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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2009, 11:47:29 AM »

I have been noticing some big changes going on.

Maranatha is moving, ARISE is moving, Amazing Facts is now a Corporation.  Then there is one more ministry I can't think of right now.  I do believe I see everyone gathering around Doug Bachelor and Wiemar.

I am hearing about a nursing school.  The college, Nursing school, evangelistic training, ...

The conglomerate is lined up and moving together.  Is ASI moving?

Then yesterday I got to watch Doug Bachelor sit in a group with Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and one other person.

My question:  Is Danny going to be in this conglomerate?

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2009, 12:06:19 PM »

Now that would be disastrous and totally blind of truth. I will be watching also. 3abn came on hope channel with ASI yesterday. I am concerned also about this. Mark Finley as vice president of ASI ?? or am I mistaken?  How far are they going to go with this.  If they all go along with DS,  I am out of this circus and money pit. I hope this is not the case. What is wrong with all this??? For sure Jesus is coming soon when His church suffers this blow.
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2009, 02:47:10 AM »

Believe me 3abn and the rest are just the tip of the iceberg. I keep trying to tell people that the corruption is not only in 3abn camp but also in the rest of the lot. I can remember years ago attending a constituancy meeting and this doctor came up front and confronted the then outgoing president of the conference and told him he needed to stop trying to control the members and that he knew what he was doing and that he was out of line. I did not understand what the later part of his statement meant until years later when the truth came out about the nature of the man. Adventist by in large are a sad lot, they have been told that salvation only comes through the church instead of the truth that salvation only comes through Jesus Christ. The reason that many in the pew will not stand up to them is two fold. First, they see their own sins and because of that they become afraid that their dirt will come out in the long run. Secondly they believe the lie that they must stay on the ship and pay tithe or they are lost. They equate themselves and the seventhday adventist church as being the ship thus no matter how evil they become no one can say anything because the church is the apple of Gods eye the object in which his love is directed. But the true ship is Jesus and he is the captain and can put anyone on ship or off ship as He sees fit. Have you ever wondered where the miracles of healing were? Why does the church lack power, real power? Because they practice a form of godliness and deny the power thereof. Men often try to take the place of God by bestowing on themselves the perogatives that only belong to God. And the poor pew siter has such a lack of trust in God he leaves the church to unconverted men and women with hardly a whimper because he is afraid and does not trust in God.
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2009, 04:48:53 AM »

I have been noticing some big changes going on.

Maranatha is moving, ARISE is moving, Amazing Facts is now a Corporation.  Then there is one more ministry I can't think of right now.  I do believe I see everyone gathering around Doug Bachelor and Wiemar.

I am hearing about a nursing school.  The college, Nursing school, evangelistic training, ...

The conglomerate is lined up and moving together.  Is ASI moving?

Then yesterday I got to watch Doug Bachelor sit in a group with Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and one other person.

My question:  Is Danny going to be in this conglomerate?



Television is thought of as a powerful tool. Those who control a TV outlet think they have unlimited power - and many, perhaps too many - agree with them.
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2009, 06:22:40 AM »

The church has become, at this time in history and so close to the Lords coming, so unrecognizable.......I really think that it is time to really examine WHAT CONSTITUTES A CHURCH?????  then is becomes very clear................The church is not a building, a conference, a pastor, an organization.......and that is what it has become...............I love MY Historic believing, following the truth, church...and that certainly sets me apart from most people I know....I have family who think I ill be lost because I do not belong to a corporation owned church.........but you know....God's people are a PECULIAR PEOPLE....so I feel like I am part of God's peculiar family.......no wonder there will be such a small hand full in the end.................
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2009, 10:00:39 AM »

I have been noticing some big changes going on.

Maranatha is moving, ARISE is moving, Amazing Facts is now a Corporation.  Then there is one more ministry I can't think of right now.  I do believe I see everyone gathering around Doug Bachelor and Wiemar.

I am hearing about a nursing school.  The college, Nursing school, evangelistic training, ...

The conglomerate is lined up and moving together.  Is ASI moving?

Then yesterday I got to watch Doug Bachelor sit in a group with Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and one other person.

My question:  Is Danny going to be in this conglomerate?



Television is thought of as a powerful tool. Those who control a TV outlet think they have unlimited power - and many, perhaps too many - agree with them.

I do not see you mentioning your Hope channel , owned and controlled by your hierarchy being mentioned here. Aren't all of those programs on the Hope channel?
The SDA organization is known for lawsuits and exerting control. A cultic tactic as you "SDAs" are so fond of pointing out to Catholics. The latest lawsuit being against a small Jewish group who have "adventist" in their name although nothing else in common except the jewish Sabbath, not even the pronunciation of the word Adventist or the meaning of it.

I seem to remember forum discussions about your Adventist organization trying to establish control over 3ABN's content, and broadcasts some years back. 3ABN remained independent as I recall although their programming is obviously supportive of your church traditions and older doctrines. More so I have observed than the official Hope channel who is progressing in the right direction. It is fairly obvious from that, that 3ABN does not tell your hierarchy what they can teach or broadcast.

If you all don't like 3ABN then just change the channel there are more important things to worry about in my opinion.



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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2009, 10:09:31 AM »

Well, I agree with all both said. The only thing that Adventist have over then others is the true DOCTRINE. Now what they do with that is another ball game. Some take it beyond recognition and into fanaticism.  Some become very liberal until you see no resemblance left.  It is not hard to stay in the road if you are truly looking to do His will and be reasonable in all things as we are instructed.

The problem is taking our additional counsel of SOP in just some paragraphs and some sentences litterally and then revise the meaning for all time. an Example.  One sentence says "you should not eat another egg" but if you read the whole chapter it states a letter to an obese family. Then in other places she states that an egg is essential to fight some deceases especially in children."  Then it states we should not make ourselves weak until the demand states it. But man has taken the position now to "encourage the demand" instead of waiting on the Lord .  We have even treated our cats and dogs on the farm with eggs."   IF people do not read the whole book and just spots, they need to stay out of them as then they conclude their own opinion.

Not only have I found great termoil in following this saga and more as you state, we personally have felt great sting from the association of these same kind of people. No one has tried to help, no one wanted to come to forefront to stop the great injustice the people within the church has done to us personally and to family members. and yet we still attend only because WE BELIEVE TRUTH.  It is so bad that I become sick at the moment of seeing certain faces. Not that I hate them or have revenge but what we went through is not forgotten as a lesson. It was destruction of our lives of hard work for the benefit of others.  

But anyways. So the saga goes on and on and the hard working, honest people still give for the benefit of the "Extravaganza and lifestyle" of others claiming it is their own money and most of it does not reach the intentions of the pews.

It is amazing when EW even wrote about the very rejection of our last counsel. But then again less and less appreciate the last message before the coming.  This basically is how I know the condition of the organized church just before and the timing appears right. It is the people only that is now God's church. Knowing all this, I no longer take pride in the appearance of the church trying to please the people, in music, preforming, dress and copying the world with their endeavors.  So altimately we  just try to keep on the road and realize we are not out of the sight of angels and God in our appearance and actions.  Guess we should not be alarmed though as we were told it was going to go this way so here we are.
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2009, 10:20:00 AM »

Rex,
As I was posting your post came in and all I can say is whatever you think it may behove you to make sure you also are on the side of TRUTH OF DOCTRINE.  There will be no excuse for not knowing it. We cannot be judged by monkey see and monkey do and make it to the gates but by our individual "will "of what is truth and how we stood up with it. And beyond all doubt it is not with the majority.....
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2009, 10:26:42 AM »

The latest lawsuit being against a small Jewish group who have "adventist" in their name although nothing else in common except the jewish Sabbath, not even the pronunciation of the word Adventist or the meaning of it.

Do you have a link?

I seem to remember forum discussions about your Adventist organization trying to establish control over 3ABN's content, and broadcasts some years back.

I've heard this said, but I don't know of any proof for it. Do you know of any? If it's based on what Danny et. al. has said, I can't consider that proof.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 04:09:51 PM »

The first example of the GC trying to "take control" of 3ABN is said to be Folkenberg in 1992 trying to get Al McClure to be a 3ABN Board member.

Is the date of 1992 just a coincidence? Or does it suggest concern by the GC after Derrell and Melody Mundall told then IL Conf. president about various irregularities and improprieties, including about Tommy Shelton's problems?

Do you know of anything out there that would firmly demonstrate that there was an attempted takeover? Just asking that an NAD official be put on the board doesn't seem to cut it. And besides, 3ABN eventually did put Ralph Thompson on, but 3ABN hasn't claimed that it's been taken over by the denomination.

So is the attempted takeover story really accurate? And if it is, was there a valid reason for wanting to put 3ABN under some sort of oversight, such as financial and moral improprieties on the part of the Shelton gang?
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 05:07:52 PM »

The first example of the GC trying to "take control" of 3ABN is said to be Folkenberg in 1992 trying to get Al McClure to be a 3ABN Board member.

Is the date of 1992 just a coincidence? Or does it suggest concern by the GC after Derrell and Melody Mundall told then IL Conf. president about various irregularities and improprieties, including about Tommy Shelton's problems?

Do you know of anything out there that would firmly demonstrate that there was an attempted takeover? Just asking that an NAD official be put on the board doesn't seem to cut it. And besides, 3ABN eventually did put Ralph Thompson on, but 3ABN hasn't claimed that it's been taken over by the denomination.

So is the attempted takeover story really accurate? And if it is, was there a valid reason for wanting to put 3ABN under some sort of oversight, such as financial and moral improprieties on the part of the Shelton gang?

I heard Danny Shelton talk about the attempted takeover on several occasions.
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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2009, 02:17:29 AM »

Tinka, you are soooooo correct we should not be surprised at the condition of the church because we have the SOP and the bible telling us that it would be this way. Its just the human part of us, me, still finds it hard to believe. We recently had a picnic at our church to include the community and there was sooooo much meat there. The funny thing is that they said they were preparing it as to not offend the taste buds of the guest from the community, but the only people devouring the meat were Adventist (us). Then as I was walking pass the pastor called me to ask if I had tasted the ribs and how good they were. I understand that (we) each have individual temptations and things we have to overcome but do we have to blatantly disreguard SOP ???


What I am trying to express is that 3abn probably feels as worthy as any other to be the pillar of the Adventist Church. Since it is evident that by in large (though not all) do far worse than they and are excepted.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2009, 03:43:05 AM »

Christian,
If you read far enough it also states that people who are followers can only go as far as their leader, talking of the preachers. So therefore they should know that they will be accountable to leading the people in the ways of the world. I learned very young to be your own individual self and not follow but let God lead your thinking and still we make mistakes by emotional situations. The times I am angry over all this is my thinking!  Guess I still need the Lord to help me.  It is a shame and that is why you have the protection of 3abn by the "money pit". This life has been sad because my thoughts were always of Jesus and what he taught. and yet we left the creeps that hide under the SDA cloak creep in and take what was given to us in the first place and using our trust in the SDA name sort of thing. It has been a test for sure. and why did we expect the individuals from the church to come to our aid when we gave aid I'll never know. Even now there is enough Intelligence in the SDA church that still could have helped us in the fraud situation that finalized the ending of taking all we owned by political agendas. We approached several and still no Samaritan for us that would even think of suggestion for help.

 There was a SDA attorney that is now in California that only sent us to a worldly one and he took our money and it happened to be one for the opposite side. (laugh). What help!  We even asked one great man  of whom we all know of if he would have any suggestions on who we might contact for some advise but only got back an answer that we were possibly asking him and he could not help and. that was not so . We thought he just might know of someone who we could get advise or help from. Now we find he is a millionaire.  (Laugh) with our assets,so were we at one time)

Eating pork would be like eating snake meat to me as I never have eaten it but to people that are trying to get away from eating it.......how much of an idiot preacher do these people put up with. I know the feeling of despair to watch the people follow off into the abyss setting in the pews listening to sermons to tickle their ears. Now I see Hope Channel following suit for outside people. Not setting example for what we long ago believed but now for the New age agenda and to please the world.  

My struggle is to know all injustice done to people and feel their pain. I get angry.  I want to  fight back for the benefit of what is right but in my older age now, I see finality coming and still want people to turn around as My imagination of horror to the loss of eternity is very overwhelming at the discovery of tooo late to see. I am constantly worried over my own salvation and imperfections as the more I see Jesus the more sin I think I have. Sometimes you feel rejection at the trials. Sorta somewhat I suppose like Jesus felt at the feeling of  separation of the Father at the Crucifixion. Our Savior endured the ultimate. But we are human and when it hurts love that was a gift of your life an total suffering it seems overwhelming. Could this be a reason why some people reject "Love" ??  Just a thought!

And for added thought, someone just sent me this article and hope i am not doing wrong by showing this but here it is just to let people see how really close things are. I remember reading a book called "Sunlight" and now this looks like reality happening.


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Re: Is 3ABN a Pillar of the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2009, 11:53:13 AM »

The first example of the GC trying to "take control" of 3ABN is said to be Folkenberg in 1992 trying to get Al McClure to be a 3ABN Board member.

Is the date of 1992 just a coincidence? Or does it suggest concern by the GC after Derrell and Melody Mundall told then IL Conf. president about various irregularities and improprieties, including about Tommy Shelton's problems?

Do you know of anything out there that would firmly demonstrate that there was an attempted takeover? Just asking that an NAD official be put on the board doesn't seem to cut it. And besides, 3ABN eventually did put Ralph Thompson on, but 3ABN hasn't claimed that it's been taken over by the denomination.

So is the attempted takeover story really accurate? And if it is, was there a valid reason for wanting to put 3ABN under some sort of oversight, such as financial and moral improprieties on the part of the Shelton gang?

I heard Danny Shelton talk about the attempted takeover on several occasions.

No doubt.   You may not talk to them, but I heard it from several others that they had originally heard about it from Danny Shelton's ex-wife, Linda, and ex-son in law, Darrall Mundall, as well as several others also. It was documented on more than a few Adventist forums as well as in Adventist media when it was all going on.  From this I gather that despite the question posed to me, and the surmising, it seems to be a well established and uncontroversial fact that the Adventist hierarchy tried to take control of 3ABN's programming and content as that kind of thing  is what they are known for.



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