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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2009, 11:42:25 AM »

Readers,

This was all looked into during the IRS investigation of Danny Shelton and 3ABN which covered all from 2000-2006 and involved questioning many who had knowledge of or input into their financial doings such as accountants, publishers, auditors, ex wives, etc..

If any "wrongdoing" had been going on concerning Remnant publishing ( or even Bob's horse deal), rest assured the IRS would have found it. They are very thorough.

Snoopy does as Bob does, cites his opinions and arguments as facts. His arguments may be based on some facts, but his opinions and conclusions about those things are not facts.

Ian - do you read well?  I cited SIMPSON first.

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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2009, 11:45:41 AM »


I don't really know what is going on... I still do not have the appeal brief, but noticed today that the court docket has been updated:



Now, for once we agree...

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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2009, 11:49:12 AM »

Well Snoopy, it looks like you have learned your craft from Robert very well. 

Quote from: Simpson
Since receiving information designated as “Confidential” under the Order issued in this case, Defendant Joy has published several statements on internet blogs that appear to refer to material he has received under the confidentiality order, which state or at least imply that the material proves wrongdoing on the part of the Plaintiffs. An example is the following statement published shortly after Mr. Joy received material pursuant to a third party subpoena issued to Remnant Publications, which produced records clearly marked as “confidential” under the order issued in this case:


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As you can clearly see, Mr. Simpson refers to the Remnant documents and then cites two postings from Mr. Joy [removed] who is referring to the Remnant evidence, the scope of abuses, and that the evidence will soon be in the hands of the experts.  Mr. Joy makes no mention of the content of the Remnant documents.  Mr. Simpson is the one who makes the connection between “material that proves wrongdoing on the part of the Plaintiffs” and the Remnant documents in asserting that Mr. Joy was revealing confidential information.  Mr. Pickle points this out eloquently on page 9 of his Reply Memorandum in Support of Defendants’ Motion to File Under Seal:

In regards to the emphasized portion of your quote: You have taken an edit out of Atty. Simpson’s document and placed it within a context to insinuate that he “admitted” the Remnant documents were damaging, by doing so you author a blatant lie. Atty. Simpson clearly states that Gailon Joy uses the material to make accusations and imply wrong doing. He clearly is referencing the actions of Gailon Joy and is in no way indicating a belief on his part that the documents prove wrong doing or in any way are damaging. Atty. Simpson has contended all along that the information is private and that is the motive for the confidentiality classification. Your little Frankenstein maneuver is completely transparent. You edit out the phrase with the words “wrong doing” and marry it with Remnant and place the words in the mouth of Atty. Simpson so it appears as if he said the Remnant documents, in his opinion, implicate Danny Shelton. That idea is monster of your invention.

The correct, plain word, reading of the paragraph from the motion clearly shows that Atty. Simpson implicating Gailon Joy as divulging information from confidential documents. Atty. Simpson points out that the presentation of Gailon Joy was one where he attempted to “state or at least imply” that the documents prove wrong doing. One more time, Atty. Simpson makes it clear that Gailon Joy is the one who is claiming “wrong doing” and not Simpson himself.

Quote from: Robert Pickle
The Plaintiffs are well aware that the Defendants have been talking on the internet before this action was filed about Shelton receiving several hundred thousand dollars in royalties, since the Plaintiffs filed the Defendants’ article to this effect as pages 8–10 of Docket Entry # 3-2. As far as whether Remnant’s documents really do prove wrongdoing, Plaintiffs counsel himself asserted in his memorandum in support of his motion to dismiss that to say that those documents prove wrongdoing is to reveal the information those documents contain. (Doc. 121 pp. 7–8). However, Plaintiffs’ counsel wishes to retract that position as well, now maintaining that the Remnant documents do not prove wrongdoing after all.

This is another one of Robert’s classic operations. He seems to be unaware that a judge will not read into a document anything that isn’t there. A judge would not read Atty. Simpson’s motion as anything more than a statement that Gailon Joy had used Remnant documents to “state or at least imply” wrong doing. So, what did Simpson say?

1.   That Gailon Joy was potentially reveling information from classified documents.
2.   That the way in which he presented the information was an attempt to “state or at least imply” wrong doing.

Both points are directed at Gailon Joy and are in no way an “admission” as you and Robert have attempt to reinterpret them.

Robert’s editorial gymnastics are not reasonable, nor convincing in the eyes of a judge. He can continually attempt to convince judges of his point through lies such as these, but a judge will not read anything into the document that isn’t there in the plain language – the same way they approach statutory interpretation.

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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2009, 11:54:08 AM »

Quote from: Ian
And earlier today:

In answer to some emailed questions ... ( it occurred to me that others might have them as well):


I don't know what date the correction to the appeal brief is due by, or if Pickle and Joy have already changed or corrected it. If so.. PACER doesn't give that information or reflect that they have.

It seems safe to presume though that after waiting till the last possible moment to file the appeal brief, this further delay by them puts the 30 days which 3abn has to respond to the Pickle and Joy appeal brief even further into the future...

..ian

Any delay that is caused by motions on the part of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle will move 3ABN's reply accordingly. It would, of course, be difficult for 3ABN to reply to a filling by Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle that - by their own admission - was incorrect. They will be allowed to wait for the corrected filing until their clock begins ticking.

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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 12:04:58 PM »

Well Snoopy, it looks like you have learned your craft from Robert very well. 

Quote from: Simpson
Since receiving information designated as “Confidential” under the Order issued in this case, Defendant Joy has published several statements on internet blogs that appear to refer to material he has received under the confidentiality order, which state or at least imply that the material proves wrongdoing on the part of the Plaintiffs. An example is the following statement published shortly after Mr. Joy received material pursuant to a third party subpoena issued to Remnant Publications, which produced records clearly marked as “confidential” under the order issued in this case:


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As you can clearly see, Mr. Simpson refers to the Remnant documents and then cites two postings from Mr. Joy [removed] who is referring to the Remnant evidence, the scope of abuses, and that the evidence will soon be in the hands of the experts.  Mr. Joy makes no mention of the content of the Remnant documents.  Mr. Simpson is the one who makes the connection between “material that proves wrongdoing on the part of the Plaintiffs” and the Remnant documents in asserting that Mr. Joy was revealing confidential information.  Mr. Pickle points this out eloquently on page 9 of his Reply Memorandum in Support of Defendants’ Motion to File Under Seal:

In regards to the emphasized portion of your quote: You have taken an edit out of Atty. Simpson’s document and placed it within a context to insinuate that he “admitted” the Remnant documents were damaging, by doing so you author a blatant lie. Atty. Simpson clearly states that Gailon Joy uses the material to make accusations and imply wrong doing. He clearly is referencing the actions of Gailon Joy and is in no way indicating a belief on his part that the documents prove wrong doing or in any way are damaging. Atty. Simpson has contended all along that the information is private and that is the motive for the confidentiality classification. Your little Frankenstein maneuver is completely transparent. You edit out the phrase with the words “wrong doing” and marry it with Remnant and place the words in the mouth of Atty. Simpson so it appears as if he said the Remnant documents, in his opinion, implicate Danny Shelton. That idea is monster of your invention.

The correct, plain word, reading of the paragraph from the motion clearly shows that Atty. Simpson implicating Gailon Joy as divulging information from confidential documents. Atty. Simpson points out that the presentation of Gailon Joy was one where he attempted to “state or at least imply” that the documents prove wrong doing. One more time, Atty. Simpson makes it clear that Gailon Joy is the one who is claiming “wrong doing” and not Simpson himself.

Quote from: Robert Pickle
The Plaintiffs are well aware that the Defendants have been talking on the internet before this action was filed about Shelton receiving several hundred thousand dollars in royalties, since the Plaintiffs filed the Defendants’ article to this effect as pages 8–10 of Docket Entry # 3-2. As far as whether Remnant’s documents really do prove wrongdoing, Plaintiffs counsel himself asserted in his memorandum in support of his motion to dismiss that to say that those documents prove wrongdoing is to reveal the information those documents contain. (Doc. 121 pp. 7–8). However, Plaintiffs’ counsel wishes to retract that position as well, now maintaining that the Remnant documents do not prove wrongdoing after all.

This is another one of Robert’s classic operations. He seems to be unaware that a judge will not read into a document anything that isn’t there. A judge would not read Atty. Simpson’s motion as anything more than a statement that Gailon Joy had used Remnant documents to “state or at least imply” wrong doing. So, what did Simpson say?

1.   That Gailon Joy was potentially reveling information from classified documents.
2.   That the way in which he presented the information was an attempt to “state or at least imply” wrong doing.

Both points are directed at Gailon Joy and are in no way an “admission” as you and Robert have attempt to reinterpret them.

Robert’s editorial gymnastics are not reasonable, nor convincing in the eyes of a judge. He can continually attempt to convince judges of his point through lies such as these, but a judge will not read anything into the document that isn’t there in the plain language – the same way they approach statutory interpretation.

anyman


Nope - sorry "any(wo)man", or should I call you Lucinda??

I didn't "edit out" anything Mr. Simpson said.  Did you actually read what he said or just rush to attack me??  I simply read the filings and made my own interpretation.


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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2009, 01:24:54 PM »

Well Snoopy, it looks like you have learned your craft from Robert very well. 

In regards to the emphasized portion of your quote: You have taken an edit out of Atty. Simpson’s document and placed it within a context to insinuate that he “admitted” the Remnant documents were damaging, by doing so you author a blatant lie. Atty. Simpson clearly states that Gailon Joy uses the material to make accusations and imply wrong doing. He clearly is referencing the actions of Gailon Joy and is in no way indicating a belief on his part that the documents prove wrong doing or in any way are damaging. Atty. Simpson has contended all along that the information is private and that is the motive for the confidentiality classification. Your little Frankenstein maneuver is completely transparent. You edit out the phrase with the words “wrong doing” and marry it with Remnant and place the words in the mouth of Atty. Simpson so it appears as if he said the Remnant documents, in his opinion, implicate Danny Shelton. That idea is monster of your invention.

The correct, plain word, reading of the paragraph from the motion clearly shows that Atty. Simpson implicating Gailon Joy as divulging information from confidential documents. Atty. Simpson points out that the presentation of Gailon Joy was one where he attempted to “state or at least imply” that the documents prove wrong doing. One more time, Atty. Simpson makes it clear that Gailon Joy is the one who is claiming “wrong doing” and not Simpson himself.


This is true. Snoopy asked if you read what Simpson said, but her interpretation has me wondering if she did.

His reply to Pickle and Joy's motion was quoted on the other forum in it's entirety. His meaning is perfectly clear.

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PLAINTIFFS’ OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO FILE UNDER SEAL

 This constitutes the Plaintiffs’ Opposition to Defendants’ Motion to File Under Seal (Doc. 153). Over the relevancy objections of Remnant Publications, Inc. and the Plaintiffs, Defendants convinced the District Court for the Western District of Michigan to allow them access to records regarding dealings between Remnant and the Plaintiffs. However, the Michigan court expressly ordered that the Remnant documents were being produced “subject to the Protective Order already entered in the underlying case.” (Simpson Aff. Ex. 1).

On October 30, 2008, as part of its order dismissing the case, this Court ordered Defendants to return all confidential documents. (Electronic Clerk’s Notes for proceedings held before Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV – Affidavit of M. Gregory Simpson Ex. 2). Defendants refused to comply with this Court’s order, both with respect to the Remnant documents at issue in this motion and with respect to all other documents designated as confidential under Judge Hillman’s Protective Order entered on April 17, 2008 (Doc. 60). (See Simpson Aff. Exs. 3 & 4). Judge Hillman’s order had permitted the designation of documents as “confidential” whether they were produced by a party or a third party. (Doc. 60 at pp. 1-2). The Remnant documents were designated as confidential by both Remnant and Plaintiffs. They were ordered produced with that express understanding.

Instead of complying with this Court’s order to return the Remnant documents, Defendants began talking freely about them on the internet, stating falsely that they prove wrongdoing by the Plaintiffs. (See Simpson Aff. Exs. 5 and 6). At the same time, Defendant Joy began making veiled death threats against the Plaintiffs, suggesting that Plaintiff Shelton was like a conquered king and “you know what they do with conquered kings? Ask the czar and his entire family!!!” (Simpson Aff. Ex. 6), and referring to his actions against Shelton and supporters of the Plaintiffs as “ethnic cleansing.” (Simpson Aff. Ex. 7).

Now, in a rather transparent effort to publicize documents that had no relevance to the underlying lawsuit and even less relevance to the motion at hand, Defendants move to file Exhibit A to the Affidavit of Robert Pickle (Doc. 152), under seal. The benefit of filing the document under seal is somewhat diminished, however, by Defendants’ description of Exhibit A as “a selection of the documents from Remnant [Publications, Inc.] pertaining to kickbacks and/or royalties from Remnant to DLS Publishing, Inc….” The point of filing these documents under seal is obviously undermined by Defendants’ characterization of what they represent. (In point of fact, the Remnant documents reflect perfectly legal transactions that have been fully vetted by certified public accountants and evidence no wrongdoing by anybody).

Quite frankly, Defendants have been talking about these documents on the internet for some time now. The only apparent purpose of this motion is to provide Defendants a forum to publicly characterize confidential documents that they have been ordered to return to Defendants. By calling these documents evidence of “kickbacks and/or royalties” in a public filing, the Defendants can now quote themselves endlessly on the internet, as they tend to do, with citation to a public filing for support. They have abused the judicial process hopefully for the last time.

The motion should be denied because Exhibit A does not contain admissible
evidence. Evidence is admissible if and only if it is relevant. Fed. R. Evid. 402.
Evidence is relevant if it tends to make the existence of any fact that is of consequence to the determination of the action more probable or less probable than it would be without the evidence. Fed. R. Evid. 401.

This case is over. It has been dismissed. The only remaining issue is the pending motion by Defendants for reimbursement of “costs,” which to them means every expense they incurred that is metaphysically related to this case, including Mr. Pickle’s cost ofshowering at a camp site while supposedly traveling to investigate allegations related to the lawsuit. The Court is well-advised of the parties’ positions with respect to that motion, and has no need of Mr. Pickle’s laughably twisted take on the royalty payments reflected in the Remnant documents.

Pickle’s affidavit indicates that the Remnant documents somehow show that the lawsuit itself was frivolous. This contention is itself frivolous. The lawsuit mentions royalties in just two allegations: Complaint ¶ 46(h) and 46(i) – alleging that Defendants defamed Plaintiffs by stating that Shelton refused to disclose royalties in divorce proceedings. There was never any dispute that Remnant paid royalties. The issue was whether these were properly disclosed. Defendants have never produced even an iota of evidence that the Remnant royalty payments were improperly characterized in any court proceeding or in IRS reporting. All the evidence has been to the contrary.

Defendants’ motion for costs should not become a backdoor means of arguing the merits of the case. The point of dismissing the lawsuit was to stop the lawsuit prior to reaching a determination on the merits, to spare the resources of the Court and the parties. Defendants did not see fit to offer Exhibit A in connection with that motion, and should not be allowed to add new arguments and evidence in support of their position now. If the merits of a dismissed lawsuit are to be addressed in the context of a motion for costs, there is no opportunity for Plaintiffs to respond adequately. Further, the benefit of dismissing the case would be lost if Plaintiffs were now forced to produce all the evidence that supported the case in what would be an endless procession of affidavits from the many witnesses who would have proven Plaintiffs claims had the case proceeded to a resolution on the merits.

If the Court is inclined to consider Exhibit A, then Plaintiffs agree that it should be filed under seal. The best course of action would be to deny Defendants permission to file it at all.
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2009, 08:26:57 AM »

anyman above cites Simpson's capitulation of his former position.

Simpson in his motion to dismiss claimed that Gailon's mere suggestion that the Remnant documents were evidence of wrongdoing was to disclose their contents. But Simpson's argument requires that those documents actually be evidence of wrongdoing. If they aren't, then it can't be argued that Gailon was disclosing anything they contain.

Later, Simpson denied that there was any evidence of wrongdoing in those documents, and I subsequently pointed out that he had reversed his position.
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2009, 12:44:29 PM »

anyman above cites Simpson's capitulation of his former position. Simpson in his motion to dismiss claimed that Gailon's mere suggestion that the Remnant documents were evidence of wrongdoing was to disclose their contents. But Simpson's argument requires that those documents actually be evidence of wrongdoing. If they aren't, then it can't be argued that Gailon was disclosing anything they contain.Later, Simpson denied that there was any evidence of wrongdoing in those documents, and I subsequently pointed out that he had reversed his position.

Mr Bob,

I do not see Attorney Simpson saying anything close to that in his motion to dismiss.

To be perfectly frank your renditions and interpretations of what others say and mean have throughout this entire saga bordered on the fantastical. Those things may be your opinion but your opinions are not facts and others such as myself do not have your understanding or come to the same conclusions when looking at the facts and documents entered into these dialogs.

 I find myself in complete agreement with Attorney Simpson's words to the Judge after hearing you tell the Judge what he had said to you.

How many times have you claimed this very thing in dialogs here. It was most interesting to me to read in the transcript from the motion to dismiss hearing that Simpson regards your reciting of his oral words the same way that many others do your written words conveying what others said or meant after looking at what was really said.

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MR. PICKLE: And, your Honor, this is Bob Pickle
again.
Attorney Simpson told me on Friday, the 17th -- well,
he called me up and made a settlement proposal, and one thing
he said was that if we didn't agree, you know, to settle, that
one thing that the plaintiffs could do is to file a motion to
dismiss, and it would be just kind of automatic, and there
wouldn't be anything further we could do about it. So, I point
blank asked him, Are you going to file a -- a motion to
dismiss? And he told me no. And then six days later, he went
ahead and filed it, and it just took us by surprise.
In our opinion, he didn't follow -- and he never
talked to Mr. Joy about it at all. In our opinion, he did not
comply with local Rule 7.1.



MR. SIMPSON: May I address that, your Honor?
THE COURT: Very -- very briefly, yes.
MR. SIMPSON: Just, it's a certain Alice in Wonderland
quality to this whole litigation and hearing my conversations
with Mr. Pickle translated back to you, your Honor, that's not
at all what the conversation was like.


  I read the rule to Mr. Pickle, Rule 41, including the
terms and conditions, and we discussed whether there was any
possible -- possible basis on which they would agree to the
dismissal of the lawsuit. He said that he would speak with Mr.
Joy over the weekend, get back to me on Monday, if there was an
interest; and he didn't get back to me and continued to move
forward with the lawsuit.

THE COURT: All right. All right.
MR. SIMPSON: So that's -- that's all I want to say.
THE COURT: Okay. I've heard enough. My order will
issue.




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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2009, 02:45:37 PM »

Nosir,
Does it matter if the appellate brief is denied in the long run?  If it is then maybe the former defendants will become the future plaintiffs and the former plaintiffs will become the future defendants. :wave: Alot of the motions of the existing plaintiffs appear to be covering incriminating evidence.  :oops: There are just to many holes in the plaintiffs case.  :wave: :wave: Do you think the existing defendants are going away? Please!

I wonder if the plaintiff's counsel will ever let this case or cases get to the point of depositions.  :ROFL: :wave: :ROFL:
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2009, 03:56:39 PM »

1. Yes it does matter. They must actually have a cause of action - without they don't even get on the playground.

2. Your comment, “[] the motions of the existing plaintiffs appear to be covering incriminating evidence” is nothing more than mere opinion, based on the questionable commentary of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle. The plaintiff motions were only standard legal strategy and not intended to hide anything. The motions were intended to keep information out of the hands of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle. Why? Because they have displayed a propensity to take straight forward communication, edit them, reinterpret the edited portions, and present them to the public as the "truth," via duplicitous manufacturing.  Evidence throughout has proven this to be the fact. Case in point, the document currently under discussion is a perfect example. Atty. Simpson did not change his position. His position remained consistent throughout. It is clear when one reads the documents that Atty. Simpson indicated to the court, not that the Remnant documents indicated wrong-doing, but that in the hands of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle they would be manipulated and misrepresented in an effort to suggest or imply that they evidenced wrong-doing. Therefore Robert’s claim that Atty. Simpson changed his position is achingly unfounded. That example along with the Robert Pickle representation of the Friday 17th conversation is enough (let alone the fact there are a myriad of other instances) to lead Atty. Simpson to make his Alice in Wonderland reference. It is clear, in the record, that the conversation on the 17th put the ball in the court of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle and they chose not to return it.

3. It would appear that your question about “going away” makes one wonder how you feel about the court apparently encouraging just that.

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THE COURT: Well, my concern, obviously, is I – I strongly encourage both sides to, if that's what they want to do, to walk away from this dispute in whole or in part.

Summary judgment may give the current defendants no choice.

4. The defendants were the ones who delayed depositions, rendering your last musing misdirected.

Nosir,
Does it matter if the appellate brief is denied in the long run?  If it is then maybe the former defendants will become the future plaintiffs and the former plaintiffs will become the future defendants. Alot of the motions of the existing plaintiffs appear to be covering incriminating evidence. There are just to many holes in the plaintiffs case. Do you think the existing defendants are going away? Please!

I wonder if the plaintiff's counsel will ever let this case or cases get to the point of depositions.
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2009, 12:01:32 PM »

anyman above cites Simpson's capitulation of his former position. Simpson in his motion to dismiss claimed that Gailon's mere suggestion that the Remnant documents were evidence of wrongdoing was to disclose their contents. But Simpson's argument requires that those documents actually be evidence of wrongdoing. If they aren't, then it can't be argued that Gailon was disclosing anything they contain.Later, Simpson denied that there was any evidence of wrongdoing in those documents, and I subsequently pointed out that he had reversed his position.

Mr Bob,

I do not see Attorney Simpson saying anything close to that in his motion to dismiss.

It's right there:

Quote from: Simpson
Since receiving information designated as “Confidential” under the Order issued in this case, Defendant Joy has published several statements on internet blogs that appear to refer to material he has received under the confidentiality order, which state or at least imply that the material proves wrongdoing on the part of the Plaintiffs. ...

Thus, the threat that the Defendants may reveal the contents of confidential information is not merely an idle possibility. Mr. Joy is doing it already.

Thus Simpson, on pages 7 and 8 of http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-121.pdf said that to state that these documents prove wrongdoing is to reveal their contents. That can only be true if the documents do indeed prove wrongdoing.

I find myself in complete agreement with Attorney Simpson's words to the Judge after hearing you tell the Judge what he had said to you.

Did you notice that Simpson never explicitly denied that he had told me that he wouldn't file a motion to dismiss?

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MR. SIMPSON: May I address that, your Honor?
THE COURT: Very -- very briefly, yes.
MR. SIMPSON: Just, it's a certain Alice in Wonderland
quality to this whole litigation and hearing my conversations
with Mr. Pickle translated back to you, your Honor, that's not
at all what the conversation was like.


  I read the rule to Mr. Pickle, Rule 41, including the
terms and conditions, and we discussed whether there was any
possible -- possible basis on which they would agree to the
dismissal of the lawsuit. He said that he would speak with Mr.
Joy over the weekend, get back to me on Monday, if there was an
interest; and he didn't get back to me and continued to move
forward with the lawsuit.

THE COURT: All right. All right.
MR. SIMPSON: So that's -- that's all I want to say.
THE COURT: Okay. I've heard enough. My order will
issue.

See. He never explicitly denied saying he wouldn't file such a motion. Furthermore, the day before he filed his motion, October 22, he told the court in southern Illinois something about their next production of documents. Those were due on October 27. But before the day was out on October 23, he wrote me and said he wouldn't be producing anything on Oct. 27 because of his motion to dismiss.

In other words, on October 22, he acted as if he would not be filing his motion to dismiss. That's not above board.
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2009, 12:09:34 PM »

The plaintiff motions were only standard legal strategy and not intended to hide anything.

Danny and 3ABN have no business using the ungodly strategies of the ungodly. And you are lying when you say that those strategies were not intended to hide anything.

Because they have displayed a propensity to take straight forward communication, edit them, reinterpret the edited portions, and present them to the public as the "truth," via duplicitous manufacturing.  Evidence throughout has proven this to be the fact.

No such evidence was ever filed with the court.

That example along with the Robert Pickle representation of the Friday 17th conversation is enough (let alone the fact there are a myriad of other instances) to lead Atty. Simpson to make his Alice in Wonderland reference. It is clear, in the record, that the conversation on the 17th put the ball in the court of Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle and they chose not to return it.

On what basis have you chosen to believe Simpson instead of me? What proof do you have that Simpson didn't say what I said he said? Simpson never even filed an affidavit about it, and I did. Further, I fled an email that was written days before Simpson filed his motion, and email which said that Simpson said he wouldn't file such a motion.

Now how do you explain that one? Clearly, one could falsely insinuate that I made that up in order to combat Simpson's motion, EXCEPT that the email is dated prior to the filing of the motion.

4. The defendants were the ones who delayed depositions, rendering your last musing misdirected.

When did we ever delay depositions? Where did you get this from? From Simpson?
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2009, 10:58:27 PM »

After reading the brief filed by 3ABN, I can understand why you are so angry.
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2009, 09:03:20 AM »

Angry? Why should I be angry?

Again, on what objective basis are you taking their word for things? You read their brief and not ours, and then conclude that we're wrong and they're right? On what basis?

And why have you avoided the questions I asked above?
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Re: Appellant brief filed
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2009, 12:09:02 PM »

You assume I haven't read your brief (which is a misnomer).

Angry? Why should I be angry?

Again, on what objective basis are you taking their word for things? You read their brief and not ours, and then conclude that we're wrong and they're right? On what basis?

And why have you avoided the questions I asked above?
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