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[GRAT]

Thank you Johann for your view of the visit.    I guess what bothered me was the crowing about how unwelcoming "all but 3 or 4 people" were.  Should have known that that was not the whole truth or even part truth.  Glad to know that there were people there who were honestly seeking God's will.   

[Snoopy]

Thank you, Johann, for that report.  I have a huge amount of respect for what you all did!

[Fran]

Johann;

Your version lifts my heart!  So I would guess that there are many that have no clue what really happened!  I am so proud of the three of you!  You are a true man of God!

[Johann]

It was an amazing encounter!  I understood one of those who ventured meeting Linda admit she was one of very few in her local church who believed Linda got expelled for a reason. That changed when she met Linda. Now she was going back home rejoicing with the whole church in the knowledge Linda is innocent of the false accusations. Now she wants to tell the whole world of her discovery. She rejoiced in her discovery and thanked God she'd come to Camp Meeting to learn the truth was the opposite of what she'd thought until now. I pointed out to this lady that God does not fail, it is only man who fails. It was worth our trip to see how this lady now rejoices in the Lord.

Thank you Johann for your view of the visit.    I guess what bothered me was the crowing about how unwelcoming "all but 3 or 4 people" were.  Should have known that that was not the whole truth or even part truth.  Glad to know that there were people there who were honestly seeking God's will.  

[Johann]

Thank you, Fran. We have all reason to rejoice in the Lord and thank Him for His goodness, even though none of us really deserve it.

Johann;

Your version lifts my heart!  So I would guess that there are many that have no clue what really happened!  I am so proud of the three of you!  You are a true man of God!

[Murcielago]

Thats all good to hear, Johann. Sometimes it is therapeutic for a person who has experienced a bad trauma to go back to the scene of it and put it into a perspective that diminishes its impact. It sounds like this was one of those experiences. I'm glad you were there too.

[Johann]

Here is a response I received from a friend in Oregon, who also gave  me permission to post it:

Dear Johann: Once a "culture" of deceit has been laid down, those involved in the culture tend to hold fast to a style that tolerates and in fact encourages deception. Have you noticed in your long life how this happens?

That's why it's absolutely imperative that in our Christian walk, we stand for the truth, though in the short term it may hurt us personally. In the longer haul, honestly will set a standard that the earnest people, including our children, will try to match or surpass. If we can encourage such behavior, we surely give a wonderful gift to our church and God.

We are all watching and praying that the culture that 3ABN has tolerated and at times encouraged will be replaced by something better and more Christ-like.

E. S.

[Johann]

Talking to some people in that hall told me you might be right. I was told by one individual that he was so set on being neutral that he did not want to hear any rumors from Linda. Linda was standiing there next to us. He was afrraid that if he heard anything from her it would be impossible for him to be "neutral".

This reminds me of a book I received the other day as a token of appreciation by our local conference because I still preach in our churches 10 years after my retirement. The title of that book is, The Apocalyptic Vision and the Neutering of Adventism. Are we erasing our relevancy?

A neutral stand could be the greatest danger of Adventism today. Is this the danger of 3ABN too?

Since they were being watched so closely perhaps they were afraid of being fired or their reputations trashed if they greeted Linda. Not that that sort of thing has happened before of course.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Now that I have read both versions, I am inclined to go with what Johann posted here over the other version I have read from the "other side" so to speak.

[Pat Williams]

Talking to some people in that hall told me you might be right. I was told by one individual that he was so set on being neutral that he did not want to hear any rumors from Linda. Linda was standiing there next to us. He was afrraid that if he heard anything from her it would be impossible for him to be "neutral".

This reminds me of a book I received the other day as a token of appreciation by our local conference because I still preach in our churches 10 years after my retirement. The title of that book is, The Apocalyptic Vision and the Neutering of Adventism. Are we erasing our relevancy?

A neutral stand could be the greatest danger of Adventism today. Is this the danger of 3ABN too?

I hardly think "neutral" is a word most would use to describe 3ABN , it's programming, teachings or supporters...
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I wish it didn't always have to be all about Linda, Johann.

I didn't get to attend this spring, and I don't know what you were all three celebrating, but I would have preferred to have heard about the ten commandments mesages and the music. I would have loved to read here about how you all went there to worship and about the blessings you received and what the holy spirit emphasized or taught you during those programs, and about the fellowship together about that.

Maybe that's just me.

But I do think we all sometimes need to be reminded of what is most important:
The heart of worship

[GRAT]

A "ministry" that did what they did to LS, and it was done publicly, has NOTHING to say about the Ten Commandments or anything else that I want to hear except "We were wrong" and give a very public confession and apology. 

[Snoopy]

I wish it didn't always have to be all about Linda, Johann.

Perhaps you should address that to your buddy "Sunny" at the smut site as she is the one who "broke the news" of the campmeeting guests...

[Daryl Fawcett]

Why can't we call that site "the other site" rather than "the smut site'?

Calling it "the smut site" sounds so gross and unchristian to me.

And Snoopy, for the record, unless you are posting as an admin, which should be clearly labelled so as to not cause any confusion, I am posting to you as a member to a member, not as a member to an admin.

[Snoopy]

Why can't we call that site "the other site" rather than "the smut site'?

Calling it "the smut site" sounds so gross and unchristian to me.

And Snoopy, for the record, unless you are posting as an admin, which should be clearly labelled so as to not cause any confusion, I am posting to you as a member to a member, not as a member to an admin.

Why don't you call it what you want, as will I.  There is enough garbage over there to start a landfill.  However, I see that you have been an active contributor there, so perhaps that is the source of your sensitivity.

And Daryl, for the record, if I were posting as an admin it would have been perfectly clear to you.  Thus, I am currently posting to you as a member.  Now, for the difference...:




ADMIN HAT ON


Might I offer the suggestion that you refamiliarize yourself with the forum rules, which, by the way, HAVE changed since you were part of administration.


ADMIN HAT OFF

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

          Your third question evidences your own bias. You ask, "[] why did 3 people create such unrest?" I don't think you are naive, nor lacking in intellectual capabilities, rather you approach this situation for a hyper-emotional point of view. I wonder if you would ask the same question if the scenario had been the appearance of three gang members at the funeral of a member of a rival gang whom they had killed in a drive by shooting.
         
anyman

Well, there you are, Anyman, in all your PRESUMPTUOUS glory defining 3ABN as the center of Adventist Gangland....and who is the God FAther? Danny Lee Shelton of course!!! And how many were packing nine irons???

By the way, WHO WAS SHOT??? Why the Godfather, of course.

And guess who shows up for the funeral??? Would you beleive the ex was there to check the pulse and make sure the corpse was really the God Father??? After all, she has a substantial interest in the ESTATE of the Godfather!!!

Most notably, it was nice of ANYMAN to so clearly define the character of the DANNY WORSHIPPING CROWD as ignorant shunning ex christians!!!
I thank you for the enlightenment and for confirming my deepest, darkest suspicions!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
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