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[tinka]

Did not think that I would ever post on here again because of wasted time on a few closed seared brains for what is right and what is wrong against the ones that are fighting for the right,but can not believe, in fact so appalled that I must state that or ask-----Are these Star War viewers teaching in our SDA Sabbath Schools? I have never wanted to see one episode as the advertisement years ago was enough of develish insanity-- not science. Stupid stuff to close the minds of the followers of no reality.  I should have known who would stand up for this...Had a preacher a few years ago that watched it too. His mind was gone. All I can say is those that watch it are right in the groove of fatality.

The unbelievers on here of course should be excused.........

[Bob Pickle]

I watched and read loads of Star Trek. Then in high school the devil would bring certain Star Trek plots back to my mind and use them to tempt me to doubt the existence of God.

What we fail to realize is that sometimes the one writing the script has an agenda, and that agenda is to persuade the viewers about a particular view. There was an episode of Daniel Boone that really was all about the Vietnamese War. It may affect us, and the effect may not occur till years later, as in my case with Star Trek.

[princessdi]

You guys have got to be kidding!  Yes, Tinka, I do teach adults in SS, The pastor's class even, and he loves it when I teach!   I have to admit that in all my years of Star Wars viewing and being a Trekkie, it never tempted to to doubt the existence of God, neither anyone I know.  That is a most singular situation.  What else might have been going on in your life at that time, Bob, that the enemy would perceive that as your area of weakness?  I am just curious.

I am not saying that everyone should love scifi, in particular Star Wars.   However, it is not necessary to demonize it, for no good reason, and then insist on judging one's chritianity as lacking because they do like it.  We can all just have our likes and dislikes, just like I like the color red and you don't, etc.  You know, "Can't we all just get along?"  LOL!!!  This is just hilarious!  You all are a hoot for sure!   Proceed........

[Bob Pickle]

Di,

Some notable Adventist authors have pointed out that acceptance of the occult in America jumped after Star Trek. Star Trek took occultic phenomena and called it technology, or the abilities of aliens.

As far as my own experience goes, there was one Star Trek story, don't know if it was ever on screen, in which there was a character who was Lucifer. Another story which was on screen had a character who was the god Apollo. When I got to academy the devil used those plots to tempt me to think that the way those stories described Lucifer and the gods could be a true description of their origins or histories. But such ideas are unbiblical, and undermine faith in God's Word.

[Fran]

Hum, this story is true and i have a roll of film proving it.  However, I cannot put them on the Internet to protect the innocent.

My kids loved Star Wars and so did the children of the local SDA Church School teacher.  They all knew it wasn't real.  They laughed at some of the things.  I did not think it hurt anything.  As far as my children, none have been damaged for watching it, at least that I am aware of.  I was really busy trying to keep them from ever seeing "Dirty Dancing"!

Time passed.  The teachers daughter graduated college.  She married her high school boyfriend.  Some of my children got married.  All Of our children married in the church, all were SDA's.   The teachers daughter discovered her choice was homosexual!  Yeah, he hid it well, however, it became apparent after the marriage.  There wase a divorce.  She has a great job making great money and fell in love with a guy she worked with.  He is really good looking and so is she.  My friend sent an email with all the wedding pictures.  It said wedding pictures, but looked like a costume party.  It was a Star Wars Wedding!  I mean this seriously!  There was a Budda placed on the table of honor right behind the Budist priestess.  The wedding party was to the back of the couple as most people sit in a church wedding.  However, The teacher, her husband & their son had to sit behind Budda!

I believe every character in Star Wars was there!  The costumes were real!  Every one of them were Trekkies.  After our shock, we laughed at the sight of all those weirdo's.  Then it was tears time when we learned that their daughter is now a Buddhist.  I was sorry that I allowed my kids to watch it way back then.  I praise God my kids don't like the series at all!  Now, if I could just fix all the other mistakes I made!

[princessdi]

Well, I feel badly that th enemy played on your weaknesses and you were not able to continue to enjoy th movies.  As far as some notable Adventist author as concened.......well, I'll keep that. As I said, I don't do well on the remedial level, it is very tiresome to me, especially in otherwise intellegent adults.  Thanks for answering my some what nosey question.  :-)

Fran, What in the world does turning Buddist have to do with Star Wars?   By you own examples amongst all the children who loved the SW movies only two had issues, that frankly had nothing to do with SW.  This is why this gets tiresome.  All this stretching to make one's point........sigh.....you know I love you anyway, Gurl.   :-)

Di,

Some notable Adventist authors have pointed out that acceptance of the occult in America jumped after Star Trek. Star Trek took occultic phenomena and called it technology, or the abilities of aliens.

As far as my own experience goes, there was one Star Trek story, don't know if it was ever on screen, in which there was a character who was Lucifer. Another story which was on screen had a character who was the god Apollo. When I got to academy the devil used those plots to tempt me to think that the way those stories described Lucifer and the gods could be a true description of their origins or histories. But such ideas are unbiblical, and undermine faith in God's Word.

[Murcielago]

I have friends who are not Star Wars fans and some who are, who have left the church. Some are atheist, others are agnostic, buddhist, non-denominational, Mormon, etc.  For me to blame Star Wars would be like saying that the sun rose because the rooster crowed. The one thing they all have in common is a strict Adventist upbringing in sheltered "self-supporting" environments.

[Bob Pickle]

http://www.watchman.org/na/starwarsbeware.htm

Hadn't heard that before, that Darth Vader was born of a virgin, in fulfillment of old prophecies. Is that true?

[princessdi]

Hmmmmm. If I think back his mother says, when asked by Qui-Gon that she just remembers being pregnant, and there was no father.  It said nothing about it being a virgin birth.  However, it does seem infer something of an immaculate conception.......which mean it is based a biblical events........as I said.  Also, if you think of the way the  Senator Palpatine/The Emporer manipulates Anakin, playing on his own fears and weaknesses, it is definitely the way satan manipulates us.  That is only a couple of examples that the series is not based in satanic themes.  Also, the first thing that came to my mind when talking about the Force and the Dark side.   All those who turn to the dark side started out "with" the Force, then chose the dark side.  The same as Lucifer started out as an angel(created by God, and not just any angel)in Heaven, but chose sin, chose to question and then rebel against God.  The force also cannot be maniluated, however those who blieve and trust in it, have blessings, abilites, etc. that are far beyond those who do not.......sound familiar?   The same as the Chronicles of Narnia has Aslan giving his innocent life for the sins of another, because it is not so apparent we have more trouble making the connection with Star Wars and others.

Just want to say that I am sorry for my part in hijacking this thread.  If someone wants to start a thread on this particular subject, I will look forward to participating,  that is until it gets real stupid, sorry just my temperment that I don't do stupid very well.  No patience, This is one of the areas in where God has to work with me.........  

[Bob Pickle]

The Review for Sept. 25, 2008, was the week of prayer issue. In the kids' section was a story about Kwame who was arguing that reading the latest book about a boy wizard was just fine, partly because "the story shows how good and evil fights things out and good wins." Carlos in the story didn't buy that, and the moral of the story was that "Satan will use things that seem harmless at first to mislead us."

If Star Wars taught that God is but a force, not a personal being, and that He can be used for good or evil by those who know how to, and if it taught the eastern philosophy that good and evil must be balanced, then there is a definite problem, in my opinion. The film was teaching eastern mysticism and pantheism, not truth.

[Murcielago]

Bob, it doesn't teach anything about God, good or bad. It tells an entertaining fictional story that is meant to be fictional and entertain.

Princess Di, Qui Gon implied to Obi Wan that Anakin may have been concieved of midi chlorians.

[Bob Pickle]

Somehow I think there are psychologists out there that would disagree with the statement that entertaining stories do not teach anything.

Now to get even further off topic, I recall a radio program on which a man who was involved with military training was being interviewed.

He said that every creature has a built in inhibition to killing its own. Piranhas, for example, fight each other with their tails, not their teeth. One of the greater hindrances to the military is the inhibition to pulling the trigger when face to face with another human being, and so the military purposely tries to overcome that.

The Japanese would have an enemy prisoner in a trench, and the soldiers in training would be above the trench. One would jump down to make his first kill while the others cheered. Then after they had all done that they would go out and celebrate with wine, women, and song.

What this military trainer was concerned about was the violence in films and in video games, rewarded positively by popcorn during intermissions and such. He was concerned about all this conditioning people to overcome their inhibitions since there wasn't the type of controls they have in the military. I guess in the military you are conditioned to kill only at certain times, but the media aren't conditioning people to act within certain limits.

Now, back to the off-topic topic. I think many or most psychologists would agree that entertaining stories condition the mind to think in certain ways, similar to this military trainer.

More to the point, if a film portrays pantheism and eastern mysticism as absolute truth, should we be repulsed or entertained by it?

[Murcielago]

Depending on the story, maybe either or both. How about stories that portray other divergences to our doctrines? Would you watch a movie or read a book that depicts the dead as being and active? How about one that portrays the consumption of unclean meat as ok? I don't know. Again, depending on the story, I might be entertained, repulsed, spiritually enlightened or otherwise moved.

[Bob Pickle]

"Would you watch a movie ...."

Can you guess what my answer might  be? 

As far as reading material goes, there is some material that I wouldn't go around promoting that I have read or perused. But why did I read it? For entertainment? Not at all. Rather, I read or perused it in order to be able to explain why the material or the concepts it described had problems. The purpose was pastoral or evangelistic.

Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma was one, which has a bearing on the French Revolution, the deadly wound, 1798, and the occult.

[Daryl Fawcett]

This is all interesting and such, but why is violating the following rule being allowed here?

4.   Members agree to stay on the topic of a particular thread or to start a new topic.  Members also agree to include the complete identifying header when quoting another post.