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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2009, 07:28:37 PM »

Yeah, I have that PM somewhere!  I will search for it.  I sent a copy to Linda, Johann and Derrell too way back then. The amount may have been $50.00 and not $20.00.  I will have to check and verify that, but it was $50.00 or under.  That PM might be quite interesting after all this time, huh?

Fran,

So 3ABN World said that Mending Broken People was going to be published that month, November 2004, but the copyright date says 2005.

You mention Nick Miller. I don't know what all concerned Nick, but he became concerned in January 2005. Sounds like it could have had something to do with MBP, but I don't know.

You say Nick told you that Danny wasn't making any royalties to speak of? Do you have that email or PM or letter?
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2009, 04:06:04 AM »

I have just discovered that at least 5 hacking tools have tried to attack my computer within the last month. Fortunately I have an insurance that will investigate.
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2009, 05:55:26 AM »

This whole topic is becoming more pathetic and desperate with every post.  :help:

Quoting Bob's theories even if from a court filing proves nothing Fran, especially as he just dreamed it up and his theory has nothing to do with reality, nor do yours...

DLS publishing is Danny Shelton's personal company, not 3abn's, and he and it had nothing to do with authoring or publishing "Mending broken people" or the other books you mention...

The Publisher of "Mending Broken People" is:   Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Pacific Press Publishing Association 2005

The author is Kay Kuzma. Any royalties would therefore go to her.

(and btw authors are entitled to royalties, not their employers, EGW said so! Pickle knows the quote!)

As far as the copyright being in 2005? give me a break! Regardless of Pickle's unsupported theories about the articles being written months before being published ( ask 3abn and you will find this is not the case...)2005 was only weeks after the announcement in 3abn world that the book was to be published, and that is not unreasonable nor unusual at all.

Also btw, anyone know who the two different publishers were for the "The Antichrist agenda", and "The 10 commandments twice removed" books? or who owns the copyright, and how that affects things? or how much Shelly Quinn made in royalties as the co-author? Surely she doesn't owe Linda royalties along with Kay Kuzma, Brenda Walsh, and DS, and a host of other authors of books sold on the 3abn website? (as well as at ABC, etc?)

Why does Pickle always leave that and Shelly Quinn out when talking about all the money he thinks is kickbacks and owed to Linda, and pretend any royalties only went to DS, and that he published the books himself??

Inquiring minds want to know..

 
ok, carry on...

edited to add, yes Fran do check that Nick Miller pm, according to the local tax case in Illinois it was Linda who received that 20.00, not Danny... and.. Is he still a member on the forums? I have some questions for him, if so...

I went over to BSDA and did some searches of past postings.  I did a search looking up “Kuzma.”  I figured it would talk about "Mending Broken People."  I had to go back several times to read them all. 

Then I started searching downloaded court documents and BINGO!  There it was! It makes perfect sense!

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Bob:  Yes, it says it would be published in November 2004. The copy for the November 2004 issue of 3ABN World may have been written by the end of September 2004.

But the copyright date in the book says 2005. Why?


DLS Publishing was not incorporated until November 30, 2004, the month the book was to be published was November, 2004. 

Why was it copyrighted in 2005? 

They had to make sure none of the royalties would begin in 2004 for Linda to make claim to!

I wondered why Kay Kuzma’s book would make a difference until I read the following!

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Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 1 of 14

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
 
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., 
an Illinois non-profit corporation, and 
Danny Lee Shelton, individually.                                                                            Case No.: 07-40098-FDS

Plaintiffs, 
v. s.
Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, )

Defendants. )


Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 9 of 14

38. Mending Broken People, inter alia, helped establish that Shelton was funneling money attributable to his pre-divorce activities through DLS, since this book was mostly done before Shelton’s divorce in June 2004, DLS wasn’t incorporated until November 30, 2004, and DLS was being paid royalties on sales of this book.


Ding, ding!  Danny was getting royalties for the book that took 7 years to get published!  Linda should get ½ of those royalties!

DLS Publishing got credit for Danny’s free advertising and promotion of the book!  Danny is receiving those royalties as well as Kay Kuzma.  Donors paid for all that advertising!  However, Danny got the royalties!

Just to cover their plan, the book was delayed to keep any royalties coming in until 2005.  Well the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.

September 2004 issue of 3ABN World brought us Kay Kuzma as the new director of 3ABN Books.   More free advertising.  There was a 3ABN Today and another program pushing the book.

Read the above excerpts from Document 152 dated 12/8/2008 again.

There are more books out there.  Did Danny also get royalties from "A Channel of Blessing"? 

They may have been paid royalties under the D&LS company that DLS replaced?

What about Brenda Walsh’s books?  Did Danny get royalties from that also?

I remember asking Linda Shelton a fist full of questions on CA when she was interviewed.  Nick Miller sent me a PM on those questions and assured me that Danny had only received a $20.00 royalty - ever! 

Was this one of the things that set Nick Miller out for a search? 

Nick said there were no other co-operations.  Did he finally figure out differently, because later he found out that Danny WAS receiving big bucks in royalties? 

Not even the 3ABN board knew he was receiving all these royalties!

Yeah, it all makes perfect sense to me now. 



Linda,

Get some one that can really dig!  There is a gold mine out there that is ½ yours!

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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2009, 06:57:53 AM »

Ian, you appear to be confused.

If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?

Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?

Now we know the answer, thanks to the 11/04 issue of 3ABN World. MBP was done first, and the change of publisher for AA was made after MBP was completed.

That makes it even clearer that there was a delay in publishing MBP. If AA came out in 2004, so did MBP, but it apparently didn't.

Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 07:00:29 AM »

So why did the 11/04 issue go missing?

If the 9/04 issue went missing to hide the fact that Antichrist Agenda is marital property, then the 11/04 issue probably went missing to hide the fact that MBP is marital property too, and/or to hide the fact that its being published was delayed in order to make it appear that it came out later than it did.
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2009, 07:01:15 AM »

DLS publishing is Danny Shelton's personal company, not 3abn's, and he and it had nothing to do with authoring or publishing "Mending broken people" or the other books you mention...

Why's he getting royalties on it then?
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2009, 07:14:54 AM »

Ian, you appear to be confused.

If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?

It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.

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Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?

again, a quote would be nice... and just because 3abn sells a book it doesn't mean they published the book... nor does it mean Danny gets the money from those sales, any profits would go to the 3abn ministry, not him.. Also as should be a given, the books themselves are a better verification and proof of who the publisher is. What does the Antichrist Agenda book say, Bob? Hint you can find the answer at your local book and bible store and on their website also...

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Now we know the answer, thanks to the 11/04 issue of 3ABN World. MBP was done first, and the change of publisher for AA was made after MBP was completed.

That makes it even clearer that there was a delay in publishing MBP. If AA came out in 2004, so did MBP, but it apparently didn't.

:hamster:  :hamster:  :hamster:

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Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?


You are big on questions and demands and short on answers... so I am not terribly inclined to go do your work for you. sorry.
Why don't you find out these things yourself before publishing your unsupported and false "theories" and "judgments"? It will help keep you honest and credible imo. smile.

Make sense?

And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??

 I have spent enough time on this topic, toodles..

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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2009, 07:40:32 AM »

Ian, you appear to be confused.

If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?

It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.

What does the contract say, Ian? Or did you forget to download that exhibit from PACER?

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Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?

again, a quote would be nice... and just because 3abn sells a book it doesn't mean they published the book... nor does it mean Danny gets the money from those sales, any profits would go to the 3abn ministry, not him.. Also as should be a given, the books themselves are a better verification and proof of who the publisher is. What does the Antichrist Agenda book say, Bob? Hint you can find the answer at your local book and bible store and on their website also...

Not sure what you mean here.

Danny made hefty profits by selling AA to 3ABN.

My copy of AA says that DLS published it. Seen the copy of that on PACER?

As far as the quote goes from MBP, seen that on PACER?

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Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?

You are big on questions and demands and short on answers... so I am not terribly inclined to go do your work for you. sorry.
Why don't you find out these things yourself before publishing your unsupported and false "theories" and "judgments"? It will help keep you honest and credible imo. smile.

Make sense?

Not at all. You wrote as if you knew the facts. If you don't, you shouldn't have written that way.

And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??

Never said anything about why they didn't get uploaded, because they did get uploaded. They were deleted!

Who deleted those issues and why? Was it all a conspiracy to hide Danny's profits so that Linda couldn't get any?

The best evidence Steve Nelson can give to the contrary is to restore those missing issues pronto. Every day they remain missing from 3ABN's website is further evidence that there has been a conspiracy to hide the fact that AA and MBP are marital property.
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2009, 12:03:17 PM »

So why did the 11/04 issue go missing?

If the 9/04 issue went missing to hide the fact that Antichrist Agenda is marital property, then the 11/04 issue probably went missing to hide the fact that MBP is marital property too, and/or to hide the fact that its being published was delayed in order to make it appear that it came out later than it did.



And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??

Never said anything about why they didn't get uploaded, because they did get uploaded. They were deleted!

Who deleted those issues and why? Was it all a conspiracy to hide Danny's profits so that Linda couldn't get any?

The best evidence Steve Nelson can give to the contrary is to restore those missing issues pronto. Every day they remain missing from 3ABN's website is further evidence that there has been a conspiracy to hide the fact that AA and MBP are marital property.




Ok Bob, I'm back. Enough is enough! You are spreading lies here, and you really need to stop. For shame.

There is no conspiracy. Those issues never went missing because first of all they were mailed out to a whole lot of subscribers, and second they were NEVER on the 3abn website. They never got uploaded ever!


It isn't just your 2 issues which are not on the 3abn website in pdf format it is all of the issues for the year 2004.


Why? well because it wasn't till Feb 2, 2007 that any issues of World Magazine were uploaded to 3abn's website in pdf format, and the oldest edition uploaded at that time was September 2006.

How do I know this? a little thing called the internet archives...



This is the first time they appeared on the website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206111410/www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm


See for yourself.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.3abn.org

Here's a year ago...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820054624/www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm

It is only recently that those before Sept 2006 were added and they still only go back to 2005...
http://www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm

Learn to prove things!


(edited to add current link to magazine archives, and quote)
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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2009, 12:29:06 PM »

There is no conspiracy. Those issues never went missing because first of all they were mailed out to a whole lot of subscribers, and second they were NEVER on the 3abn website. They never got uploaded ever!

False. Absolutely false.

It isn't just your 2 issues which are not on the 3abn website in pdf format it is all of the issues for the year 2004.

How did I download the 10/04 and 12/04 issues?

Why? well because it wasn't till Feb 2, 2007 that any issues of World Magazine were uploaded to 3abn's website in pdf format, and the oldest edition uploaded at that time was September 2006.

You're wrong again.
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2009, 04:11:00 PM »

Ian click on the following link why don't you.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/

If you go back through the months you will find that 3ABN has been posting PDF version of "Catch The Vision" and then "3ABN World" for many years prior to 2007. Its all right there in the archives now isn't it.

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Re: Why 3ABN World issue was missing
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2009, 04:32:52 PM »

Ian click on the following link why don't you.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/

If you go back through the months you will find that 3ABN has been posting PDF version of "Catch The Vision" and then "3ABN World" for many years prior to 2007. Its all right there in the archives now isn't it.

George

Yes George you are correct. 3abn uploaded each month's version on their home page and each issue was available there for for that month.

I was wrong in stating that issues for 2004 were never uploaded to their website. My apologies.

To be more precise--> 3abn began to archive old issues and added a link to that archive on their main page in Feb 2007. At that time the oldest issue available was Sept 2006. None of the 2004 issues have ever been available in that archive page on 3abn, as the internet archives also show.

This may change. Recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...

better? :)

..ian




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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2009, 04:38:44 PM »

Yes George you are correct. 3abn uploaded each months version on their home page and were available there for for that month only.

I was wrong in stating that issues for 2004 were never on their website. My apologies.

To be more precise--> 3abn began to archive old issues and added a link to that archive on their main page in Feb 2007. At that time the oldest issue available was Sept 2006. None of the 2004 issues have ever been available in that archive page on 3abn, as the internet archives also show.

This may not always be true as recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...

better? :)

Time and research (done by people who have the time and inclination) will tell.
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2009, 04:52:44 PM »

This may not always be true as recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...

They are trying to hide the 2004 issues. The two in question were deleted, as was the 8/05 issue.

See if you can find the 8/05 issue. It isn't there. The link is dead.
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2009, 07:30:09 PM »

Ian;

They files are alive!  Then the files are dead!  Then the files are resurected!  Just like in Bibe times.  This has to be documented for sure so it can be passed on for the following generations!

Have you by chance been stealing my files?  How did you know that Nick Miller said the royalties were only $20.00?  Where did the rest of "Linda's" royalties go?  She was supposed to receive royalties, where are they?

Did you get a copy of the PM?  Did Danny tell you what it was?  3ABN kept his computer files at 3ABN.  Maybe it was Danny that fed Nick that false information.

You really need to read all those things you put up for download.  Some may jump up and bite you in the kazoo!

Face it, we are witnessing things done in secret coming back out in the open to bite someone!

Give it up, the documents speak volumes.  Get your reading glasses and read the writing on the wall.  It is you that are actuaaly the factually challenged one.  Go home a put your lies on your own space!  We know better now.

I am taking all the documents and reading them in order now.  It is a lot of reading, Doc 152 has only 14 pages of line items, However, the remaining 200 pages are exhibits!  All very revealing!   

Everyone should read them all!  It looks like the trial is still going.  I thought 3ABN was claiming it was over?  A lot has been going on!

It ain't over!  The judges remarks were sort of funny!

Someone needs to publish the documents in order and publish them!  Exciting reading.  Especially all the exhibits.  I am missing a few though.

The judge has a clue what is going on.  Shows he can read!  He knows the story of David and Goliath for sure!

I will be back after reading more and cutting and pasting contracts and other exhibits.


Bob,

Shame on you for not posting this document and telling all of us to read it for sure!  This a doozie for sure!

 
Ian;

Toddles, for now, I am off for more reading!
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