been done wrong to that magnitude, partially because no one else has the means. But that doesn't lessen the fact that many of the things done, while on a lesser scale still have happen in the church at large. Plus you would have to say that the church was implicit in what was done also. Again, unless the church stands behind Danny he doesn't get away with what has been done. But the church has practiced suing their brethren so how can they fault Danny. I can tell you that there are churches that have pedophiles and practicing homosexuals and the like serving in positions of authority. Now to the stage that one is allowed to serve to is dependent on the modems used, television etc... However that does not make the church any less guilty of the crimes committed in the name of God. Again, the church must be held responsible because they have in their power the ability to change the situation. But for the far less crime (in their site) of placing a billboard and offending another denomination they will subject their own to imprisonment. Moreover there crime is greater than Danny's in that they denied the Spirit of Prophecy before the entire world or at least in Florida. And they have trademarked the name Seventhday Adventist as to imprison you in the future in the name of God.

[tinka]

But the church has practiced suing their brethren so how can they fault Danny.

Just wondering about the word "brethern"used by a couple of posters. Maybe I am wrong but isn't this a case where other denomenation wants to use our "Adventist" name? 

I just thought  the word "brethern" meant to be "equally yoked". I never really thought as other denomenations as "brethern". I consider unequally yoked as "neighbor".  So just in terms of understanding. It would be ok to charge interest to "neighbor" but not to "brethern". Right??

[Little Grasshopper]

I can tell you that there are churches that have pedophiles and practicing homosexuals and the like serving in positions of authority.

One of the things I hope Adventists get away from doing is lumping everybody into categories of sin.  For instance, "pedophiles and practicing homosexuals and the like."

I think if I listed "crooks and Jews" as examples of people who are not born-again Christians, I would be linking the two in a way that doesn't help the Jewish community very much.

Secondly,  gays prefer the term "gay" to "homosexual,"  the same way African-Americans prefer Black to Negro.

Humorously, there's a web site maintained by a fundamentalist religious group that refuses to use the term "gay."  Every time they print a news story that has the word gay in it, their employees are ordered to change the word gay  to homosexual. Tyson Gay smashed the American record in the 100 meters by six hundredths of a second. On the fundamentalist web site it is Tyson Homosexual who did it.
 
If any of you are planning any ministry outreach to the gay community you might find this information helpful.  Best of luck to you all.

The Little Grasshopper

[Fran]

I can tell you that there are churches that have pedophiles and practicing homosexuals and the like serving in positions of authority.

One of the things I hope Adventists get away from doing is lumping everybody into categories of sin.  For instance, "pedophiles and practicing homosexuals and the like."

I think if I listed "crooks and Jews" as examples of people who are not born-again Christians, I would be linking the two in a way that doesn't help the Jewish community very much.

Secondly,  gays prefer the term "gay" to "homosexual,"  the same way African-Americans prefer Black to Negro.

Humorously, there's a web site maintained by a fundamentalist religious group that refuses to use the term "gay."  Every time they print a news story that has the word gay in it, their employees are ordered to change the word gay  to homosexual. Tyson Gay smashed the American record in the 100 meters by six hundredths of a second. On the fundamentalist web site it is Tyson Homosexual who did it.
 
If any of you are planning any ministry outreach to the gay community you might find this information helpful.  Best of luck to you all.

The Little Grasshopper

I can see where many would not want to be branded as anything.  However, there are those individuals with traits that harm others.  They should be branded

According to the facts put forth, we could just say:

Danny Shelton, the pedophile
Danny Shelton, the thief
Danny Shelton, the adulterer
Danny Shelton, the liar
Danny Shelton, the blackmailer
Danny Shelton, the non-denominational christian
Danny Shelton, the one that feels the 10 commandments were not for him
Danny Shelton, the commandment breaker
Danny Shelton, the commandment breaker
Danny Shelton, the breaking of people
Danny Shelton, the man to fear
Danny Shelton, the womanizer ...

I could go on forever. 

I believe Danny should be required to wear a shirt, with all of the characteristics set forth in documented facts, so the world will be warned, don't you think.  That is my opinion.

[tinka]

Hmmmm, I don't know about that Bob. There are some really bizarre things happening within local yokels. It's just that DS is the "large scale king".

[Bob Pickle]

Again, the church must be held responsible because they have in their power the ability to change the situation.

In the case of Danny Shelton, the church as a whole does not have the ability to change the situation, since there is no direct control of 3ABN by the church.

However, John Lomacang could bring the issue of the necessity of discipling Danny Shelton before the Thompsonville church. Some of the members there may be afraid of losing their jobs, but John and those members do have a moral obligation to cleanse the camp of the vile sin that Danny Shelton refuses to let go of.

But for the far less crime (in their site) of placing a billboard and offending another denomination they will subject their own to imprisonment.

I don't recall anyone being imprisoned for placing a billboard.

Moreover there crime is greater than Danny's in that they denied the Spirit of Prophecy before the entire world or at least in Florida.

How was that done? How did the "church" do that?

[christian]

Without, giving away where I live, the church wrote a paper in response to allegations that they were bashing the Catholic church, (and they copied a section of the great controversy), by saying "we no longer hold to those principles." In the Florida interview the pastor, Cox stated when reference was given to Ellen G. White saying we would have to flee the cities "that would be an extreme view". On the Oreilly factor when interviewing an Adventist from Florida, the church in written form denied the writing of the great controversy dealing with the roll of the Catholic Church. One would have to be completely blind and unlearned to not be able to recognize that the church is running away from the writings of Ellen G. White.

[amazinggrace]

I read that Brandy Shelton filed for divorce from Danny around August 5.  Any truth to this? 

[Fran]

Haven't seen the filing yet, but it is not a surprise.  She did leave him. 

Wonder what her settlement will be.   

My guess is that this one will be a BIG one!  I am guessing it will be much more than Linda got for 19 years.

I wonder what the grounds are going to be?

I wonder if he has already chosen Brandy's replacement?

Only time will tell if the divorce was biblical!

[Snoopy]

One can't help but wonder if he commited spiritual adultery and drove her away...

[tinka]

I don't look for Brandy to gain that much money from the pews awarded by the court for settlement as she was not married long enough to DS.  Of course, unless the possibility of child support comes into view. She knew that Danny was married in the 17 years of chasing him, He claims??? Think the donors will still help him out??? or is the money pit getting too tight and the shopping days are over.  Did they give Linda anything or she was forced for shillings under complete duress.  Time is the factor for all truth to be brought into circle.  In DS old age of experience he should have observed this pattern. But guess he was too busy in cover ups. That does take full time attention I guess.

And as far as John 'cain. He did not stand up the first time for right so why would he now? His credibility is gone too. Like the pattern goes, many can be tested by just "one".