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[Cindy]

The lawsuit was dismissed without prejudice on 11/03/08 in accordance with the courts order granting the plaintiffs motion to dismiss on 10/30/08. That means Pickle and Joy are no longer "defendants".

So..

1.Why is there still a banner on this forum proclaiming the 1st amendment is under attack and soliciting money for the Pickle and Joy defense fund?


So..

If they are granted their motion will they be reimbursing their donors or keeping the money for themselves?


Just wondering...

References:
http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-129.pdf

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-132.pdf

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-132-2.pdf

[Bob Pickle]

Danny and 3ABN have not ceased their attack on the First Amendment, since they are still trying to silence us. We have a constitutional right to disclose what we obtained in discovery, absent a valid court order, and they don't like that.

If the legal expenses are reimbursed by the plaintiffs, whatever money was given can be used or returned as the giver directs.

If you will recall, when we initiated that, I think we stated that surplus would be used for evangelism. There certainly has been no surplus.

Somehow I think, Cindy, that your question was intended to disparage.

[Cindy]

Danny and 3ABN have not ceased their attack on the First Amendment, since they are still trying to silence us. We have a constitutional right to disclose what we obtained in discovery, absent a valid court order, and they don't like that.

  People can read, Bob.

You do not have a constitutional right to disobey Magistrate Judge Timothy S. Hillman's CONFIDENTIALITY AND PROTECTIVE ORDER, nor is expecting you to abide by the Judges order an attack of your first amendment rights.

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-60.pdf


..ian 


P.S.

You wrote:
"If you will recall, when we initiated that, I think we stated that surplus would be used for evangelism. There certainly has been no surplus."

Well thanks for clearing that up, after itemizing all your alleged expenses in that motion and then seeing you tacking on your 30,114.75 in wages, it's nice for your donor's to know that isn't surplus, and won't be used for evangelism if you are granted that.

Who knows? if you win your appeal and force DS and 3abn to keep suing you, you could make even more money...

[Bob Pickle]

Your remarks are uncalled for.

"You do not have a constitutional right to disobey Magistrate Judge Timothy S. Hillman's CONFIDENTIALITY AND PROTECTIVE ORDER, nor is expecting you to abide by the Judges order an attack of your first amendment rights."

Why did you say that? How is that a reply to what I said? It is Danny Shelton and 3ABN that want to ignore and disregard that order.

That order permits us to challenge a confidentiality designation after the lawsuit is over. Simpson seemed to have thrown a fit over that possibility.

Danny and 3ABN designated things confidential that that order does not permit to be so designated.

Simpson made it clear that he was going to drag us into court if we disclosed something they could find in those documents, even if we got that info from other sources. He threatened Gailon over Gailon mentioning $300,000 a year book deals, even though that figure came from Nick Miller two years before we got the Remnant documents, and even though the Remnant documents can't possibly support such a figure.

Simpson even wanted to muzzle us over the documents we got from Dunn Loring, as if the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton are a trade secret of 3ABN! That's preposterous.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Danny and 3ABN have not ceased their attack on the First Amendment, since they are still trying to silence us. We have a constitutional right to disclose what we obtained in discovery, absent a valid court order, and they don't like that.

  People can read, Bob.

You do not have a constitutional right to disobey Magistrate Judge Timothy S. Hillman's CONFIDENTIALITY AND PROTECTIVE ORDER, nor is expecting you to abide by the Judges order an attack of your first amendment rights.

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-60.pdf


..ian 

Abiding by the judges order is the Plaintiff's concern...we clearly assert they ABUSED THE CONFIDENTIALITY ORDER AT EVERY TURN TO HIDE THEIR MISDEEDS!!!

THAT ALSO IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS THEY ARE A 501C-3 THAT SOLICITS PUBLIC DONATIONS AND THE PUBLIC HAS A CLEAR RIGHT TO KNOW IF THE DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS ARE COVERING UP THE MISDEEDS OF OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS...THEIR PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY ARGUMENT DOES NOT HOLD WATER WHEN NEARLY 100% OF INCOME IS DERIVED FROM PUBLIC DONATIONS.

NOW, IAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ARGUE THE PUBLIC HAS NO RIGHT TO KNOW??? IN WHICH CASE I WILL ARGUE 3ABN HAVE NO RIGHT TO SOLICIT PUBLIC DONATIONS!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
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