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[princessdi]

How about we just witnes to them and introduce them to a relationship with Christ, and the the Holy Spirit will lead them where they need to go? 

This is the problem with evangelism and baptism being tied in with church membership.  Just tell them what God ahs done for you.....just witness.

I understand that too and even myself believe that still can win souls maybe on one to one but to take them into ...what church? Maybe in Michigan there might be some good ole congregations left. I know one SDA church where all -------- replicas are goin on. 

[Daryl Fawcett]

Goes to show how different each forum is:  BSDA. Maritime, Club Adventist, etc.

Who was making sport?  I wouldn't answer GJ either. He's vicious!  AND it is he preferred way of communicating.  He knows he likes being mean.  I am not even telling him anything he is ashamed of.  I have often said that I know realize why he did not post much, if at all at BSDA.............I would have made it my business to ban him with the quickness.  We can always disagree without disagreeable. 

I don't think making sport of Junebug like this is the way to go.

[mrst53]

I had a chance to witness to a Catholic woman today about the saving grace of Jesus. She believed she had to be good to be saved. She also believed that she had to work for her salvation. I told her that Jesus did the work for her and it was grace. I am hoping Thursday I will have a better chance to talk to her.

[Johann]

Goes to show how different each forum is:  BSDA. Maritime, Club Adventist, etc.

Space for diversity? ? ? 

[princessdi]

Amen Mrst53!  Unfortunately, we(SDAs) have our own version of "salvation by works"  only giving lip service to "salvation by faith".  Taht is why i say just to live the life before them and answer their questions as a testimony.  Depending who you are speaking with, you can end up arguing Bible text all day.  We are called to be witnesses.  What God has done for you, the effects of that love relationship in your life cannt be disputed or argued.

I had a chance to witness to a Catholic woman today about the saving grace of Jesus. She believed she had to be good to be saved. She also believed that she had to work for her salvation. I told her that Jesus did the work for her and it was grace. I am hoping Thursday I will have a better chance to talk to her.

[Snoopy]

Do you know Gailon, Di?  Have you ever had a conversation with him?

Who was making sport?  I wouldn't answer GJ either. He's vicious!  AND it is he preferred way of communicating.  He knows he likes being mean.  I am not even telling him anything he is ashamed of.  I have often said that I know realize why he did not post much, if at all at BSDA.............I would have made it my business to ban him with the quickness.  We can always disagree without disagreeable. 

I don't think making sport of Junebug like this is the way to go.

[mrst53]

I believe that our works comes after the salvation - as in  the'fruits of the Spirit"

[Murcielago]

A wise old friend of mine went to seminary many years ago. He tells the story of how he was supposed to do Bibles studies with people in the community. He had been through the classes and knew how to argue the finer points of theology, he knew the prophecies, and he knew how to prove everything he was arguing, from scripture. An elderly man let him into his home and they started studying. After about ten minutes, the man showed my friend to the door and told him the words that forever changed his life and ministry. He said "You would make a great attorney for your faith, but you aren't much of a witness."

[childoftheking]

AMEN mrst53 AMEN!

[tinka]

A wise old friend of mine went to seminary many years ago. He tells the story of how he was supposed to do Bibles studies with people in the community. He had been through the classes and knew how to argue the finer points of theology, he knew the prophecies, and he knew how to prove everything he was arguing, from scripture. An elderly man let him into his home and they started studying. After about ten minutes, the man showed my friend to the door and told him the words that forever changed his life and ministry. He said "You would make a great attorney for your faith, but you aren't much of a witness."

What good is a "witness" without any belief and doctrine of facts to back it up. Not so sure the elderly man wanted to hear anything from a knock on the door from a finer detailed gentleman. The finer point gentleman may have run up against a  "Jehovah Witness" and that would be their reaction or sarcasm. They really don't have much knowledge and because they have their own Bible Versions. IT sounds like one anyway. How do we know the other side of the story??

Ever invite one in and let them talk? Ask them to pray first

[Murcielago]

And what good are belief, and doctrine of facts without "witness" to back them up? Without a balance of both, ministry is empty and means nothing. The Pharisees had belief and doctrine of facts but without the loving witness, belief and doctrine were a whited sepulchre. Jesus revolutionized the world by being not a lawyer, or a "witness", but both. When Jesus was attacked for breaking the Sabbath rules firmly established as doctrine of fact through holy scripture, he said "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

[christian]

And what good are belief, and doctrine of facts without "witness" to back them up? Without a balance of both, ministry is empty and means nothing. The Pharisees had belief and doctrine of facts but without the loving witness, belief and doctrine were a whited sepulchre. Jesus revolutionized the world by being not a lawyer, or a "witness", but both. When Jesus was attacked for breaking the Sabbath rules firmly established as doctrine of fact through holy scripture, he said "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

[flash=200,200][/You hit the nail on the head, they deleted love. Isn't it Ellen White that laments the fact that adding people to the church is not a sign of the Holy Ghost.

[Johann]

Seems like I was 7 years old the first time I read much of the Old Testament. In those Scriptures I discovered men who were not afraid of calling sin by its right name. In a way I was horrified by it - just like some people seem horrified by reading GJ. Being familiar now with the language of Scripture I see the similarities, even if I might try to refine my own language.

Which forum is for those who accept the Scriptures? Only certain portions of the Old Testament? Only the New Testament? Only what pleases themselves? Only what pleases xx or zz? Take you pick!

Goes to show how different each forum is:  BSDA. Maritime, Club Adventist, etc.

Who was making sport?  I wouldn't answer GJ either. He's vicious!  AND it is he preferred way of communicating.  He knows he likes being mean.  I am not even telling him anything he is ashamed of.  I have often said that I know realize why he did not post much, if at all at BSDA.............I would have made it my business to ban him with the quickness.  We can always disagree without disagreeable. 

[princessdi]

Come on, Pastor Johann.  You know not even having you speak, you are one of my fav SDA pastors, just by the example of your life I have come to know in the passed 5-6 years.  But you have got to be kidding me!  

You know whatever we do, we need to do all "to the glory of God" and with His love.  That includes calling sin by its name.  Now, I have personally said that I believe that Danny is just shady as they come, but no one....NO ONE....can ever say I was mean, cruel, or disrespectful.  The same can be said about you.  GJ is ALL of that, and there is NO love in his posts. He insults people, calls them names. etc.  It is not what he is trying to say, but how he is saying it.  He really should dial it back about 50 notches.  It doesn't make anyone change their mind or come to the understanding he is trying to bring.  It just makes them not want to talk to him any further.  That is a shame, because much of the time he does have truth on his side.  However, if he is being abusive, disruptive, and down right obnoxious, nobody is going to hear the truth.  So in that respect he is defeating his own purpose.

Remember, disagreeing WITHOUT, being disagreeeable.  BTW, this goes for all those who post such toxic posts....on both sides.

Seems like I was 7 years old the first time I read much of the Old Testament. In those Scriptures I discovered men who were not afraid of calling sin by its right name. In a way I was horrified by it - just like some people seem horrified by reading GJ. Being familiar now with the language of Scripture I see the similarities, even if I might try to refine my own language.

Which forum is for those who accept the Scriptures? Only certain portions of the Old Testament? Only the New Testament? Only what pleases themselves? Only what pleases xx or zz? Take you pick!

[princessdi]

Snoopy, you know, You are right.  I have not had a personal conversation with him.  But I can read. I have read his posts here.  I also know that he doesn't answer me, and others with the venom that he answers some others, mainly those who disagree with him.  I even disagree with him on occasion, but he still is not disrespectful or rude....which makes me know that he knows the difference. 

Just by example, Tinka and I got off to a rocky start, however, we have now come to an understanding, and we treat each other with respect, even when we are expressing diametrically opposing arguments.  We seldom agree i some areas, but I have come to respect her because I believe she is sincere in her beliefs.  That only happened when we started addressing each other with common respect.  We even found out that we agreed in some areas, that we could not see before.

Do you know Gailon, Di?  Have you ever had a conversation with him?

Who was making sport?  I wouldn't answer GJ either. He's vicious!  AND it is he preferred way of communicating.  He knows he likes being mean.  I am not even telling him anything he is ashamed of.  I have often said that I know realize why he did not post much, if at all at BSDA.............I would have made it my business to ban him with the quickness.  We can always disagree without disagreeable. 

I don't think making sport of Junebug like this is the way to go.