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[Cindy]

"quality programming" would include filming AND content. 

IMO GRAT you need to stop. To be blunt, You obviously know less than Johann about this.

That was spoken just like so many here who claim to know what's what, and argue without a leg to stand on.

You don't know the people involved, haven't talked to them, don't know what the conversation was or what they meant, and NEVER bothered to investigate as you were just told you could easily do,( no one told you to go ask 3abn who you'd never believe anyway, go ask Gospel outreach..) but still you arrogantly correct others, and claim to know what was meant. NOT.

You all truly live in your own little world and your own little reality here.

 

[Daryl Fawcett]

Unless somebody has facts to the contrary, based on what Junebug posted I don't see any reason not to accept what she posted here about this.

[Bob Pickle]

Unless somebody has facts to the contrary, based on what Junebug posted I don't see any reason not to accept what she posted here about this.

I seem to recall Junebug more than once clearly making statements that weren't so. And then there is her great hesitancy to say that even if the minor was consenting, child molestation is still wrong.

So I wouldn't want to accept anything Junebug says unless she can provide some sort of solid, convincing, documentary support.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Asking Junebug for some sort of solid, convincing documentary support is fair, provided that when Junebug requests the same, it will be given.

[Johann]

I have spoken with a Gospel Outreach Board member and what Johann said is not correct information. 

1) Linda Shelton did NOT help collect any funds for Gospel Outreach. You are mixed up. She helped with Blue Mountain TV (Hope) to collect funds for them at a later date. She did not collect any funds for Gospel Outreach.  These are two different entities.

2) 3ABN did not "close down" the work of Gospel Outreach. The GO Board member spoke with Jim Gilley who told them they had "poor quality programming" and that they needed to upgrade. Gospel Outreach is in the process of meeting these standards set by 3ABN.  This was between Jim Gilley and GO Board, Danny didn't even know about it.  The GO Board member who spoke to me said their programming did need to improve and that this was a goal of theirs so they could be back on 3ABN soon.

[Nosir Myzing]

Junebug  - If 3 ABN is so concerned about quality programming why do the let "mr. i'm so uneducated" get on there and interview people and talk and talk about himself.   

Because they believe differently then you, and unlike you actually know the person they have formed their opinions of, and that their viewers and supporters like him?

And if you will read Johann post he does not say 3abm closed down the work of GO he says they closed down their transmission of the Gospel Outreach Programs, which means that they quit showing their programs on air... 

You are wrong and need to read it again yourself. The quote is below and bold text and underlining added for your convenience.  Please also notice your double standards, as I did. While you demand proof and answers of Junebug, you neglected to first ask Johann who started this for any proof of his so called "facts", or where he got his story from.

Some may not be aware of the fact that 3ABN has in recent months closed down their transmission of the Gospel Outreach programs. Gospel Outreach of Walla Walla, WA, is a tremendous program led by laymen which wins many souls for Christ. Linda Shelton helped GO collect the funds they needed to continue their work, and it seems that as a "punishment" 3ABN did their part in trying to close down this soul-winning agency.[/u]

By the way, which board member did you talk with?   

And I am with X 

And by the way, which board member of either 3ABN or gospel outreach did you talk with, GRAT?

And you are with who?

ROFL? ROFL?

[Nosir Myzing]

Unless somebody has facts to the contrary, based on what Junebug posted I don't see any reason not to accept what she posted here about this.

I seem to recall Junebug more than once clearly making statements that weren't so. And then there is her great hesitancy to say that even if the minor was consenting, child molestation is still wrong.

Said the clanging cymbal, as he continued to beat the dead horse into the ground...

So I wouldn't want to accept anything Junebug says unless she can provide some sort of solid, convincing, documentary support.

And? You believe and accept nothing which comes from anyone who you disagree with Mr " I heard" Pickle, but so many watch you jump right on any juicy and negative gossip or other hearsay which you agree with.

Yawn...

[GRAT]

Ian, Nosir Myzing, Junebug

It is so interesting to see you all get so riled up and so puffed up proud of who you know and what you know.  Wow, I am so impressed!  The fact is you don't know who I know or what I know.  And yes, I did make a mistake and am so thankful for the "loving, Christian way"  that you pointed out that fact to me, Nosir Myzing.  Just makes me want to support 3ABM.  And don't bother with the "you are just as bad".  Save your breath for someone who cares what you think.

[Fran]

And to think, this thread is about an open letter to Walt Thompson.  I must congratulate the "change the subject ASAP" group.

So let's get back to the topic of this thread.  Will Walt reply?

The letter contains a lot of information to place on a time line.  Maybe someone will do that for us.  I would say that Dr Day is right on!

I know you would like us to shut up so that sin can continue to abound.  God forbid!

[tinka]

At the elevated risk of raining on the 3ABN discussion parade and incurring the wrath of some on this site, it seems it must be said that perhaps too many folks are involved in flogging dead horses when there is a gospel that needs to be taken to those who are spiritually dead and physically dying every day for lack of the good news! If there were as much interest and energy invested in doing something personal every day for the sake of those who need the gospel as there is by some in endlessy debating this and that aspect of the lives and of the two principle Sheltons, then the gospel would be taken that much sooner to the world, and Jesus could come and take us home. In fact, the case could be made that many who are investing so much precious time and energy turning the problems of 3ABN in SDA's version of a juicy soap opera could better spend thier time and resources into helping to hasten the Lord's coming. So I throw out a challenge, invest your time, resources, energy and yourself fully into doing something real and concrete every day for the spread of the gospel, NOT the gossip! Remember, Satan is the accuser of the brothern. What ever has happened has happened, only God knows the details and can sort it out. That is His business, He is still in control, and has given us our marching orders. So, we really need to stick to the marching orders, and not try to sort out other people's problems!


So what you are saying dburt is that you want everyone to look the other way so the theivery can continue from the pews and also have you read that The Loud Cry will swell from the Holy Spirit and that a time will be, that it is better with the church in this condition at this moment that any new coming in might very well loose their soul when they learn the truth of this on going saga of thievery.

 I cannot stand the thoughts of what has been done here and if you think for one moment that this could not cause loss in some newcomers you have another thing to think of yourself. It seems you have no side to stand on one way or the other and all will be accounted that know and should have stood up for truth instead of covering for Satan and his agenda and for those that did not give a flip.  Just plain lazy of thoughts and convictions and efforts to change the evil within the church.  Did you ever read any consel on this ??

You are in the mode of Live and let live to the best that all can get. We definitely are in the majority of these efforts for the whole world. It is here, it is now and it is going down. DS is no different then the share the wealth mode that the majority of people of US put in to get their own agenda filled too.

Now watch what comes in the back door while this has got the attention of the world. Yes, yes, thieve the wealth and spread it out. Whether you earned it or not! DS is right in line with the corruption. It is now to late as the people fell for it. And now you suggest to just look the other way with better things to do. I like the song Onward Christian soldiers marching....

[Johann]

I should say this is interesting information. Thank you for posting it. I have a notion it will be studied by legal counsel and compared with other information concerning what happened.

I have spoken with a Gospel Outreach Board member and what Johann said is not correct information. 

1) Linda Shelton did NOT help collect any funds for Gospel Outreach. You are mixed up. She helped with Blue Mountain TV (Hope) to collect funds for them at a later date. She did not collect any funds for Gospel Outreach.  These are two different entities.

2) 3ABN did not "close down" the work of Gospel Outreach. The GO Board member spoke with Jim Gilley who told them they had "poor quality programming" and that they needed to upgrade. Gospel Outreach is in the process of meeting these standards set by 3ABN.  This was between Jim Gilley and GO Board, Danny didn't even know about it.  The GO Board member who spoke to me said their programming did need to improve and that this was a goal of theirs so they could be back on 3ABN soon.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Shouldn't this be an easy thing to verify one way or the other?

I should say this is interesting information. Thank you for posting it. I have a notion it will be studied by legal counsel and compared with other information concerning what happened.

I have spoken with a Gospel Outreach Board member and what Johann said is not correct information. 

1) Linda Shelton did NOT help collect any funds for Gospel Outreach. You are mixed up. She helped with Blue Mountain TV (Hope) to collect funds for them at a later date. She did not collect any funds for Gospel Outreach.  These are two different entities.

2) 3ABN did not "close down" the work of Gospel Outreach. The GO Board member spoke with Jim Gilley who told them they had "poor quality programming" and that they needed to upgrade. Gospel Outreach is in the process of meeting these standards set by 3ABN.  This was between Jim Gilley and GO Board, Danny didn't even know about it.  The GO Board member who spoke to me said their programming did need to improve and that this was a goal of theirs so they could be back on 3ABN soon.

[Johann]

Shouldn't this be an easy thing to verify one way or the other?

It certainly would be nice if it's that easy. Lawyers and quasi-lawyers seem to thrive on re-interpreting verifications. Some do all kinds of tricks to hide facts and make it appear like the opposite happened.

[Pat Williams]

Shouldn't this be an easy thing to verify one way or the other?

I should say this is interesting information. Thank you for posting it. I have a notion it will be studied by legal counsel and compared with other information concerning what happened.

I have spoken with a Gospel Outreach Board member and what Johann said is not correct information. 

1) Linda Shelton did NOT help collect any funds for Gospel Outreach. You are mixed up. She helped with Blue Mountain TV (Hope) to collect funds for them at a later date. She did not collect any funds for Gospel Outreach.  These are two different entities.

2) 3ABN did not "close down" the work of Gospel Outreach. The GO Board member spoke with Jim Gilley who told them they had "poor quality programming" and that they needed to upgrade. Gospel Outreach is in the process of meeting these standards set by 3ABN.  This was between Jim Gilley and GO Board, Danny didn't even know about it.  The GO Board member who spoke to me said their programming did need to improve and that this was a goal of theirs so they could be back on 3ABN soon.

Yes, it would be easy to verify Mr Fawcett. Unfortunately it seems most of the crew here prefer to believe what their friends here tell them, or what they say something means or indicates, and can't let the facts or other contrary evidence get in the way of that.

For example Johann claimed Gospel Outreach has been victimized and persecuted by 3ABN.

Yet no one here seems to think that what the two parties;Gospel Outreach and 3ABN, and specifically both of their presidents has to say is important, or cares to ask either of them about it. Gospel Outreach does not in fact echo Johann's claim.

Nor did any of the crew here even bothers to ask Johann (living in a completely different country and not related to either party ) to explain where he got his information from, or even bothers to ask him for anything to support or prove his reported as "fact" claim, for that matter.

Instead they tried to discredit and attack the one person who did bother to talk to the President of Gospel Outreach and post what they were told by both parties and where their information came from. (easily verified)


 There are too many koolaid drinkers here in my opinion who just regurgitate and attack any dissenting voice as lying or protecting or defending sin, as if all that they have read here or had reported to them by 3ABN's accusers is the gospel truth.

Willful ignorance, and a refusal to verify or prove things, does not justify repeating false accusations, nor their attacks of those who do try and do so.

Johann wrote:
"It certainly would be nice if it's that easy. Lawyers and quasi-lawyers seem to thrive on re-interpreting verifications. Some do all kinds of tricks to hide facts and make it appear like the opposite happened."


Johann,

All lawyers know that here say such as you posted here is not evidence. I am quite sure Linda's lawyers, if they thought it at all relevant, would go to the two parties involved and get their first person accounts, and quickly discover that they were in agreement and that their account doesn't match your account.(Linda's).

[Johann]

Yes I care to know the truth. Tall me, therefore, when did that conversation between the two presidents take place, that Danny did not even know about?

For pity sakes, "quality programming" as IN THE FILMING PROCESS.   The FILMS were of POOR quality.   ...um, do any of you know anything about filming? --we are in the digital age now you know.  

I spoke to the President of GO.  He seemed just fine about it all, with talking with Jim Gilley at 3ABN and knew they needed to upgrade their equipment. 

And NO, Danny didn't know about it until later.  Jim Gilley is the one who was involved.  It is possible to verify this information if you care to know the truth.