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[tinka]

Nexxxxt Saga please,

Please go into the details now of all the excuses of jets, fuel, rolexs, vacations, sports cars, and cars and cars etc etc.  Better yet how about the great cost of VANITY... who can deny that?? Transplants, etc.etc.etc..Just for the records please. OF course there will be no answer to this post. Oh and don't forget the cost of feeding all the  Especially, how most workers at 3abn donated their time as it was well told on tv. Wow, what dedication to the host In the name of what....religion?? or be able to "chow on hay" This Saga of protectors will only ring in the ears of followers of ignorance.  What ever is D Batchelor doing these days? I bet at least he is not showing out in vanity!! If anyone was trying to give truth they would be out there waving banners of co-operation to prove anthing at all, instead of someone else fighting His battles. HE is not stupid that all of this is going on. ooooppps there He is hiding behind the front lines. That is all that has to be said. Oh and how romantic to have a lover come for you on a jet plane. IF you have no honey use money!! Pew money will do No way out folks of this action of facts.

[Snoopy]

Guess its time for me to pull out that disk of information I received from the Washington State Insurance Commissioner's office about 3ABN...

[Snoopy]

Allow me to be very blunt.

If snoopy can't help you get your facts straight then you need to find a new financial expert.

Ha!  That's pretty funny!  Cindy, do you have a replacement in mind?  Maybe you'd like to apply...??  BTW, what ARE you an expert in??  Other than accusations and defamation??  Oops...guess you'll have to allow me to be very blunt as well...

[Fran]

Any Man;

Bob is not responsible for any one's spiritual life!  We have to work out our own spiritual well being.  I can read both sites and read all the documentation and decide for myself what I choose to believe.  Bob is not brainwashing anyone!

If anyone allows him to hurt them spiritually it is the person's fault, not Bob's!

I chose my truth years before I ever heard of Bob!  I read the court documents and saw that 3ABN was depositing other ministries money into 3ABN's income! That was enough for me to have many righteous indignation moments!  Yeah, that is the truth!  They had posted over $14,000 of some other ministries money in 3ABN's income!   How dare they do that!  All it did was over state their income statement!

Not only that, but in that same year the auditors found $2.43+ MILLION dollars not posted!  Then the next year they found 1.7+ MILLION not posted!  This is not good!

Then Jim Gilley announces live on the air that, "They would not be borrowing from Trust Funds ever again!"

Oops!  Then they are banned in Washington to write trust funds in that state until the time they had enough money available to cover those trust funds!

IT IS ORDERED and you are hereby notified that pursuant to RCW 48.38.050 Certificate of Exemption No. 294 issued to you to issue charitable gift annuities is hereby SUSPENDED Effective March 14, 2007, until further notice by the lnsurance Commissioner, or for a period of one (1) year, whichever comes first.

This suspension is applicable to the sale, solicitation, or issuance of any new charitable gift annuities in the State of Washington. Provided, however, THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC shall remain fully obligated: (1) under its charitable gift annuities in force, and authorized to administer said annuities as well; and (2) to comply with all other provisions of Chapter 48.38 RCW, including but not limited to, reporting requirements and payment of annual and other fees.

THIS ORDER IS BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING:

The lnsurance Commissioner of the State of Washington finds that there presently exist conditions precluding THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC from being eligible to hold a Certificate of Exemption to issue charitable gift annuities in this state. Specifically, THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC failed to meet the separate reserve and surplus requirements of RCW 48.38.020(3). THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC filed its annual report as of December 31, 2006 and reported a separate reserve fund balance of $7,409,935, which was less than the required minimum of 13,011,079.    

Chapters 48.04 and 34.05 RCW provide THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC the right to demand a hearing on this order.

SIGNED AND ENTERED this 14th day of March, 2007.

Now, I am not saying anything that the document does not say. However, it makes me wonder if the $ 5,601,144 difference is the amount they borrowed!  

These are the facts that I used to decide where I stand.  Then there is eBay sales from 1998-2002.   These are the sales they deny making.  The purchases I made say that they are lying!  Why? 

Yes, these are the things that caught my attention and have held it for all these years!  Now the documents that Ian has posted herself and the documents set forth on http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ have been my guide!  The evidence is there!  If people choose not to believe it, that is great.  They have stuck their heads in the sand all by themselves!  Bob has not touched their spiritual life in one iota!

Let's get real for a change!

Yes Fran, GET REAL. You read what Tammy Shelton said herself about e-bay but you think you are the ONLY one that knows what you call truth. Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this one. You refuse to accept the truth simply because you don't want to.  It's not any fun right? It's so much more fun to wallow in the juicy tidbits people make up out of a tiny shred of truth and go for it. If those here on AT were telling lies about YOU and your family on a public forum (instead of 3ABN and the Shelton family), YOU would be furious. And then when you tried to share the truth, to see them not accept it would really be upsetting. Honestly Fran, put yourself in the place of those you are tearing down.

You take a tidbit and blow it up into a huge deal. You take a possible mistake (last time I checked, we are ALL human and subject to make mistakes) and trump it up into a huge lie or something purposefully dishonest.

Honestly, I feel sorry for you and your ilk on this forum.  Why don't you find something in your lives that excites you and is productive for good--like giving Bible studies or going as a missionary somewhere instead of TEARING DOWN GOD'S TRUTH and those who work for Him.

Junebug;

I did read what Tammy Shelton said about eBay!  She lied!  She said she had never had a store, yet a document was posted showing that she did have a store!  Tammy lied!  Why?

Tammy was not at 3ABN during 1998-2002.  She and her husband came in 2002.  She is not the person to get information for those prior years.  I would have to ask Danny!  He knows I am right.  However, I do not have faith in what he says about anything because he has lied so many times in the past.

Also she laid out the processes that 3ABN used to receipt their donors!  Wrong!  Donors should have received an IRS Form 8283 at the time of the purchase!  Nope, they gave the receipt after the fact by who knows how long after the donation!  She told how they sent the financial information to accounting once a month!  It should have been daily.  Yes, I read every word!  There is more, but it is the Sabbath.

Junebug, I am not tearing anyone down.  These things are facts!  Documented facts!  Go back and read what I said.  I am not making up those numbers.  They are in court documents.  They are not small mistakes.  They were a reflection of exactly what was happening!  I am tearing no one down.  They did this all by themselves!  Yes, these things I keep "harping" about are the things that they did all by themselves.  It is no one else's fault.  They brought it on themselves.

Yes, I believe they would like to get me to shut up because it is the naked truth.  It lays things out showing others that this is what Danny and 3ABN did that is not honest and it is not right accounting wise either!  I could go away, but the facts will remain the same, staring them right in their faces.  These are facts that will not ever be erased.  They are set in concrete for anyone who wishes may read it and see that what I have said is true.

When I say I have not heard from the IRS telling the investigation is over, it is the truth.  It is not over.  Sorry, but that is the truth also.  Where is your documentation that what I have said is wrong?  You say these are mistakes.  They have been continuing these mistakes as we speak.  They have chosen to continue even though the auditors have repeatedly told them it was not right!  That is a mistake by choice.  In other words, they choose to ignore the facts and continue to do it "their way", which is wrong and not honest.

I am sorry you feel I should remain quiet and just allow things to remain as they are.  I can't.  These are not thing that people who are representing my church and my God should be doing.  Their behavior should be honest and above board.

I am real and this is truth.  I am so sorry you choose to close your eyes to truth.  You seem to not be able to see past the earthly sinful man to see what is truthful and factual.

[Fran]

Guess its time for me to pull out that disk of information I received from the Washington State Insurance Commissioner's office about 3ABN...

Snoopy;

That would be a great thing to do!  I would be happy to know the ins and outs of the events.

Fran

[ex3abnemployee]

Give it up! All the accusations that have been laid out here, at BSDA, Maritime, your personal web sites have been forwarded to the attorney(s)

What was the point of forwarding them? I thought they were already monitoring these sites.

[Mary Sue Smith]

Fran, I am NOT closing my eyes to truth--YOU ARE! The IRS has totally found NOTHING out of order with 3abn. Because they haven't informed you means nothing. But of course you were challenged to contact them. What did they say Fran? What did they tell you?  I'll be waiting to hear your answer.

And what Tammy Shelton said about e-bay made perfect sense and I happen to know it is the TRUTH.

You say you haven't "torn anyone down" by what you are saying. I don't have time to bring up your past posts to show you but most people who are intelligent can see for themselves how you have torn down 3abn in every way you possibly could along with everyone else against them over and over and over again.  It's like you keep saying over and over white is black when in reality it is white.  You refuse to see.

Nevertheless, I will be waiting to see what the IRS said to you. I expect to hear this in the next day or two Fran. You said you were going to contact them--so tell us what they said to you.

[Snoopy]

Could it possibly be that even your financial expert "Snoopy" should have known and could have steered you to the correct definitions of revocable trusts, living trusts, donors, trustees and trustors and remainder interests, as well as the criteria and charts used to determine the amounts based on age of trustor, the current equity of home and property etc which would have explained the purchase by Linda and Danny Shelton as above board and legal?

Yeah.  OK.  Right.

Ian, this might come as a surprise to you, but I was not provided with any relevant documents to review from 3ABN in spite of Bob and Gailon's REPEATED efforts to compel their production.  Apparently you don't have a real good understanding of how the legal system works.  Maybe you should check with your friend Cindi Randall.  No, on second thought, better not!!  The way it is supposed to work is that the documents produced during discovery are provided to the relevant expert for review.  But in the case of Danny Shelton, he apparently likes to make up the rules as he goes along.  Ever played with a kid like that when you were little?  Anyway, since Danny is above the law and doesn't play by the rules, he didn't produce anything!!  And 3ABN went out of their way to provide a fairly comprehensive collection of their purchase orders for office supplies but completely ignored our requests for RELEVANT documents.  Now.  The Remnant documents?  There is another story.  Talk about relevant!!  Actually they went beyond relevant to downright damaging!  Any competent judge will be able to see that, and I'll bet the State of Illinois will too.  It's just a matter of time.

So you might get your pointy little finger out of my face and make some demands of your friend Danny Shelton instead!!!!!!

[Fran]

Junebug;

Where is your proof that what I said is wrong?  Where is evidence of your truth?  You have none!

How can you explain that I made purchases from 3ABN between 1998-2002 from 3ABN eBay and then I made purchases from Tammy and 3ABN after that.  I made purchases from Tammy's store that she has never had.

So you say that the facts and figures I have cited are destroying 3ABN?  They did it, not me.  I just made their practices transparent for all to see.  If someone gets destroyed, they brought it on themselves.  None of this was my doing.

The IRS is required to tell me when the investigation is over.  They have not done that as yet.  Junebug, do you believe the IRS follows the laws?  Yes, I believe they do.  They will do what they say or they are in trouble!

Add to what I have said, add all the findings that Bob and Gailon have uncovered about the finances of Danny Shelton and 3ABN, and you will see these are not actual mistakes, but actions taken deliberately.  

I can wait.  I am in no hurry for the big reveal.  I am so sorry, but all I have cited has already happened.  All of the transactions are now historical transactions for all to review.

[ex3abnemployee]

Junebug;

Where is your proof that what I said is wrong?  Where is evidence of your truth?  You have none!

How can you explain that I made purchases from 3ABN between 1998-2002 from 3ABN eBay and then I made purchases from Tammy and 3ABN after that.  I made purchases from Tammy's store that she has never had.

So you say that the facts and figures I have cited are destroying 3ABN?  They did it, not me.  I just made their practices transparent for all to see.  If someone gets destroyed, they brought it on themselves.  None of this was my doing.

The IRS is required to tell me when the investigation is over.  They have not done that as yet.  Junebug, do you believe the IRS follows the laws?  Yes, I believe they do.  They will do what they say or they are in trouble!

Add to what I have said, add all the findings that Bob and Gailon have uncovered about the finances of Danny Shelton and 3ABN, and you will see these are not actual mistakes, but actions taken deliberately.  

I can wait.  I am in no hurry for the big reveal.  I am so sorry, but all I have cited has already happened.  All of the transactions are now historical transactions for all to review.

See, Fran, you don't understand. Anything potentially damaging to Danny or 3ABN is either irrelevant or actually never really happened.

[Bob Pickle]

Why don't you find something in your lives that excites you and is productive for good--like giving Bible studies or going as a missionary somewhere instead of TEARING DOWN GOD'S TRUTH and those who work for Him.

Is it God's truth that if the minor was consenting, that somehow makes a difference regarding the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?

You keep avoiding my questions about that. I'm sure many have noticed. Until you deal with such a basic, common sense, biblical, spirit of prophecy, community standard issue, who is going to take you seriously when you speak of truth or Bible studies or conservatism?

Christ is coming. The hour is late. Do not delay.

[Bob Pickle]

Allow me to be very blunt.

If snoopy can't help you get your facts straight then you need to find a new financial expert.

Ha!  That's pretty funny!  Cindy, do you have a replacement in mind?  Maybe you'd like to apply...??

Not interested.

[Bob Pickle]

The IRS has totally found NOTHING out of order with 3abn.

That's a bald face lie. You do know that lying  is a sin, don't you? And that it can keep you out of heaven?

[Cindy]

Snoopy, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what supplying definitions of terms to Pickle in sync with the real estate deeds he has copies of, has to do with discovery materials you either saw or didn't see from 3abn....

I was refering to what you yourself discovered, explained and billed Pickle and Joy for as their "financial expert":

Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 132-2 Filed 11/13/2008

Lynette Rhodes, CPA, CFE
*****
****, *****

September 30, 2007 Invoice # 1350

Attn: Bob Pickle
*****
****, ****

Re: Case No. 07?40098 FDS
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc
and Danny Lee Shelton v.
Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle


Professional services rendered through September 30, 2007:
Hours
9/4/2007 Telephone call to GAJ 0.88

9/5/2007 Email exchange with BP regarding Franklin County Research. 0 .25

9/6/2007
Franklin County Courthouse research and
telephone calls to GAJ 4 .00

9/7/2007
Summarize and email Franklin County
findings to BP/GAJ 1 .00

9/7/2007 Telephone call to Franklin County Clerk 0.20

9/12/2007
Telephone calls to BP regarding real
estate deeds 1 .28

9/13/2007
Telephone call to BP regarding real estate
deeds 0 .22

TOTAL HOURS 7.83
Hourly rate $ 175.00

Professional services billed 1,370.83

Expenses incurred:
9/6/2007 Document copies ? Franklin County 26.75
TOTAL DUE: $ 1,397.58

and so on... totaling $ 20,342.32

The above was on Pickle's website this morning http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/ as Document 132 exhibit A , but first that was deactivated or stopped working and now exhibit B and C are as well. Pickle you really might want to fix this problem your website is having, it appears to be ongoing...

In the meantime all wanting to check the exhibits for themselves will have to go to the other forum  and read it in the PACER Documents subforum, in the  "Massachusetts Motion to dismiss lawsuit" topic.

Just click on the following there:

Document 132 11 13 08.pdf
    AFFIDAVIT OF ROBERT PICKLE
    & ATTACHED EXHIBITS

Could it possibly be that even your financial expert "Snoopy" should have known and could have steered you to the correct definitions of revocable trusts, living trusts, donors, trustees and trustors and remainder interests, as well as the criteria and charts used to determine the amounts based on age of trustor, the current equity of home and property etc which would have explained the purchase by Linda and Danny Shelton as above board and legal?

Yeah.  OK.  Right.

Ian, this might come as a surprise to you, but I was not provided with any relevant documents to review from 3ABN in spite of Bob and Gailon's REPEATED efforts to compel their production.  Apparently you don't have a real good understanding of how the legal system works.  Maybe you should check with your friend Cindi Randall.  No, on second thought, better not!!  The way it is supposed to work is that the documents produced during discovery are provided to the relevant expert for review.  But in the case of Danny Shelton, he apparently likes to make up the rules as he goes along.  Ever played with a kid like that when you were little?  Anyway, since Danny is above the law and doesn't play by the rules, he didn't produce anything!!  And 3ABN went out of their way to provide a fairly comprehensive collection of their purchase orders for office supplies but completely ignored our requests for RELEVANT documents.  Now.  The Remnant documents?  There is another story.  Talk about relevant!!  Actually they went beyond relevant to downright damaging!  Any competent judge will be able to see that, and I'll bet the State of Illinois will too.  It's just a matter of time.

So you might get your pointy little finger out of my face and make some demands of your friend Danny Shelton instead!!!!!!

[Snoopy]

And I fail to see how what I myself discovered and what communications I may or may not have had with Bob and Gailon could possibly be any of your business!  Again, let me help you with the legal process.  Bob and Gailon are representing themselves as their own attorneys which makes any communications I have had with them privileged.  Do you get that?

If you must know the details of what I saw at 3ABN you might check with Cindi Randall because I confided in her when I thought she was an attorney and would keep my communications with her in confidence...  I, however, owe you no answers!!