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[ex3abnemployee]

I recently heard a telephone message left for Pastor Glenn Dryden by Danny Shelton in 2003. Danny was referring to the letter that Dryden sent out saying that Tommy had molested as least 6 boys. Danny said twice that "in this case" the statute of limitations had run out.

That got me to thinking: What does he mean by "in this case"? Is he admitting that there was, in fact, an incident where Tommy broke the law? What "case" could he be talking about? It appears to have been something illegal, because he mentioned the statute of limitations.

Another question comes to mind: If the letter was about Tommy, why is Danny making the phone call? Hmmm...

I wonder if any light could be shed on this.

[Bob Pickle]

I would like to point out that we have yet another smoking gun here.

http://www.save-3abn.com/glenn-dryden-to-walt-thompson-may-2003.htm

http://www.save-3abn.com/mike-riva-to-glenn-dryden-june-2003.htm

Notice that Dryden's correspondence is in two parts: His letter, and the action items.

Notice that Dryden's letter doesn't mention anything about statute of limitations or Senate Bill 1035. Notice that the action items mention those things.

Now notice that since Riva's letter mentions statute of limitations and Senate Bill 1035, it proves that Riva had the action items, not just Dryden's letter. Thus in 2003 Riva knew or should have known that Tommy was being asked in those action items to apologize for deceit and inappropriate behavior to the Community Church of God in Dunn Loring, where he pastored from about 1995 to about 2000.

Thus Riva knew or should have known that there probably were incidents for which the statute of limitations had not run out yet.

[Bob Pickle]

The same logic applies to the recordings Duane says he listened to.

[Bob Pickle]

I think it is quite telling that Junebug, anyman, and Ian have spent so much effort in another thread talking about a paternity test and have made no comments in this thread, as well as no comments in the thread about Brenda Walsh and Delta Airlines.

[Emma]

Whether or not this comment stirred up some action, there are now replies in the Brenda/Delta thread.

[Bob Pickle]

I'll copy this post from elsewhere.

Per review of recent court filings and Bob's transcription of voicemail messages left by Dan Shelton for Pastor Dryden, it looks to me like Dan Shelton was clearly aware of the recent allegations against Tommy.

The following excerpt is copied directly from http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-171.pdf:


10. Dryden gave me recordings of two phone messages left by Danny Shelton on the Ezra Church of God’s answering machine on May 23, 2003, at 10:25 am and 11:50 am. These recordings are found in the MP3 file in the folder on Ex. H labeled in part Folder 1.

11. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 10:25 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn, this is Danny Shelton. Uh, I was wanting to talking to you for a few minutes, if I could. I’m leaving though in about an hour. It’s 10:25 I think I’m, A.M. on Friday. I’m leaving in about an hour for Canada, uh, for tomorrow and tomorrow night, but I’ll be back, uh, over the weekend.

I want to talk to you a little bit about a letter that I found that, that didn’t have a signature but uh, anyway, they said you put it together.

And I wanted to talk to you about this bill that you’re saying been introduced that the governor’s going to sign. I’ve done homework on it. I’ve put an attorney to see about the statute of limitations, and basically [clears throat] what happens if the statutes run out it does not go back [clears throat] any, any [clears throat] excuse me, any person that’s over 28 years of age, uh, cannot the statute of limitations run out. It will not go back. If the statutes of limitations, is what I want to tell you, has run out already, which it has in this case, you can’t go back.
 
This is only if somebody, say it’s been 8 years, uh, since it of been happened, uh, then that will be stretched to 20 years. But if the 10 years is already passed, in this case which it has, uh, then that statute left, the new bill does not affect that.

I’ve got this through an attorney who went through not only the state’s attorney that didn’t know but the, the uh appellate courts and all the way to the state level. And I thought you should know that because for you to be putting out some of these letters that you’re putting out, you might want to be careful what, what you’re putting out or what you’re saying, and that you don’t [clears throat] bring reproach, uh, against yourself, ah, for not giving factual information. But anyway, you want to call me you can call me at, uh, ***-****. Thanks.


12. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 11:50 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn. This is, uh, Danny Shelton again. I’m headed off uh, uh, to Canada, but I wanted to give another message.

Someone since I just left my last message brought me a letter that you have written to people in the church, uh, somewhere that you thought Tommy may be going, and you say that he has molested 6, uh, boys, uh, in that church.

And, I think you really need to be careful about that, because you’re setting yourself up for, to be liable actually, because there has been no charges, and that there’s been, there has been no, been, there has been no, uh, charges formally made, there’s never been admitted to, there’s been nothing.

I’ve talked to an attorney about it, and what you really should say is there have been some accusations against him, or allegedly he has done this. But when you set yourself in writing as you did, uhm, I just think for your own sake you need to be careful about that.

Uh, because what you say is very powerful. People look to you as you know, uh, as a pastor. So that’s one of your complaints, uh, about uh Tommy.

So you want to make sure that your own, it seems to me, that you want to make sure that ch[] safe waters yourself, and that you’re very, very careful of what you say and not to get yourself, ah, in a position that ruins your credibility.

So I’m just saying this, I’m willing to talk to you about it some [] talk to me. Thanks. Bye.


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I have heard these recordings of Dan's threats.  Sad.





Edit note:  No, Bob did not include the little smilies in his court filing.  Those are a result of the forum software that automatically turns three question marks into the "huh?" smiley!!

[Bob Pickle]

I’ve put an attorney to see about the statute of limitations, and basically [clears throat] what happens if the statutes run out it does not go back [clears throat] any, any [clears throat] excuse me, any person that’s over 28 years of age, uh, cannot the statute of limitations run out. It will not go back. If the statutes of limitations, is what I want to tell you, has run out already, which it has in this case, you can’t go back.

Does it sound to you like Danny is nervous? is that why he was clearing his throat and got his words all scrambled?

It appears to me that Danny was having trouble figuring out how to talk about the statute of limitations regarding something he didn't want to admit happened. But he finally had to talk about it as if it had.

If the statutes of limitations, is what I want to tell you, has run out already, which it has in this case, you can’t go back.

But if the 10 years is already passed, in this case which it has, uh, then that statute left, the new bill does not affect that.

[Bob Pickle]

I’ve got this through an attorney who went through not only the state’s attorney that didn’t know but the, the uh appellate courts and all the way to the state level.

Why would Danny's attorney talk with a state's attorney that didn't know?

Are the state's attorney and the appellate courts not on the state level?

Who paid for this attorney? Did 3ABN pay for him? If so, who authorized this expenditure of 3ABN money for the personal, private legal expenses of an alleged pedophile?

Or did the attorney do it for free?

[Bob Pickle]

I need some help here.

Has Danny admitted above that Tommy molested boys? If so, is Tommy still an alleged pedophile, or is he a pedophile?

[Bob Pickle]

Stan,

Do you think the above messages Danny left on a non-Adventist church's answering machine are something appropriate for a leader of a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to leave?

I find such to be a total embarrassment.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Stan,

Do you think the above messages Danny left on a non-Adventist church's answering machine are something appropriate for a leader of a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to leave?

I find such to be a total embarrassment.

What do you mean by the statement "a total embarrassment" This is absolutely in keeping with the KING OF HYPOCRISY
and we all know about the DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS!!!

Gee, Bob, does that mean we are insubordinate??? Disloyal??? Treasonous??? Even Blasphemous against his un-holiness???
Why, no wonder the Kings appointed dislike us so much!!! Bring on the lions!!!

Oh, they already did that...apparently they were declawed and had no teeth!!! And that is what you get for a Million bucks??? Wonder if they can get a refund???

With utter disdain:

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Snoopy]

I’ve got this through an attorney who went through not only the state’s attorney that didn’t know but the, the uh appellate courts and all the way to the state level.

Why would Danny's attorney talk with a state's attorney that didn't know?

Are the state's attorney and the appellate courts not on the state level?

Who paid for this attorney? Did 3ABN pay for him? If so, who authorized this expenditure of 3ABN money for the personal, private legal expenses of an alleged pedophile?

Or did the attorney do it for free?

Yes, I was wondering that as well - who paid for that attorney??

BTW...thanks, Bob, for copying my post to this thread where I should have put it in the first place.

[Bob Pickle]

May 23, 2003, at 10:25 am

I want to talk to you a little bit about a letter that I found that, that didn’t have a signature but uh, anyway, they said you put it together.

And I wanted to talk to you about this bill that you’re saying been introduced that the governor’s going to sign. I’ve done homework on it. I’ve put an attorney to see about the statute of limitations, and basically [clears throat] ....

May 23, 2003, at 11:50 am

Someone since I just left my last message brought me a letter that you have written to people in the church, uh, somewhere that you thought Tommy may be going, and you say that he has molested 6, uh, boys, uh, in that church.

There was only one letter, not two.

Dryden's letter to Walt Thompson referred to Tommy molesting six boys.

Attached to that letter was the action items that referred to a bill and the statute of limitations.

Thus, we now have proof that Danny had the action items. Thus Danny knew Dryden was recommending that Tommy apologize to the church in Dunn Loring, where Tommy pastored from about 1995 to about 2000.

Thus Danny knew the allegations weren't all 30 years old, and thus he knew that when he told Walt Thompson otherwise he was lying.

Thus Danny knowingly put 3ABN and the Illinois Conference at extreme financial risk due to his willful cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.

Thus, Danny ought to be booted out the door!

[Bob Pickle]

Stan,

Do you think the above messages Danny left on a non-Adventist church's answering machine are something appropriate for a leader of a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to leave?

I find such to be a total embarrassment.

Besides hearing from Stan about his thoughts on this, I would also like to hear from anyman, SAM, and Ian.

Do any of you think the above messages Danny left on a non-Adventist church's answering machine are something appropriate for a leader of a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to leave?

[Pat Williams]

I recently heard a telephone message left for Pastor Glenn Dryden by Danny Shelton in 2003. Danny was referring to the letter that Dryden sent out saying that Tommy had molested as least 6 boys. Danny said twice that "in this case" the statute of limitations had run out.

That got me to thinking: What does he mean by "in this case"? Is he admitting that there was, in fact, an incident where Tommy broke the law? What "case" could he be talking about? It appears to have been something illegal, because he mentioned the statute of limitations.

Another question comes to mind: If the letter was about Tommy, why is Danny making the phone call? Hmmm...

I wonder if any light could be shed on this.

Maybe you can shed light on it.

I had the impression that he was speaking of you. You have admitted you had a innapropriate relationship with your Pastor at age 19 or 20, one which he, not you broke off, is that correct?

He was of course absolutely wrong, as he was your Pastor, and he was married and the relationship was homosexual in nature.

It is my understanding he tried to apologize to you and you said that he didn't need to, and that he had never hurt you, is this correct?

Do you still feel the same? If not, in regards to yourself, is there something he needs to still do or offer you to make restitution to you?

It is also my understanding that you are a youth Pastor in a baptist church, and it is your claim that the Pastor of the Church of God who made the accusations regarding sexual molestation of "boys" against Tommy Shelton made the same accusations against you and that you claimed you had to threaten him to get him to be quiet about that. At least that is Bob Pickle's claim in emails he attributes to you on his website. Is this true? Why would he accuse you like that?

In reading one of  Bob Pickle's latest court filing's from his website  he quotes from the Church of God board of trustee meeting held to discuss the allegations Glen Dryden has made concerning Tommy Shelton. The trustees are told in that meeting that they are to regard the allegations of sexual abuse of minors as "hearsay" until or if they receive statements from any so called victims. Are you aware of this?

Are you also aware that those same board minutes record that they were told by a Lawyer they retained that even if time has passed and the alleged victim is no longer a minor and the statute of limitations have run out, their county requires that allegations be reported to the Department of Social Services, yet nothing has ever been reported?

Are you aware that those same board minutes record that their Pastor and Glen Dryden reported that Danny Shelton in communications to them hinted that Glen Dryden refrain from posting further allegations of sexual misconduct against Tommy Shelton or the Shelton family (not 3ABN) would bring a suit for defamation of character?

Considering Glen Dryden's same accusations against yourself and your threats in return, can you in your heart really blame him for doing the same thing?

Your answers here would be helpful.