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[Bob Pickle]

Who is president of 3ABN? Anyone know? Can you prove it?

Why do I ask? I believe it was on September 6, 2007, that Danny Shelton et. al. announced on 3ABN that Jim Gilley was no president.

However, Larry Ewing on September 26, 2007, signed the annual report 3ABN must file with the state of Michigan, which then was received by Michigan on October 1, 2007. Page 2 of that form says that Danny Shelton is president. See the form at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-44.pdf.

According to http://www.michigan.gov/dleg/0,1607,7-154-35299_35413-136482--,00.html, Larry was required to report who was president as of the due date of the report, which according to the report was October 1, 2007:

Q.  If the corporation officers and/or directors change after I file my report, do I need to file another report for the same year?

A.  Only one filing is required for each report year.  The updated information would be provided on the next report owed by the corporation.  The information on the report or statement (officers/directors, purposes, resident agent, registered office, etc.) should reflect information as of the due date of the report.

Larry Ewing moved on, and Brian Hamilton took his place. Brian filed the following form with the state of Florida on April 16, 2008: http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-45.pdf. He reported how he had replaced Larry Ewing as "T" for treasurer. He also reported Danny as "PD" for president/director.

I find it highly unlikely that Brian Hamilton, who had I believe been a treasurer for a conference, would have been so sloppy as to falsely state that Danny was president when Jim Gilley was. And not that Larry left and Brian came onboard long after Jim allegedly replaced Danny.

Thus, based on these official filings by 3ABN with two different states, Danny is still president, and Jim Gilley is not. Therefore, people who think that things have changed, that there is a new administration, have been suckered and deceived.

[Bob Pickle]

But it isn't that simple to figure out what is really going on.

Brian Hamilton filed the above form on April 16, 2008. 15 days earlier Jim Gilley signed an ownership report filed with the FCC. See it at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-185-6.pdf.

Jim certified that he was president, and listed Danny Shelton as vice-president.

I seem to recall that after we raised the question of why Danny was listed as vice-president, that Mollie Steenson was made VP.

At any rate, it is difficult to find out the truth of what is going on at 3ABN. Jim and Danny tell the public that Danny is no longer president, then Larry tells Michigan that Danny still is president, then Jim tells the FCC that Jim is president, then Brian tells Florida that Danny is president.

If they are going to be telling the public such drastically contradictory statements, I don't see how members of the public can trust them with their money.

[Bob Pickle]

We raised questions about who was president in court filings last October, and in our appeal this spring. I truly would like to know what is going on. Anyone know?

[Daryl Fawcett]

We can only go by what appears under their name on 3ABN.

[Fran]

I believe we should rely on documentation to tell the truth.   They lie right in front of God and to the viewers on the air.  Jim Gilly calls Danny the founder and consultant.  They lied about Linda, Johann, Brandy and many other things!  Yet, I still see Danny on the TV!  He is not gone by any means. 

Here he is divorced again!  He is still not gone!

What I see on 3ABN is not worth believing.  However, for those just reading the screen believe Danny is gone.  Yet he is not!  Viewers have no clue.  Jim would not lie according to many.  Sorry about that folks!

I agree with Daryl, for those who just watch TV have to believe the lies that are on the big screen!

[princessdi]

Well, seeing as Danny is still co-founder, and the only co-founder left there at the moment(no telling what kind fo twist this mess might take), he can appear on his network anytime he gets ready.   Why did any assume because Danny stepped down from president, and being visible each and everyday, that he would disappear?

[Murcielago]

True that!

[Lorraine]

wHO IS PRESIDENT OF 3abn?  wHO IS CO-FOUNDER?  iS dANNY DIVORCED AGAIN AND FROM WHOM?

[Bob Pickle]

Lorraine,

While we have it from good sources that Danny and his third wife Brandy are separated, we don't know that they have divorced at this point in time. They were talking about splitting up by the fall of 2007.

Linda Shelton and Danny Shelton are supposed to be co-founders of 3ABN. Some believe Kenny Shelton should be listed as a co-founder.

Who is president? I'd still like to know that. The board minutes of the fall of 2007 would be helpful in that regard, but Simpson refused to give them to us.

We have some official documents saying that Jim Gilley is president, and other official documents saying that Danny is president.

It is also helpful to remember that there are a lot of 3ABN organizations. I would like to know who are the officers and directors of each and every one of those organizations.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

We can only go by what appears under their name on 3ABN.

Daryl,

What is on a screen on television, the lal la land of America, is not the "official" record...documents submitted to governmental enetities under penalty and pain of perjury should be the true and correct "official" documents, right? Or wrong? But, then, what is a little perjury at 3ABN??? After all, Danny repeats repeatedly that they are there to "counteract the counterfeit", which leads one to wonder just what is real and what is counterfeit??? Is there any real at all in the land of Televangelism???

Could IAN enlighten us, or further add to the dillusion?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Pat Williams]

Who is president of 3ABN? Anyone know? Can you prove it?

Jim Gilley. Well all at 3abn, including their board, say and believe he is, and he has the President's office there,and if you need to talk to or have a meeting with the 3abn president you are directed to that office and your phone calls and emails are directed to and answered by him, as President. And Jim Gilley claims to be the president, and travels, does appearances and acts as the 3abn President, and their website says he is, and he appears on all their broadcasts in person and in the credits, or ministry publications as President. Can you prove he's not? Of course not... This is a joke, right?

Why do I ask? I believe it was on September 6, 2007, that Danny Shelton et. al. announced on 3ABN that Jim Gilley was no president.

You must mean that they announced that "Jim Gilley was *now* president." ?

However, Larry Ewing on September 26, 2007, signed the annual report 3ABN must file with the state of Michigan, which then was received by Michigan on October 1, 2007. Page 2 of that form says that Danny Shelton is president. See the form at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-44.pdf.

Wow, was the form filed for the period that DS was still acting as 3abn President, or did the state of Michigan just not have their files updated? and does that change the info which was required to be filed or necessary, or are you just quibbling and getting out your microscope in order to try and find fault, and create a problem when there isn't one?

Looks like that to me... and sorry, but you and your arguments look funny to me also...

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[Bob Pickle]

Wow, was the form filed for the period that DS was still acting as 3abn President, or did the state of Michigan just not have their files updated?

That form is supposed to be filed to inform Michigan when changes are made. If Jim Gilley really was president at that time, then Ewing should have filled out the form accordingly.

It's Ewing's problem, not the state of Michigan.

I see you made no comment as to Brian Hamilton reporting to the state of Florida 6 months later than Danny Shelton was still president.

[Pat Williams]

Wow, was the form filed for the period that DS was still acting as 3abn President, or did the state of Michigan just not have their files updated?

That form is supposed to be filed to inform Michigan when changes are made. If Jim Gilley really was president at that time, then Ewing should have filled out the form accordingly.

It's Ewing's problem, not the state of Michigan.

I see you made no comment as to Brian Hamilton reporting to the state of Florida 6 months later than Danny Shelton was still president.

You certainly major in minutia, Mr Pickle. This is all I have to say here as this whole topic is just plain ridiculous and petty, and a waste of time to me. Most normal people who have had any kind of dealings with financial filings and reports (such as Ewing - for one) know that annual filings are usually filed for the previous fiscal year. Fact: Danny Shelton was the acting President in 2006, and for most of 2007 as reported in 2007. You shouldn't have even expected to find Jim Gilley listed until the following year.  Again, move on, and stop trying to make mountains out of molehills and create problems when there really aren't any.

[Bob Pickle]

If you believe that reporting anything other than the current officers is legally permissible in both Florida and Michigan, then by all means quote the applicable form instructions or statutes. But I do recall the instructions for at least one of those forms stating otherwise.

The problem is that Danny is a liar, and pretty devious. Thus, when one runs across these discrepancies, it is fair to ask questions.

[princessdi]

So, to be clear, there should not be financial fillings and reports with Jim Gilley's name as president until they filed in 2009 for financial filings and reports in 2008.

That make perfect sense to me.  I just have one question.  What would happen for 2007 when they both served, would that just be noted when Pastor Gilley to over?
Having someone what of a finance background, this is just a question for information sake.

You certainly major in minutia, Mr Pickle. This is all I have to say here as this whole topic is just plain ridiculous and petty, and a waste of time to me. Most normal people who have had any kind of dealings with financial filings and reports (such as Ewing - for one) know that annual filings are usually filed for the previous fiscal year. Fact: Danny Shelton was the acting President in 2006, and for most of 2007 as reported in 2007. You shouldn't have even expected to find Jim Gilley listed until the following year.  Again, move on, and stop trying to make mountains out of molehills and create problems when there really aren't any.